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shadyshroomie's First Grow Log
    #27074661 - 12/06/20 06:28 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Using PF Tek I fruited 30+ cakes in a SGFC as my initiation into this hobby

Grow was from MSS of GT, GM, and Leucistic GT
Here are some pics from the first flush of that grow which is still fruiting (replaced some cakes with new ones)




Moving on to bulk



Yesterday I inoculated 24 more spawn bags:

4 bags each with 2-3cc each:
Blue Meanie (BM)
Huautla (HUA)
Mazatapec (MZT)
Hillbilly (HB)
Wollongong (WNG)
Jedi Mind Fuck (JMF)



Also have 3 more MSS waiting to be used:
Ecuador (ECU)
Puerto Rican (PR)
Ajax (AJX)

Also was gifted 2 bonus PE6 swabs I will save as well


Edit: removed some content to clean up thread and focus on current bulk grow



Spawn Bag 1 TAS from MSS (later spawned 1/11/21)




Spawn Bag 2 TAS from MSS (later spawned 1/11/21)





My original plan was to build a Martha style FC in my walk-in closet (6'x6')...... until



I was high as shit the other night staring into my closet and had a somewhat divine calling to do monotubs instead
I felt as though the mushrooms gods were telling me....
listen to your fellow mycoKings on the shroomery and do monotubs instead






Thinking about doing a bunch of monotubs just seems boring to me


Edit: I'm doing monotubs lol





That is all for now

Peace & Love





UPDATE 1/16/21


Came back from rehab (ironic right?) and 18/24 bags showed growth (the MAZ showed no growth... bummed because I was excited about those but I still have some spores to try out on agar)

The JMF and BM showed the most, with the WNG showing the least. Mixed all the bags on 1/10

From these, two ended up getting green mold

Also spawned 2 bags of Tas on 1/11 in two different-sized shoeboxes. One with about 1:1 ratio and one with 1:4 ratio.

I have entirely ditched a greenhouse/Martha style fruiting chamber (shocker right?)

I will be fruiting shoeboxes in large monotubs and dubtub ones that are towards the end of their fruiting stage (just to pop out the last few shrooms) or if I need more space and have more tubs than can fit



Here are some pics. Uploading never could get some of the pics oriented correctly, so sorry for tweaking your neck :wink:





Edit: not sure why the 2nd and 3rd pic are saying deleted... whatever haha



I bought a 106 qt tub to create a monotub style fruiting environment. They fit 4 6qt shoeboxes quite nicely. I plan to place 3 holes on each long side at the bottom stuffed with polyfill, and one up top on each short side. Similar to this: Monotub Fruiting

The 106 qt tubs fit perfectly in my storage racks



UPDATE 1/18/21

Spawned 2 of the JMF spawn bags

I experimented with soaking one for 10 min and not the other
(Update: spawn run so far seems like similar length of time... however as of 1/31/21 I notice more hyphal knots in the tub that has the soaked grains)

Both are a 1:2.5 ratio spawned in 6qt shoebox


Pics: No matter what I do my pics upload sideways

The first two trays both of Tas were spawned 1/11 one at a 1:1 ratio and the other 1:4 about






Update 1/26/21

TAS small tray (1:1)




BM (1:1) both 2 quarts spawn per box and spawned 1/19 so a week... not too shabby



I cannot get images to upload the right way for the life of me so fuck it



I also harvested a first flush from the 3 TAS cakes I had going

cake 1: 36.71 wet
cake 2: 63.76 wet
cake 3: 27.65 wet



1/31/21 Update

1:1 TAS tray spawned 1/11 started pinning around 1/25




1:4 TAS tray spawned 1/11 started pinning 1/29





UPDATE 2/1 (taken from another post I made)


2 BM Shoeboxes both Spawned 1/19 with 2qt @ 1:1 placed in monotub 1/26

Tub A



Tub B




2 JMF Shoeboxes spawned 1/18 with 1 quart @ around 1:2.5 put into fruiting (dubtub) 1/31

Tub A



Tub B



TAS Tray spawned 1/11 with 1quart @ 1:4 put into monotub 1/25


You can see some side pinning forming

TAS Tray spawned 1/11 1 quart @ 1:1 put into monotub 1/24


I did not post pics but there are tons of bottom pins as well

WNG spawned 1/19 1qt 1:1

I took a picture of the bottom of the substrate to show knotting down there (I believe)
Most of my shoeboxes have those knotting balls/beads on all sides and the bottom, is this normal?
Or does it reveal less than ideal surface conditions?



