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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #27076260 - 12/06/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I get a lot of weird looks/scoldings when I explain to people that I would never use pharmaceuticals to treat potential anxiety/depression/OCD. Any drug that builds a dependency that is hard to break seems like a drag to me. Cannabis for relaxation and LSD for working my way out of a rut has done so much for me and can both be quit with zero consequences at any time.

That isn't to say that nobody can benefit from SSRIs + whatnot, but I haven't seen very promising results in friends and family.


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #27076271 - 12/06/20 10:31 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #27076343 - 12/06/20 11:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I went to a psychiatrist once, the first thing he wanted to do was get me eating SSRIs and get me off psychedelics. After 3 sessions of me refusing to take the "medicine" the "doctor" refused to see me anymore. Apparently having a massive workload and care load isn't pertinent, that a person wants to learn better coping skills in an ever increasingly complex world isn't a valid reason for seeing a health care professional. It's just that you take the fucking pills. Modern psychiatry is a sham.



yeah definitely seems impractical for a lot of situation.
I never realized the big ego problem in medicine. I wonder how much progress is stalled because everyone has their head up their ass and un-willing to move away from dogma, just muddies up the textbooks.




to a degree I get it, I mean doctors deal with ill-informed people who think they know best all time, like crystal people and herbal-healing types who proclaim that things like homeopathic medicine cured them. At the same time they're just people too, and when dealing with anything outside of their experience or training, their opinion isn't necessarily that meaningful.

A less interesting area, but as someone with Celiac disease I've seen a range of different approaches from doctors depending on how much they knew. Some GPS in particular have a very outdated understanding, whereas others are more proactive, while the actual gastroenterologists I've talked to were great and very knowledgeable.

When it comes to drug use -and specifically use of illegal and illicitly obtained substances used by the ostensibly mentally ill for the treatment of their illness, I can understand why many experts would be alarmed. Even if dmt use is beneficial and completely harmless to one individual, I don't think we can expect medical professionals to jump to its defense when they are by definition the mainstream, and dmt is pretty much by definition counter-culture. That doesn't mean they're necessarily 100% wrong, or that we -the drug users- are right, but its worth keeping in mind.


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE] * 3
    #27076353 - 12/06/20 11:51 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like the person making these huge claims needs to try some DMT :sunny:.


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 1
    #27076729 - 12/07/20 08:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Josh is a juvenile neuroscientist :shrug:

give him time, but ignore him for now.


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27076730 - 12/07/20 08:27 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE] * 2
    #27076857 - 12/07/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Just sounds like DMT scares the shit out of him and he finds ways to demonize it.

Yes it can be dangerous, that's obvious. But that also doesn't mean it shouldn't be studied, as it's been used for thousands of years and is key to our very own evolution.. :lol:

"It puts its users in what I can describe as a psychic illusion, making them believe they have ascended to a higher, more elevated level of consciousness on the drug, and that they are now psychically on par with a celestial deity such as God. However, this illusion dissipates, leading to reinforcement and dosing to uphold the new reality they believe they now have accessed, when they actually are in THE EXACT SAME reality they were in before, just with "goggles" on their eyes."

Not sure what he's trying to say here, the psychedelic state is a form of psychosis, but instead, rather an alternate form of reality, that doesn't mean it's a false reality. The state he is describing is people under the influence which is completely natural. The feelings associated with cathartic experiences are God like. Just sounds like a Naive dude.


