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pretty sure i have covid
    #27074163 - 12/05/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, im pretty sure i have covid.

I have never in my life been out of breath and not be able to catch my breath. i know meditation and breathing techniques and nothing was working.

i dont have asthma but luckily i do have some abuteral inhalers and epinephrine inhalers.

anyways, i was going to go get tested but its between $175 - $200 to get tested because i live in the country and the nearest free testing site is 96 miles away.

long story short. no way im driving to get tested when it will just tell me something i already know. very lucky to have some support for my lungs though.

shitty part is taking days off work and they want proof of test, they will have to fuck off with that though.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: prettyMushy] * 2
    #27074245 - 12/05/20 09:12 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

if you feel short of breath you should seek medical attention. at the very least you should locate a pulse oximeter and figure out what your saturation.

if you have some vitamin D, zinc and vitamin C around, start taking it. 200mg zinc twice a day (yes that's a lot). As much vitamin C as you can tolerate. it will give most people GI problems at doses over 1000mg at a time. take it as many times as you can per day without giving yourself diarrhea. IDK how much vitamin D to recommend. 5000IUs with every meal is probably a decent bet.

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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: morrowasted]
    #27074312 - 12/05/20 10:14 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

How do you think you got it? Are you allowed to come back to work without a test?


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: morrowasted]
    #27074409 - 12/05/20 11:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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if you feel short of breath you should seek medical attention. at the very least you should locate a pulse oximeter and figure out what your saturation.

if you have some vitamin D, zinc and vitamin C around, start taking it. 200mg zinc twice a day (yes that's a lot). As much vitamin C as you can tolerate. it will give most people GI problems at doses over 1000mg at a time. take it as many times as you can per day without giving yourself diarrhea. IDK how much vitamin D to recommend. 5000IUs with every meal is probably a decent bet.

take care.



5000IUs of vitamin D with every meal? 4000IU per day is considered the safe upper limit and afaik doses of up to 10 000IUs per day have been shown to not cause toxicity. thats what I learned in college. but I'm not sure about 15000. Vitamin D is fat soluable so its probably a good idea to not take that much imo. but you're the medical professional.

get well soon OP.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #27074515 - 12/06/20 02:50 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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if you feel short of breath you should seek medical attention. at the very least you should locate a pulse oximeter and figure out what your saturation.

if you have some vitamin D, zinc and vitamin C around, start taking it. 200mg zinc twice a day (yes that's a lot). As much vitamin C as you can tolerate. it will give most people GI problems at doses over 1000mg at a time. take it as many times as you can per day without giving yourself diarrhea. IDK how much vitamin D to recommend. 5000IUs with every meal is probably a decent bet.

take care.



5000IUs of vitamin D with every meal? 4000IU per day is considered the safe upper limit and afaik doses of up to 10 000IUs per day have been shown to not cause toxicity. thats what I learned in college. but I'm not sure about 15000. Vitamin D is fat soluable so its probably a good idea to not take that much imo. but you're the medical professional.
get well soon OP.





I tested as extremely vitamin d deficient, the dose the prescribed me was 50,000 IU once a week.

Sauce :

Blacked out name and address with marker but could still sort of rea it so I scratched it off


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #27074633 - 12/06/20 05:50 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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if you feel short of breath you should seek medical attention. at the very least you should locate a pulse oximeter and figure out what your saturation.

if you have some vitamin D, zinc and vitamin C around, start taking it. 200mg zinc twice a day (yes that's a lot). As much vitamin C as you can tolerate. it will give most people GI problems at doses over 1000mg at a time. take it as many times as you can per day without giving yourself diarrhea. IDK how much vitamin D to recommend. 5000IUs with every meal is probably a decent bet.

take care.



5000IUs of vitamin D with every meal? 4000IU per day is considered the safe upper limit and afaik doses of up to 10 000IUs per day have been shown to not cause toxicity. thats what I learned in college. but I'm not sure about 15000. Vitamin D is fat soluable so its probably a good idea to not take that much imo. but you're the medical professional.

get well soon OP.