HAUT Spawned 1/25 1qt 1:1



JMF Spawned 1/25 2qt 1:1.5




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Re: shadyshroomie's First Bulk Tek Grow Log [Re: shadyshroomie]
    #27077458 - 12/07/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Let me know how the JMF turns out. I inculcated one 3lb bag with JMF and another with aa+. The JMF had obvious contams after a week and half. Aa+ is just about done and looking great. I’m interested in the JMF


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Re: shadyshroomie's First Bulk Tek Grow Log [Re: Exstortion]
    #27077851 - 12/07/20 09:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Let me know how the JMF turns out. I inculcated one 3lb bag with JMF and another with aa+. The JMF had obvious contams after a week and half. Aa+ is just about done and looking great. I’m interested in the JMF




Most definitely.

I finished inoculating the 24 spawn bags. I kinda fucking hate syringes.

I had several get clogged, or I just do not know how the fuck to use them. I got to the point where I could not push the syringe down AT ALL

I ended up fucking with the syringes so much, outside the bag, inside the bag, etc.

I would not be surprised if only like 10 bags get through colonization. This is making me second guess doing an LC...

I planned on doing a flow hood for agar work anyways, so perhaps I can just build a larger one than intended to have enough space for G2G and the height of the bags I would use

Edit 12/7: As edited in OP... decided to get a pressure cooker and make own spawn bags, and will probably do Agar>Grain and G2G


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Re: shadyshroomie's First Bulk Tek Grow Log [Re: shadyshroomie]
    #27077893 - 12/07/20 09:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Noticed this yellow shit in one of my jars. This is from the modified SuperCake formula SuperCake with only the yeast, pollen, flax, and coconut flakes

Is this just metabolites/tinted water from bee pollen/yeast or cause for concern?



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Re: shadyshroomie's First Bulk Tek Grow Log [Re: shadyshroomie]
    #27077900 - 12/07/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

looks like possible mycellium piss aka metabolites. sometimes this can be a sign of possible contamination, but it's not always sometimes it occurs when a substrate is over saturated. i say keep going but isolate to be safe.


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Re: shadyshroomie's First Bulk Tek Grow Log [Re: kanemush]
    #27077913 - 12/07/20 10:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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looks like possible mycellium piss aka metabolites. sometimes this can be a sign of possible contamination, but it's not always sometimes it occurs when a substrate is over saturated. i say keep going but isolate to be safe.




Dope. Yeah I think there is too much moisture in the jars. I noticed that with the last cakes too. The verm I used is much finer than usual I believe, and I found to get it to field capacity took a lot more water than the 2:1:1 it was probably like 2:1:1.3 or 1.4. I do not see myself doing BRF cakes so fuck em... haha


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Re: shadyshroomie's First Bulk Tek Grow Log [Re: shadyshroomie]
    #27077925 - 12/07/20 10:11 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Here are some close-ups taken today







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Re: shadyshroomie's First Bulk Tek Grow Log [Re: shadyshroomie]
    #27078225 - 12/08/20 05:52 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think your jars are ok. If it’s a contam it will spread like crazy quick so just keep a eye on them. Do you make your bags or do you order them from a vendor? I’m trying to find a vendor that is not too expensive. I just ordered yesterday JMF LC, white teacher LC, and B+ LC. So, I gotta order some bags and jars ASAP. I never used LC. I still have a JMF ms syringe but ordered the LC because I read it takes 10-14 days.
    You are using LC. How long is it taking for your bags to colonize?


