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    #27075208 - 12/06/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE] * 4
    #27075332 - 12/06/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I've never heard of DMT destroying 5-HT(X) receptors in the brain. One would think that DMT use would cause depression as a side effect if that was so, but that's not really what we see.

It is powerful stuff though and unless you are prepared mentally, and of the right mind type, it's  certainly dangerous. I share mushrooms and acid without hesitation, but there's only a select few who I share DMT with. Even sometimes those people have not heeded my warnings on something I've made and given them, had their asses handed to them, metaphorically speaking.

With a person who has a poor low level reality check a single high dose of DMT could leave them spinning for months. How to establish how well a person is grounded truly though? I can understand that no doctor would want to risk that sort of fallout in a research program. Maybe when the brain is understood better. Until then I'd have to agree with Dr Collard, far too dangerous for general use.


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: Northerner]
    #27075342 - 12/06/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE] * 5
    #27075406 - 12/06/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

This guy is talking out of his ass. Me personally, i noticed no negatives from daily/near daily dosing of oral DMT for 4 years straight. Cannabis caused me more of an issue than Aya ever did. And just based on my common sense and in my experience and what i know about DMT, this guy is totally wrong about DMT.


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: Sabnock]
    #27075415 - 12/06/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #27075429 - 12/06/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

All i know is, the most i get on oral DMT is amplification of things, sometimes in a more negative way like noises become enhanced and can get me on edge or i can get some paranoia, but as far as my mind and headspace goes, totally clear, sober-like, never mind bending, i wouldn't say i've ever "hallucinated", i just enter into different states of consciousness, nothing delusional, nothing illusory, i mean people can say these states we enter where we have these realizations and understandings and gnosis is some sort of delusion/illusion, but imo, only someone who hasn't been there would say that. Not to say that someone else wouldn't fall into some sort of delusion/illusion, just that i haven't. As for the synchronicities and some other magickal things that occur, i just find it interesting and funny and i entertain it, but i don't ever attribute more to it than it being an interesting phenomena. Similar to how anytime i'm on mushrooms my computer or electronics start glitching out, yet that never happens on other Entheogens for me. Or, how about the time i had the precognitive vision about my dad's death 2 weeks before he died and everything i saw in the vision i also saw in reality when it happened? That delusion too? Lol. No one can convince me that what all i've experienced is false, i'm the judge of my own experiences and i'm sane and sober and aware and intelligent enough to decide for myself and come to my own conclusions, i'm not out to convince anyone, i know it's real, if someone out there doesn't understand then they simply haven't been there themselves imo. It's good to be skeptical and discerning, but also open and receptive, put things to the test, see what sticks, that's my motto.


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: Sabnock] * 1
    #27075433 - 12/06/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #27075454 - 12/06/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Now I'm not a professional and I haven't done DMT, so my opinion is pretty low-import, but most of what he said sounds reasonable from a scientists perspective. DMT destroying 5-HT(X) receptors in the brain is something I hadn't heard before, but his claim that DMT is too dangerous for study seems bold considering it has been used in studies... to my knowledge without causing massive lasting damage.

I think he may be right that you personally should avoid use, I know it's not a popular opinion on the shroomery but I actually think psychosis prone individuals probably should avoid psychedelics. Maybe they work out for some of them, and I understand the urge to counter drug-war propaganda, but I don't believe exposure to psychedelics is inherently positive or useful.

The way I see it (as a complete layman who has tripped on LSD and mushrooms but never studied them, and also as someone who has never experienced psychosis) they can be tools, but they won't benefit everyone and they can actively harm some if used incorrectly. I think there is a lot of 'faith' in the positive or truthful power of these substances and some of that faith can be misplaced. 

That said, from what I understand, many healthy people do DMT without negative consequences -I've known many people who used it repeatedly without ever experiencing psychosis or delusions, most of them didn't interpret the experience as meeting with entities either, but more as abstract sensory experiences.

