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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #27073929 - 12/05/20 05:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I agree, it also bugged me (as a more socialism-inclined individual) they insisted on calling it democratic socialism because his proposals aren't really socialism anyway, and are actually far more mainstream and close to precedents already set in american politics.

It would have both been more accurate and effective I think to label themselves differently, although in either case I would have been a Bernie supporter


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27073955 - 12/05/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Biden will at least give us those non-economic social benefits, and that's good.

Trump might(?) help keep military conflicts down, and that's good.

I think they're both awful.



You still voted for Trump.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #27074024 - 12/05/20 06:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Biden will at least give us those non-economic social benefits, and that's good.

Trump might(?) help keep military conflicts down, and that's good.

I think they're both awful.



You still voted for Trump.




that choice really confuses me, especially given fal's stances on other topics... like I get he really hates the american empire and foreign wars and all that, but I don't see how Trump was an improvement in that regard either


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Ezuma]
    #27074032 - 12/05/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Almost everything he's posted in the last year has made me suspect that he died and someone else took over his account.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil]
    #27074135 - 12/05/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I think I remember him saying something to the effect that because he lives in a solidly blue state, his vote has no impact on the outcome anyway.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: psi] * 4
    #27074137 - 12/05/20 07:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Which is all the more reason to not vote for someone he thinks is awful. The truth is that he is a Trump fan.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Enlil]
    #27074151 - 12/05/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

There must have been other options for a protest vote against the Democrats.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: psi]
    #27074164 - 12/05/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I think they're both awful.



You still voted for Trump.



that choice really confuses me, especially given fal's stances on other topics... like I get he really hates the american empire and foreign wars and all that, but I don't see how Trump was an improvement in that regard either



I think I remember him saying something to the effect that because he lives in a solidly blue state, his vote has no impact on the outcome anyway.



PSI nailed it.  :thumbup:


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #27074238 - 12/05/20 09:07 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Can you explain why living in a solidly blue state led you to change your vote from the Green party to Donald Trump, after nearly two decades of voting for the former?

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Yes, you're absolutely correct.  I've abandoned the Democratic party for the Green party nearly 20 years ago.




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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 3
    #27074243 - 12/05/20 09:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah a guy who rolls back as much environmental protections as trump did doesnt seem like the next beat thing for someone in green party.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] * 4
    #27074268 - 12/05/20 09:36 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

The politics of spite.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27074455 - 12/06/20 01:04 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Can you explain why living in a solidly blue state led you to change your vote from the Green party to Donald Trump, after nearly two decades of voting for the former?

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Yes, you're absolutely correct.  I've abandoned the Democratic party for the Green party nearly 20 years ago.






Because voting for the Green Party wouldn't have given the Green Party a win.  Voting for the Republican party might hopefully send a message to Democrats that some people don't like establishment (military industrial complex) politics.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 5
    #27074471 - 12/06/20 01:26 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So, voting for the establishment is how you send a message that you're against the establishment?


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Kwyjibo] * 2
    #27074756 - 12/06/20 07:57 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Thats very flawed logic IMO


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #27074761 - 12/06/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Thats very flawed logic IMO



Have you see most of falcon's posts. It's completely in line


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: bodhisatta] * 2
    #27074786 - 12/06/20 08:32 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

viewing dems as anti establishment because they decide to vote on bills that would never have a chance, unless its going to war, is pretty asinine


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated] * 1
    #27074792 - 12/06/20 08:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

sending the dems a message tho is what happened for the past 2 elections tho and it didnt help, they just got worse, they really got lucky af this time, cause of the political virus


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated] * 1
    #27074847 - 12/06/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

they are acutely aware of all the messages being sent and their job is to deflect 100000000%


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: cannabinated] * 2
    #27074876 - 12/06/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

No one said the dems are antiestablishment. They and the republicans definitely are.


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Re: Trump Again Disavows White Supremacists while Biden Wont Disavow Antifa [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] * 1
    #27074887 - 12/06/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

you fall back into the notion that they are somehow a force for good when they really do just sell out the country just as bad...

the social tension is terrible tho


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