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Re: shadyshroomie's First Bulk Tek Grow Log [Re: Exstortion]
    #27078396 - 12/08/20 08:50 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I think your jars are ok. If it’s a contam it will spread like crazy quick so just keep a eye on them. Do you make your bags or do you order them from a vendor? I’m trying to find a vendor that is not too expensive. I just ordered yesterday JMF LC, white teacher LC, and B+ LC. So, I gotta order some bags and jars ASAP. I never used LC. I still have a JMF ms syringe but ordered the LC because I read it takes 10-14 days.
    You are using LC. How long is it taking for your bags to colonize?




I am not using LC yet. Not sure if I will end up or not. I order from a vendor, but I am going to start making my own and save money to spend on other shit haha. Will likely always buy vendor substrate.


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Re: shadyshroomie's First Bulk Tek Grow Log [Re: shadyshroomie]
    #27078466 - 12/08/20 09:31 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I was buying vendor substrate along with my bags and jars. My problem was I didn’t have freezer space to store them so I don’t wanna chance using it. I looked up the bucket tek. Coco coir and vermiculite. I have vermiculite and coir is mad cheap $8 for 3 bricks at petco. The bucket tek seems very easy and simple. So I gonna make this substrate 2 days before I mix it with my spawn.


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Re: shadyshroomie's First Bulk Tek Grow Log [Re: Exstortion]
    #27079049 - 12/08/20 04:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I am going to re-write a post I had made with an idea for a new TEK? It is essentially a Martha style monotub?

The basic idea is to use a 5 tier plastic storage shelving unit to create stacked monotubs to fruit shoeboxes/trays in
Cover the sides of shelving in woven greenhouse covering




Cut holes along the bottom of the long sides, and top of the short sides
Stuff with polyfill
Run a fan in the closet with the shelving unit and a humidifier to keep humidity up
Figure out a method to open up one side of the greenhouse covering such as lining with resealable velcro plastic tape
This would allow easy access to trays/shoeboxes
Each level to the shelving unit would essentially function as a monotub

If RH is an issue, you could use plastic baseboard to create a pan at each level, then put damp perlite in this pan
If the venting of the shelves is too large, you could easily get a mesh cover to hold perlite
If doing this, then the hole chamber would have airflow through it
I do not see why this would not work


Why not use monotubs? Because for less than $40-50 you can get basically 4 monotubs that serve as constant fruiting environments
You do not have to have a ton of space taken up by tubs in colonization
You simply have your trays/shoeboxes colonizing and dedicated fruiting chambers made with the shelving unit

If this does not make sense I can creat a drawing to illustrate it. But essentially it is a Martha style type tent that uses monotub principles to create a FC for trays/shoeboxes

It saves space compared to monotubs, and allows you to cycle in an out trays of the pseudo monotub if needed
With a large monotub if your grow gets fucked its all fucked. One showbox getting fucked is not the end of the world


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Re: shadyshroomie's First Bulk Tek Grow Log [Re: Exstortion]
    #27079052 - 12/08/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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I was buying vendor substrate along with my bags and jars. My problem was I didn’t have freezer space to store them so I don’t wanna chance using it. I looked up the bucket tek. Coco coir and vermiculite. I have vermiculite and coir is mad cheap $8 for 3 bricks at petco. The bucket tek seems very easy and simple. So I gonna make this substrate 2 days before I mix it with my spawn.




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Re: shadyshroomie's First Bulk Tek Grow Log [Re: shadyshroomie]
    #27079089 - 12/08/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It worked. I bought 20lbs and only used 5lbs. It’s been in my closet sealed for 3 months now. So a waste of money but I guess that is a noob mistake ordering substrate along with bag or jars you are going to inculcate if you don’t have freezer space. I use HDS. It’s a acronym. I don’t wanna get kicked off for promoting vendors that aren’t sponsoring shroomery. Anyway I’m gonna throw away the other 15lbs.