Under normal circumstances no, I would never recommend such high doses. When you have covid, the activity of the immune system essentially drains your vitamin D, so you need more than usual. Taking 15000IUs a day for a week or so isnt going to hurt anyone.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: morrowasted]
    #27074644 - 12/06/20 06:03 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I always add k2 if I take over 10k, there's not a whole lot of research on the safe/effective dosages though... probably a bit different for everyone. 20 minutes of sun is supposedly lome 10-30k equivalent


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #27074645 - 12/06/20 06:03 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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if you feel short of breath you should seek medical attention. at the very least you should locate a pulse oximeter and figure out what your saturation.

if you have some vitamin D, zinc and vitamin C around, start taking it. 200mg zinc twice a day (yes that's a lot). As much vitamin C as you can tolerate. it will give most people GI problems at doses over 1000mg at a time. take it as many times as you can per day without giving yourself diarrhea. IDK how much vitamin D to recommend. 5000IUs with every meal is probably a decent bet.

take care.



5000IUs of vitamin D with every meal? 4000IU per day is considered the safe upper limit and afaik doses of up to 10 000IUs per day have been shown to not cause toxicity. thats what I learned in college. but I'm not sure about 15000. Vitamin D is fat soluable so its probably a good idea to not take that much imo. but you're the medical professional.

get well soon OP.




Even Fauci is taking 150mg per day, has done since start of of this shit.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: prettyMushy]
    #27074655 - 12/06/20 06:18 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

those are good points, I also take vitamin k2 with my vitamin d, and we don't know a whole lot about what doses are effective. more than likely by the time you already have covid, taking vitamin D is only going to be minimally helpful anyway. I believe it is mostly involved in innate immunity, and by the time you're actively feeling sick my understanding is that it means your innate immunity has already failed and you're now relying on your adaptive immunity to clear the infection (although I believe elements of the innate immune system continue to facilitate the transport and "activation/tuning" of the adaptive immune system). my educated guess is just that taking a lot of extra vitamin D for a week or so has very little potential to cause harm and and might help.

the vitamin C and zinc are no-brainers though. patients hospitalized with covid receive them. I'd start downing foods rich in quercetin too, personally. red onions, berries, kale/spinach, bell peppers. also apple peels. take just the peels and blend up and drink em throughout the day. the ursolic acid in the peel is probably active against covid. the ECGC in green tea as well will facilitate the antiviral action of the zinc

this is almost entirely based on speculation but it's what I would do if I thought I had covid and it isn't going to hurt anyone to take a reasonable quantity of extra vitamins and eat a lot of fruit and veg for a week or so.

but again... if you ever feel short of breath while at rest- lying in bed, or whatever... you should seek medical attention. its free in canada, no?


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: morrowasted]
    #27074669 - 12/06/20 06:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

There has been speculation about vitamin D in big enough dosages preventing the serious form.

All so a reason why not so much cases during summer when 15 min in sun gives you 250mg


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #27074680 - 12/06/20 06:52 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The sun has almost nothing to do with covid cases


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: feevers]
    #27074684 - 12/06/20 06:58 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The sun has LOTS of do with d-vitamin levels of people.
In many countries there was huge drop in cases during summer months.
Not talking about America here.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: Ice9]
    #27074700 - 12/06/20 07:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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if you feel short of breath you should seek medical attention. at the very least you should locate a pulse oximeter and figure out what your saturation.

if you have some vitamin D, zinc and vitamin C around, start taking it. 200mg zinc twice a day (yes that's a lot). As much vitamin C as you can tolerate. it will give most people GI problems at doses over 1000mg at a time. take it as many times as you can per day without giving yourself diarrhea. IDK how much vitamin D to recommend. 5000IUs with every meal is probably a decent bet.

take care.



5000IUs of vitamin D with every meal? 4000IU per day is considered the safe upper limit and afaik doses of up to 10 000IUs per day have been shown to not cause toxicity. thats what I learned in college. but I'm not sure about 15000. Vitamin D is fat soluable so its probably a good idea to not take that much imo. but you're the medical professional.
get well soon OP.





I tested as extremely vitamin d deficient, the dose the prescribed me was 50,000 IU once a week.