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: Eclipse3130] * 1
    #27076863 - 12/07/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Lol it literally is endogenous, though in small quantities and doesn't do much in day to day activity but might be released in massive quantities upon death

Also I agree as well. Stoned ape hypothesis. Legalizing and mainstream acceptance of psychedelics will advance humanity

Besides the universe created us, either accidentally or deliberately somehow, but it made us bags of universe particles attached to the universe, given sentience and the ability to self reflect and also observe the very universe we are a part of. It's the universe observing itself through flesh sacks lol

Plus examining and studying psychedelics and altered stated in general will allow scientists to fully understand the human brain and might actually help us understand more intimately, the human condition. And perhaps we can end war...etc etc

For real this time


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #27076878 - 12/07/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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haha 2 years ago or so i was smoking like ~20mg on acid and the trip would usually get spooky and dark, like some sort of dark tribal feel, certainly dont have the balls to do it on my current 1p-lsd trips, :lol:


i found this combination rather interesting.  I was on 250 mics of some amazing gel tabs. Amazing visuals an trails i was jamming out to pink floyd dark side of the moon.

an the clouds formed a big rocket ship flying in the sky an the sun was peeking threw an  was the flames shooting out the back really cool.

Well i ended up taking 2 pulls from my DMT cart an wow she really kicked in to fifth gear it felt like the DMT lasted much longer to at least 25 mins. I felt like i was floating an my acid visuals had almost like an white light at any thing i looked at like the trees looked like they had 1000 LED lights  emitting light from the branches.

But i can see how DMT can easily be abused especially if you got a DMT cart you just press that button an off the the races. I personally dont feel any side-effects from my use but it definitely deserves its respect. I basically share my cart with people every one really enjoys it an they never done any thing before.  I guess im just good at giving a crash course lesson on what you may expect.


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #27076880 - 12/07/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #27077107 - 12/07/20 12:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

"celestial deity"  :okthatsfunny:


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: PrimalSoup] * 1
    #27077159 - 12/07/20 01:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The power of drug lays in it's active dose. I've never used DMT as a pure drug, but this applies to all drugs in common. I had 1 year in my life I've trippped once or twice every week on shrooms for a full year. No side effects at all, only good insights and helped me through severe depressions time. A trip does not mean happy feeling per-se, but sometimes YEAH it's all worth it! Keep in mind alcohol and marihuana (when smoked or vaped) are more damaging to the body. Hallucinating drugs are some kind of unpredictable and should be taken with precaution.

Most (good) drug work because it 'attaches' to the same pockets as the serotonine ion receptor(s). So how is it to destroy serotonine (or its receptors). Alcohol is different because it releases the human serotonine, making its buffer depleted (i/e feeling bad afterwards and needs recovery) It is simply taking its place (with more strength, so the human filter for unconsciousness is working less effective or not at all)

I don't underestimate the power of it.
During 1 heavy trip I've made the decision to not (let?) reprogram my brain. I refused, but even up to today I still question this decision


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: MushRock]
    #27077576 - 12/07/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't underestimate the power of it.
During 1 heavy trip I've made the decision to not (let?) reprogram my brain. I refused, but even up to today I still question this decision




Interesting.  It was with high dose mushroom trips that I started doing that very thing.  It can be disturbing at first but the results are profound.  I recall onetime voluntarily shutting off major consciousness while "loading" a new version of brainware...


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #27078007 - 12/07/20 11:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Josh is a juvenile neuroscientist :shrug:

give him time, but ignore him for now.




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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27078858 - 12/08/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE] * 2
    #27078895 - 12/08/20 02:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

That's ridiculous.  DMT is not orally active without an MAOI.  This "neuroscientist" guy is off his rocker.  And neuroscientists don't see patients, nor are they called as consultants.  I call 100% total BULLSHIT.

I suggest you stop wasting your time "conversing" with this asshole, and further, stop repeating his absurd theories of injury from DMT.  Every bit of it has been a crock of shit and this last bit of "conversation" is the proof.


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: Nature Boy]
    #27078898 - 12/08/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE]
    #27078902 - 12/08/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Seriously...NO.  It's a waste of your time and ours.  It's as much his personal fantasy as Trump's belief he won the election.  STOP giving him a platform for nonsensical disinformation and "alternative facts."


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: Nature Boy]
    #27078903 - 12/08/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE]
    #27078907 - 12/08/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

OK...then I'm cutting out of this thread.  Sorry dude.  Not worth my time reviewing sloppy fantastical beliefs.


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