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Re: shadyshroomie's First Bulk Tek Grow Log [Re: Exstortion]
    #27142080 - 01/11/21 01:52 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

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Let me know how the JMF turns out. I inculcated one 3lb bag with JMF and another with aa+. The JMF had obvious contams after a week and half. Aa+ is just about done and looking great. I’m interested in the JMF




I have been away for a month and came back to my 24 bags. The MAZ did not show any growth, all others showed growth. The WNG showed the least growth, and the BM and JMF showed the most growth. The JMF being the best. I mixed all the bags and will update as I go.

I had two bags of Taz already colonized before I left. I threw them in the fridge while I was gone. They have been out now for a day and I might spawn them today. I have 40 lbs Hpoo substrate pre-pasteurized and 5 lbs casing.

Still deciding how I will spawn them to bulk but I am thinking shoeboxes for these first two bags. Then maybe some monotubs for the others. Gonna try different TEKs to see what I like best.

In total, I have 4 JMF, 6 WNG, 4 BM, 3 Haut, and 1 unknown... I believe it is Haut I didn't label it.


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Re: shadyshroomie's First Bulk Tek Grow Log [Re: shadyshroomie]
    #27142100 - 01/11/21 02:00 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

Do bods unmodified tub tek. I modified my shoeboxes before and now that I followed bods tek my flushes are way better



This is way better compared to my last grow. Just keep it simple.


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Re: shadyshroomie's First Bulk Tek Grow Log [Re: Exstortion]
    #27142143 - 01/11/21 02:22 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

Dope I will. For fruiting have you been using a grocery bag?

Also, how long should I leave out spawn bag that has been refrigerated before spawning to bulk?


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Re: shadyshroomie's First Bulk Tek Grow Log [Re: shadyshroomie]
    #27142183 - 01/11/21 02:50 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

I don’t use a grocery bag. I mixed up the spawn with the substrate then added about qt inch of substrate across the top. Put the lid on. Then after 10-14 days put the lid on top but upside down for fruiting.

    I had jars from a vendor I put in the fridge for about 3 months. I took all 7 jars out the fridge the night before. Inoculated them. None had contamination. Spawned all of them. Lol the projects I don’t think are gonna work are seeming to be the best results and when I’m too cautious I get contams 🤦‍♂️.
Anyway the night before you plan on inoculating them is good in my option.


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Re: shadyshroomie's First Bulk Tek Grow Log [Re: Exstortion]
    #27142193 - 01/11/21 02:52 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

Dope thanks for the info.

The bags I had were already fully colonized. So They were in the fridge while fully colonized. Just wondering how long to let the mycelium come back :smile:


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    #27142199 - 01/11/21 02:55 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

Yea that I’m not sure of. I always spawn as soon as they are colonized. I keep mss and LC in the fridge and just put those out the day before.... if it’s room temperature I would think it’s ok. I’m not sure though


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Re: shadyshroomie's First Bulk Tek Grow Log [Re: Exstortion]
    #27142364 - 01/11/21 04:39 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

No worries

When colonizing in a shoebox with a latch lid, can I just latch the lid and place on a shelf to colonize? Will that be sufficient GE for the spawn run?


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Re: shadyshroomie's First Bulk Tek Grow Log [Re: shadyshroomie]
    #27151489 - 01/16/21 01:09 PM (3 years, 12 days ago)

Update with pics

18/24 bags showed myc growth. The JMF and BM showed the most, with the WNG showing the least. Mixed all the bags on 1/10

Also spawned 2 bags of Tas on 1/11 in two different-sized shoeboxes. One with about 1:1 ratio and one with 1:4 ratio.

I have entirely ditched a greenhouse/Martha style fruiting chamber. I am leaning towards making several (around 14) monotub style fruiting chambers that I can place trays in to fruit. In order to save space and tubs, I am thinking about spawning to shoebox style tubs with lids, then placing the opened tray/shoebox in a monotub fruiting chamber to fruit. That way I can have several trays spawning while I have the monotubs fruiting, and do not waste monotub space with a spawn run.