Sauce :

Blacked out name and address with marker but could still sort of rea it so I scratched it off



that still works out to less than 10 000IU per day. a far cry from 15 000.

just thinking out loud.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #27074708 - 12/06/20 07:13 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Again, it's not a blanket recommendation.

If you don't think you have COVID, don't take 15000IUs a day. I take 5000IUs like 3x a week personally.

make sure you get d3 also, not d2. your kidneys are already working hard, you dont want to make them have to do all that d2->d3 conversion


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #27074710 - 12/06/20 07:15 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

One thing:

PEOPLE REMEMBER TO TAKE VITAMIN-D WITH FATTY FOOD OR AS SUPLEMENT WHERE IT IS ALL READY MIXED WITH OIL.

AS IT IS FAT SOLUBLE THERE CAN BE PROBLEMS WITH HOW IT IS ABSORBED BY YOUR BODY.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #27074872 - 12/06/20 09:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Vitamin D sold in stores is not the real deal, it is made from fungus and some phony shit.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27075014 - 12/06/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You're thinking of ascorbic acid (vitamin C). Some people who manufacture really expensive alternative vitamin C supplements (Rose hip blends and shit) have tried and partially succeeded to promote the idea that vitamin C isn't "just" ascorbic acid but also the other necessary cofactors (which simply amounts to a rewriting of the definition of vitamins in general), and/or that the ascorbic acid produced by "growing mold" is somehow inferior. none of it has any real justification in biochemistry.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #27075037 - 12/06/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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The sun has LOTS of do with d-vitamin levels of people.
In many countries there was huge drop in cases during summer months.
Not talking about America here.




Yes because people are outside not spreading the virus 🤦‍♂️

Arizona and Texas and Florida has their surge in the summer because it’s too hot to be outside


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #27075057 - 12/06/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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There has been speculation about vitamin D in big enough dosages preventing the serious form.

All so a reason why not so much cases during summer when 15 min in sun gives you 250mg



Considering how fast/well your body produces vitamin d changes with age, no one should ever be providing a static number.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: metalfaith]
    #27075084 - 12/06/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Considering how fast/well your body produces vitamin d changes with age, no one should ever be providing a static number.



As a general treatment recommendation, no, any number you throw out is not going to be evidence-based at this point.

As a "you might as well do this cuz it almost certainly won't hurt you and just might help and situation you're in is such that not availing yourself of any all help could result in your death" recommendation to one particular person I don't see any issue with it.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: morrowasted]
    #27075102 - 12/06/20 11:25 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yep, I was solely protesting the static number of 250mg/15 minutes quoted. Had nothing to do with your 'prescribing' for a short period.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: metalfaith]
    #27075117 - 12/06/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Yep, I was solely protesting the static number of 250mg/15 minutes quoted. Had nothing to do with your 'prescribing' for a short period.



My mistake, I see that you were responding to leningradcowboy. I don't see his posts anymore so it looked  at first like you were responding to me :1up:


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: prettyMushy]
    #27075357 - 12/06/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Turn off the news on your TV and your Covid paranoia will go away.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: morrowasted]
    #27075431 - 12/06/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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You're thinking of ascorbic acid (vitamin C). Some people who manufacture really expensive alternative vitamin C supplements (Rose hip blends and shit) have tried and partially succeeded to promote the idea that vitamin C isn't "just" ascorbic acid but also the other necessary cofactors (which simply amounts to a rewriting of the definition of vitamins in general), and/or that the ascorbic acid produced by "growing mold" is somehow inferior. none of it has any real justification in biochemistry.




Dude wtf what are you doing working in a hospital,

What is the difference between vitamin D2 and vitamin D3?
At one time these two forms of vitamin D were thought to be equivalent, however, that is not the case! Vitamin D2 or ergocalciferol is actually less potent and has a shorter duration of action than its counterpart Vitamin D3 or cholecalciferol.

Is a prescription actually required to purchase vitamin D?
Vitamin D2 50,000 units requires a prescription, however, Vitamin D3 50,000 units does NOT require one.

