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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: Nature Boy]
#27078908 - 12/08/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE]
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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE] 1
#27078970 - 12/08/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Josh: ...he has hurt himself, and needs sutures, which I will be doing.
Neuroscientists don't typically suture patients.
Also, if you look up Josh Collard on social media websites, he seems to be currently enrolled in university and not yet graduated.
He seems quite young and his posts reflect that. I don't want to discredit his knowledge due to his age, but it seems that he has nowhere near enough experience to make the claims he's making.
It would seem to me that he's making stuff up based on the biased "evidence" that is fed to him, along with adding his own theories on the matter and believing their validity a priori.
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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: Socrateshroom]
#27078978 - 12/08/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE]
#27078984 - 12/08/20 04:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ask him to provide papers to back up up his claims. If he truly is a budding neuroscientist then it could be good for him and us to be truly informed.
If these studies aren't done were all guessing.
Just remember with his education leading up to this point there's more likehood of him holding the beliefs he has than not and in his mind he's trying to help you.
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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: pineninja]
#27078987 - 12/08/20 04:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE] 1
#27078994 - 12/08/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nature Boy said: Seriously...NO. It's a waste of your time and ours. It's as much his personal fantasy as Trump's belief he won the election. STOP giving him a platform..
okay i trust you, not sure what his angle is, might be an agenda of his, and also its suspect that this "new case" has come up during this interaction. very suspect.
He's an idiot, end of story.
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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: PrimalSoup]
#27078997 - 12/08/20 04:17 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: PrimalSoup]
#27079003 - 12/08/20 04:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nature Boy said: Seriously...NO. It's a waste of your time and ours. It's as much his personal fantasy as Trump's belief he won the election. STOP giving him a platform..
okay i trust you, not sure what his angle is, might be an agenda of his, and also its suspect that this "new case" has come up during this interaction. very suspect.
He's an idiot, end of story.
He's a young person, beginning of story.
Also potential future advocate.
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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: pineninja]
#27079074 - 12/08/20 05:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, I don't really agree anything he's saying, other than that I notice that there's definitely a subset of DMT smoker who smoke it everyday or every otherdau, which seems like too much. At the same time, I don't think we should start attacking this dude because he's anti-DMT.
At the most malicious end of the spectrum he could be intentionally ill-informed, but at the most benign he just made some assumptions.
No reason to be mad at the guy.
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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: jesusfish]
#27079086 - 12/08/20 05:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: pineninja] 1
#27079200 - 12/08/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nature Boy said: Seriously...NO. It's a waste of your time and ours. It's as much his personal fantasy as Trump's belief he won the election. STOP giving him a platform..
okay i trust you, not sure what his angle is, might be an agenda of his, and also its suspect that this "new case" has come up during this interaction. very suspect.
He's an idiot, end of story.
He's a young person, beginning of story.
Also potential future advocate.
He's an idiot now. What he might be in the future is anybody's guess, but "advocate" doesn't leap to mind.
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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: PrimalSoup]
#27079264 - 12/08/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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i blocked him on instagram, this guy gives me bad vibes man
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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE]
#27079296 - 12/08/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maybe the dude he refers to snorted or smoked said "powdered DMT". People do have falls and injure themselves if they aren't aware of what the risks are. A member on another forum lost a friend who smoked next to a river and fell in. This sort of stuff happens, though very rarely. Most people just lay on their couches or bed and the highest risk is falling on the floor. Or maybe he deliberately hurt himself in a derealistic state. Derealism has to be the highest risk with DMT compared to any psychedelic I know of.
People do lose their shit on DMT, it's just rare. Most people stop before said shit is fully lost.
Playing devil's advocate here.
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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE]
#27079303 - 12/08/20 07:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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doesn't sound like he's actually a neuroscientist, based on his comments. However I think basically any healthcare professional -or anyone not on this site- would probably support the idea that people who experience psychosis should not take psychedelics. The rest of it sounds like bullshit, but I actually believe that as well I'm afraid, its just not worth the risk recommending psychedelic use for mentally ill people. Sure its possible that there are real benefits, or cases where the risk is lower, but there isn't really good data on this and I wouldn't respect any professional encouraging people to use such powerful drugs without a great deal of caution.
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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: Ezuma]
#27079318 - 12/08/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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dishonest i feel scammy
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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE]
#27079330 - 12/08/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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can mods delete this thread, i want it gone now :\
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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE] 2
#27079787 - 12/09/20 12:56 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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SleepyE said: can mods delete this thread, i want it gone now :\
I don't think deleting it was necessary mate and I thought it was an interesting conversation/thread. I thought some of what he was saying was probably a bit overblown and ignorant but he was/is probably well-intentioned.
Didn't you tell him you had experienced psychosis in the past and have a family history of schizophrenia?
Psychedelics such as DMT can be risky within that context and he may have been trying to warn you specifically.
I do remember being rather concerned about your DMT use when you used to post here Sleepy a few years back, especially as you seemed to have a history of drug induced (with family history) psychosis, and a tendency to romanticize schizophrenia itself.
He probably also does have a lot of experience with a certain kind of drug users with simlar histories or predispositions getting into real trouble using psychedelics like DMT. I would not bet against it!
And to be fair, I would warn my own kid against using DMT or psychedelics. That doesn't make me an idiot worthy of contempt or demonizing, I don't think, as to my mind it's just me being responsible! He probably feels similarly towards wider society in general.
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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: wolf8312]
#27079796 - 12/09/20 01:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Doctors always see the casualties as well, not the other 99% who had beneficial or negligible effects. Simple perception bias, they too are human.
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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: Northerner]
#27079875 - 12/09/20 03:48 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dont know, who knows what goes on with me. I see my past as learning experiences and trying to figure myself out, all I can say is my experiences have made me wiser, even for me I never lost my skepticism. I basically envisioned a way the world works and wanted to test it to see if it was true or false and when I came to the conclusion that my suspicions were false I changed my mind. It's easy to get carried away with a new perspective. Bottom line the dude seemed like a bullshiter to me
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