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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated]
    #27074941 - 12/06/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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you fall back into the notion that they are somehow a force for good when they really do just sell out the country just as bad...

the social tension is terrible tho




I didn't see anyone imply they are a force for good, the best I've read so far -and my own opinion- is they're the less terrible terrible option, and as one of the two has to win each time you might as well pick the 'better' option


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27074942 - 12/06/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Can you explain why living in a solidly blue state led you to change your vote from the Green party to Donald Trump, after nearly two decades of voting for the former?




Because voting for the Green Party wouldn't have given the Green Party a win.  Voting for the Republican party might hopefully send a message to Democrats that some people don't like establishment (military industrial complex) politics.



Hasn't the Green Party always been a long-shot third party? Why did the condition 'if the Green Party won't win, then I'll change my vote' only take effect in 2020?

Wouldn't continuing to vote for the Green Party have been an effective message, to both Democrats and Republicans, that some people don't like establishment politics - while also supporting the Green Party?


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Ezuma]
    #27074944 - 12/06/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

and we vote for them?

all is hopeless


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated]
    #27074948 - 12/06/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

its more of fuck u to dems cause green party is left wing and the left is demanded to fall in line with dem status quo


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated]
    #27074970 - 12/06/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Cutting off the nose to spite the face


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27074973 - 12/06/20 10:24 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

why its all rigged pelosi is crook


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27075013 - 12/06/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Can you explain why living in a solidly blue state led you to change your vote from the Green party to Donald Trump, after nearly two decades of voting for the former?

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Yes, you're absolutely correct.  I've abandoned the Democratic party for the Green party nearly 20 years ago.






He makes his decisions based on how other people think.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 2
    #27075049 - 12/06/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
Can you explain why living in a solidly blue state led you to change your vote from the Green party to Donald Trump, after nearly two decades of voting for the former?




Because voting for the Green Party wouldn't have given the Green Party a win.  Voting for the Republican party might hopefully send a message to Democrats that some people don't like establishment (military industrial complex) politics.



Hasn't the Green Party always been a long-shot third party? Why did the condition 'if the Green Party won't win, then I'll change my vote' only take effect in 2020?

Wouldn't continuing to vote for the Green Party have been an effective message, to both Democrats and Republicans, that some people don't like establishment politics - while also supporting the Green Party?




It's the reason why I voted for the Green Party.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Kwyjibo]
    #27075072 - 12/06/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Voting for the Republican party might hopefully send a message to Democrats that some people don't like establishment (military industrial complex) politics.



So, voting for the establishment is how you send a message that you're against the establishment?



People have different definitions of 'establishment'.  As I noted in parentheses above, I believe the establishment is the wealthy elite who support the military industrial complex, which is why I don't think Trump is part of the establishment, and which is why I think the establishment media are against him.  Biden, on the other hand, is clearly a war hawk.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27075078 - 12/06/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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He makes his decisions based on how other people think.





like all the cable media pundits...


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27075088 - 12/06/20 11:18 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Because voting for the Green Party wouldn't have given the Green Party a win.  Voting for the Republican party might hopefully send a message to Democrats that some people don't like establishment (military industrial complex) politics.



Hasn't the Green Party always been a long-shot third party? Why did the condition 'if the Green Party won't win, then I'll change my vote' only take effect in 2020?

Wouldn't continuing to vote for the Green Party have been an effective message, to both Democrats and Republicans, that some people don't like establishment politics - while also supporting the Green Party?



You make a fair point.  But to me, Trump was the first anti-military industrial complex President we've had, and I like that about him.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated] * 2
    #27075123 - 12/06/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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and we vote for them?

all is hopeless



maybe, but personally I don't think voting is as powerful as propaganda insists. We're made to believe voting is basically the sum of our political duty to our country, personally I think voting is a very minor act that is often preferable to not voting, but in a 2 party system where both parties represent more or less the same interests, you can't really influence politics with your vote. Other actions -especially at a local level- have way more impact, but the more impactful a political act the more taxing it is. Real positive change often comes from labor movements and community organizing, I think we're so jaded by voting because we've come to place too much importance on what is a mostly trivial act.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27075152 - 12/06/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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You make a fair point.  But to me, Trump was the first anti-military industrial complex President we've had, and I like that about him.



Can you provide some specific examples of anti-MIC actions undertaken by Trump?


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Ezuma] * 3
    #27075154 - 12/06/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Trump increased military spending, has conducted record breaking arms deals with
foreign nations, assassinated foreign military officials, wanted a military parade
to uphold the appearance of a strong MIC to foreign nations, etc.

These hardly seem like the actions of an anti war president. We're lucky the
assassination of soleimani didnt lead to an all out war on its own.

Seems like you are going off trumps one comment about generals wanting war so
manufacturers can stay happy as a sign that trump is anti war. It's not.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: natedawgnow]
    #27075158 - 12/06/20 11:54 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

its the most powerful tool we used to have against robber barons, voting


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: natedawgnow]
    #27075166 - 12/06/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

but when they use shadow money to control the primaries, were kinda fucced


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated] * 1
    #27075171 - 12/06/20 12:02 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Trump increased military spending, has conducted record breaking arms deals with
foreign nations, assassinated foreign military officials, wanted a military parade
to uphold the appearance of a strong MIC to foreign nations, etc.

These hardly seem like the actions of an anti war president. We're lucky the
assassination of soleimani didnt lead to an all out war on its own.

Seems like you are going off trumps one comment about generals wanting war so
manufacturers can stay happy as a sign that trump is anti war. It's not.




replied to wrong post I think?


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its the most powerful tool we used to have against robber barons, voting




sadly no, voting isn't our most powerful tool to resist. Both parties are robber barons, to use your term, and one of the two will win each election whether or not you chose to vote. Even if you organize a mass anti-voting movement, it won't matter, as one of those two will end up victorious whether its with 70 000 000 votes or 7


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated]
    #27075177 - 12/06/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

No i dont. I know theyre just as crooked as repubs. Theyve got their differences for sure. Trump is in his own league of stupid/vile.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] * 1
    #27075182 - 12/06/20 12:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

why?

cause he joked about raping instead of the current elect who was accused of raping his aide?


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated] * 4
    #27075189 - 12/06/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Hes been accused of plenty of sexual assaults/rapes. Dont be a hypocrite. Trump is a vile human being. I'm not going to go through it all so you can gaslight me on every little horrible thing hes done. The fringe right had their fun for four years now they can go fuck themselves lol.


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