However, although Vitamin D3 50,000 units does not require a prescription, it is still usually purchased from behind the pharmacy counter and may need to be ordered in.

https://www.goodrx.com/blog/vitamin-d2-vs-vitamin-d3-whats-the-difference/

So as you see you need a prescription to get the real deal.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27075436 - 12/06/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

https://www.singlecare.com/blog/vitamin-d-vs-d3/

What are the main differences between vitamin D and D3?
The term vitamin D is kind of a misnomer because you will not find anything labeled simply as “vitamin D” in a pharmacy vitamin aisle. Rather, your choices will be vitamin D2 or vitamin D3. Generally, when one mentions vitamin D, the implied selection is vitamin D2. For the purpose of this article, when vitamin D is mentioned, it will refer to vitamin D2. The names can be confusing, because many times, patients go into the pharmacy looking for vitamin D and are surprised that there is a D2 and a D3.

Vitamin D (D2) comes from plant sources, such as wild  MUSHROOMS, as well as fortified foods, such as milk or cereal products. Its strength is typically measured in international units, which is abbreviated as “IU” on labeling. The 50,000 IU capsules are prescription only, while lower strengths are available over-the-counter. Vitamin D is less expensive to produce and therefore is the form most commonly found in fortified food products.

Vitamin D3 mainly comes from animal sources such as fish oil, fatty fish, liver, and egg yolks. When your skin is exposed to sunlight, it produces vitamin D3. For this reason, it is sometimes referred to as the sunshine vitamin. Its strength is also measured in international units. All forms of vitamin D3 are available over-the-counter.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27075438 - 12/06/20 02:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

and all of the vitamin D options will never compare to just getting it the way you are suppose to, from the sun.

They're all fucking shitty analogs.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27075446 - 12/06/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You just said vitamin D3 is what is produced when melanin is exposed to sunlight. Is the the exact same thing? If it is, it’s not an analog.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27075450 - 12/06/20 02:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I will add though that there is a vitamin D shot they give to people with severe vitamin D deficiency, D2 and D3 are not prescribed o used professionally in a hospital setting for Vitamin D deficiency, the shot is what you want but you won't get it.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27075455 - 12/06/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Hope u feel better :]


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27075466 - 12/06/20 03:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

the compound that is made by sunlight is not active vitamin D. The compound that is made by sunlight is metabolized by the liver into another compound that is also not active vitamin. The compound made by the liver is then metabolized by the kidneys. This is active vitamin D.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27075502 - 12/06/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I will add though that there is a vitamin D shot they give to people with severe vitamin D deficiency, D2 and D3 are not prescribed o used professionally in a hospital setting for Vitamin D deficiency, the shot is what you want but you won't get it.




D3 is prescribed in hospital settings frequently.

And just because something can be bought over the counter doesn't mean it's not often prescribed as well.

Why rant about something you know nothing about?


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: feevers]
    #27075511 - 12/06/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Because 3 years ago I was thinking about taking vitamin D as a supplement so I researched it and found out everything you can buy is an analog and doesn't even remotely compare to the sun so I just got more sun exposure instead.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27075522 - 12/06/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I try to get more sun too, my levels went way up this year from being in the sun more. Supplementing definitely works though, the benefits other than bone health are still pretty up in the air but the supplement definitely raises your levels


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: feevers]
    #27075525 - 12/06/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I am sure it does something but why not get it in the best form that is free and also helps with balancing proper levels of cholesterol.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27075530 - 12/06/20 03:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Spending more time outside is good for you too, mentally and air quality etc unless you have a furnace with a filter etc of course then maybe the air inside might potentially be better etc but enclosed spaces are more likely to have worse air quality than outside most the time dependent on location and quite frankly most people are way too boxed in all the time.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27075564 - 12/06/20 03:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Not everyone is able to spend time outside every day because of work, too hot, too cold, or other things.
In the winter the production of vitamin D via the sun exposure isn't as effective.
People with darker colored skin are way less efficient at generating vitamin D through sunlight.
Lots of people have medical conditions where they aren't supposed to get too much sunlight.

There are MANY scenarios where a person can't produce enough vitamin D through sun exposure.

The approach to supplement it is very logical and it seems to be effective.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #27075577 - 12/06/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I see old ladies doing jogs in parks all the time even in the winter in short sleeve shirts physical activity warms you up and keeps you limber , jobs do get in the way though best time to get exposure is at 12pm, when I am at work any time I am outside building something I take off my jacket to get good exposure and since I am working hard I stay warm enough as long as I keep moving.