Psychosis is no joke though, and the thing is if you are prone to psychosis psychedelic use can be very dangerous (a friend of mine nearly drowned on LSD during a psychotic fit, and he was only ok because he tripped with myself and another friend, and we were not divorced from reality in the way he was). Not to say you don't know yourself either, but psychotic people aren't the best judge of whether they are being rational, and I've certainly encountered many delusional psychedelic users who were basically committing self harm thinking they were on a spiritual journey.


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE]
    #27075465 - 12/06/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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i definitely get where you are coming from, i dont care if its magical or not, i am just interested in mapping out the visionary territory.
He seems to think i can do this work without consuming DMT but in order to map out the visionary elements and form constants i need to umm... see it.




if you don't have adverse effects, and you feel it is benefiting you, then probably its fine to use DMT. I would say that periods of abstinence -preferably from all psychedelics- are probably a good idea though just to 'check in' and see how you really feel about it all, as I know I've personally been obsessed with psychedelics for long stretches where I essentially tripped habitually, and got very little out of it.

I don't deny that there is a lot to be gained from psychedelic use either, I would just caution that in this community its common to see the substances themselves treated as infallible deities that know what's best for everyone. I haven't found that to be the case, but I also haven't done DMT yet so we'll see ha


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: Ezuma]
    #27075468 - 12/06/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE]
    #27075472 - 12/06/20 03:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: Ezuma] * 2
    #27075479 - 12/06/20 03:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

DMT saved my life, but I would have a hard time recommending it to anyone for any reason.
I'm not sure if this guy is right, especially since he's saying a lot of stuff that I have never heard anyone else say before, but I would suggest he's right in general discouragement. At the very least it's powerful enough that I would never want the responsibility of somebody going and taking it by my advice.
When people in other settings talk about it I usually say "I couldn't recommend it to be honest."

Especially if you are prone to psychosis it's probably a good idea not to take any subtance lightly, even a lot of over the counter stuff.


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #27075501 - 12/06/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think you have a good low level reality check though. Having first hand experience with the states you can get into means you have better coping abilities. As a long term user you've no doubt seen the states people can get themselves into. It's not something you can be talked out of either, you just have to snap/work out of it yourself. I don't think there's a four part lecture people can attend that will give them that knowledge, well certainly not the skill to apply it in real time.

Imagine as a researcher dealing with potentially negative reintegration periods that could last a year or more, sounds like a monumental cluster fuck.

But just say, for example, that you do manage to get 20 experienced and self grounding DMT users together for any sort of study, what good would the data be anyway? There might be some neuroscience there to be looked at but medical application would be extremely limited.


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: JonBa]
    #27075504 - 12/06/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: Northerner] * 1
    #27075510 - 12/06/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE]
    #27075514 - 12/06/20 03:27 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #27075535 - 12/06/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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i make sure im safe now. i lost a lot of my balls of steel i had in my honey moon psychonaut phase,

i dose lsd type compounds lately because its generally much weaker than 4-acodmt or dmt experience wise



Yeah me too, LSD all the way. Funny enough once I'm in that place is when I get the idea and start smoking changa and munching shrooms.  :lol:


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: SleepyE] * 1
    #27075538 - 12/06/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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i definitely get where you are coming from, i dont care if its magical or not, i am just interested in mapping out the visionary territory.

He seems to think i can do this work without consuming DMT but in order to map out the visionary elements and form constants i need to umm... see it.




I agree. Whether it's magickal or not, it still exists, it's still there, we can still map it, maybe even understand it. As i like to say, knowing how something works doesn't make it any less magickal imo. As Terence said, “Matter is not lacking in magic, matter is magic.". Just because something may be explained or known, doesn't mean it's any less magickal. It's amazing that life as it is, Humans and other life forms, Nature, our planet, space, everything we know is magick whether we figure it out or not.

And definitely, we need to see it, we need to experience it, we need to learn about and from it, we need to map it, we need to understand it. There may always be something we can't see or know or understand or figure out, but compared to what little we know, there's so much more that we can know imo.


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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: Northerner]
    #27075542 - 12/06/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Neuroscientist said DMT is too dangerous to use or study [Re: Sabnock] * 2
    #27075548 - 12/06/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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