The Maz were the ones that did not show growth. All others showing growth are Haut (minor growth), WNG (only one bag shows good growth), BM and JMF



Here are some pics. Uploading never could get some of the pics oriented correctly, so sorry for tweaking your neck :wink:





Edit: not sure why the 2nd and 3rd pic are saying deleted... whatever haha


I also have 3 BRF w/some additives fruiting now with Tas








I was planning on building a flow hood, but due to this being about a 6 month project, I am going to just build a better and larger SAB. I still have two PE6 swabs I am waiting to use on some agar. Also still have unused Hillbill and Ecua MSS to use


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Re: shadyshroomie's First Bulk Tek Grow Log [Re: shadyshroomie]
    #27151571 - 01/16/21 02:07 PM (3 years, 12 days ago)

Don't have much of anything to add. Things look good so far. I'm really Just posting so I can follow along. I hope you don't mind?


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Re: shadyshroomie's First Bulk Tek Grow Log [Re: BrownBear]
    #27152032 - 01/16/21 07:22 PM (3 years, 11 days ago)

Not at all :smile:


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Re: shadyshroomie's First Bulk Tek Grow Log [Re: shadyshroomie]
    #27153866 - 01/17/21 04:47 PM (3 years, 11 days ago)

Update.

I bought a 106 qt tub to create a monotub style fruiting environment. They fit 4 6qt shoeboxes quite nicely. I plan to place 3 holes on each long side at the bottom stuffed with polyfill, and one up top on each short side. Similar to this: Monotub Fruiting

The 106 qt tubs fit perfectly in my storage racks

They are in my closet and I will likely run a humidifier inside the closet, have the door cracked and a fan oscillating outside my closet to move air around slightly inside.

Here is a pic of the tote





Any thoughts would be appreciated


I plan to have about 7 totes that fit 4 tubs each, so a total of 28 6qt shoeboxes fruiting at once.

Each shoebox I will spawn with 2 quarts rye berries and around 3 quarts of Hpoo substrate.

I am going to experiment with casing vs not casing. I also will probably rotate the totes every day as I assume the air flow inside my closet will not be even on each side.

Lmk what you think!


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Re: shadyshroomie's First Bulk Tek Grow Log [Re: shadyshroomie]
    #27155605 - 01/18/21 02:27 PM (3 years, 10 days ago)

UPDATE 1/18/21

Spawned 2 of the JMF spawn bags
I experimented with soaking one for 10 min and not the other
Both are a 1:2.5 ratio spawned in 6qt shoebox

For the other 2 JMF I am going to do a 1:1 ratio with 2 bags in one tub to see how that goes
I also am going to spawn 4 BM bags and one WNG in the next week or so

Pics: No matter what I do my pics upload sideways

The first two trays both of Tas were spawned 1/11 one at a 1:1 ratio and the other 1:4 about



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Re: shadyshroomie's First Bulk Tek Grow Log [Re: shadyshroomie]
    #27171913 - 01/26/21 09:54 PM (3 years, 1 day ago)

Here are some updates today

I placed two of the BM shoeboxes in fruiting conditions in the large monotub I built
Also placed two other trays I had fruiting already in there with them

I am noticing yellow myc piss on the surface and also inside some of my shoeboxes

TAS small tray (1:1)




BM (1:1) both 2 quarts spawn per box and spawned 1/19 so a week... not too shabby



I cannot get images to upload the right way for the life of me so fuck it



I also harvested a first flush from the 3 TAS cakes I had going

cake 1: 36.71 wet
cake 2: 63.76 wet
cake 3: 27.65 wet


Also I am a fucken dumbass. I was impatient when sterilizing my agar and my genius ass thought to cool the agar quicker in ice cold water

When I pulled the jar out I was like where the hell did the agar go... the bottom of the jar busted of course and lost all the agar smh...


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Re: shadyshroomie's First Bulk Tek Grow Log [Re: shadyshroomie]
    #27178991 - 01/31/21 08:04 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

1/31/21 Update

1:1 TAS tray spawned 1/11 started pinning around 1/25




1:4 TAS tray spawned 1/11 started pinning 1/29





I laugh at myself for thinking I was going to do a greenhouse... very thankful I decided against that money pit and hassle

Although one day I likely will but not until I have excess time, money, and space... as well as my own house.


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