If you're taking supplements then you are being health conscious so if you are trying to be health conscious might as well try to go all the way if you can.

Most people are working at home right now and can step outside and get some rays for 15 minutes 2x a day, even if it is cloudy it still is working just at a slower rate.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27075582 - 12/06/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

also jobs are required by law to give 10-15 minute breaks at least 2x in an 8 hour shift, good opportunities to get some sun.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27075592 - 12/06/20 04:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You're not listening to what I'm saying.
Darker colored skin people are way less efficient at generating vitamin D than light skinned people via sunlight.
Some people can't get sunlight because of medical conditions.

We all understand what you're saying: get sunlight.  For some people it's just not that easy.


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    #27075595 - 12/06/20 04:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Darker skinned people just need a bit more time in the sun than someone lighter skinned.

People with medical conditions should be getting their shit from a doctor as supplements are unregulated and could literally just be fake as there are no checks and balances at all for them and basically are considered a scam.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27075605 - 12/06/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Shit I fell for the probiotic thing, I did some research for after taking my anti biotics  to get my flora back and so I got some really good pro biotics, then later I found out that pro biotics can actually be counter productive and its actually better to get your flora back naturally, some things I read about were pockets of bacteria of just what was in the pro biotic can fill a space and dominate it and shit and all kinds of other shit I started finding out.

So the conclusion I got from all I read was that its better to just let your gut flora come back naturally and maybe eat some yogurt possibly.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27075686 - 12/06/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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You're thinking of ascorbic acid (vitamin C). Some people who manufacture really expensive alternative vitamin C supplements (Rose hip blends and shit) have tried and partially succeeded to promote the idea that vitamin C isn't "just" ascorbic acid but also the other necessary cofactors (which simply amounts to a rewriting of the definition of vitamins in general), and/or that the ascorbic acid produced by "growing mold" is somehow inferior. none of it has any real justification in biochemistry.




Dude wtf what are you doing working in a hospital,

What is the difference between vitamin D2 and vitamin D3?
At one time these two forms of vitamin D were thought to be equivalent, however, that is not the case! Vitamin D2 or ergocalciferol is actually less potent and has a shorter duration of action than its counterpart Vitamin D3 or cholecalciferol.

Is a prescription actually required to purchase vitamin D?
Vitamin D2 50,000 units requires a prescription, however, Vitamin D3 50,000 units does NOT require one.

However, although Vitamin D3 50,000 units does not require a prescription, it is still usually purchased from behind the pharmacy counter and may need to be ordered in.

https://www.goodrx.com/blog/vitamin-d2-vs-vitamin-d3-whats-the-difference/

So as you see you need a prescription to get the real deal.



I'm so confused... first of all, none of what you said has any relation to the post of mine that you quaoted, and second of all are you trying to say that vitamin D2 is the "real deal" :rofl:


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #27075691 - 12/06/20 04:53 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I am sure it does something but why not get it in the best form that is free and also helps with balancing proper levels of cholesterol.




Because the same exposure that provides you with natural vitamin D also causes cellular mutations that can lead to cancer


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: morrowasted]
    #27075692 - 12/06/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The sources I am pulling up are contradicting each other some are saying u can buy both OTC and others say you can't, also I am not seeing the same exact stuff I was reading 3 years ago, I am just pulling up some sources showing you where these analogs come from.

If you think you are getting the same thing, and achieving the same quality by taking supplements you are seriously mistaken.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27075695 - 12/06/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Shit I fell for the probiotic thing, I did some research for after taking my anti biotics  to get my flora back and so I got some really good pro biotics, then later I found out that pro biotics can actually be counter productive and its actually better to get your flora back naturally, some things I read about were pockets of bacteria of just what was in the pro biotic can fill a space and dominate it and shit and all kinds of other shit I started finding out.

So the conclusion I got from all I read was that its better to just let your gut flora come back naturally and maybe eat some yogurt possibly.




You can do fecal replacement. Save your shit from before you take the antibiotic then shove it back in when you’re done


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27075698 - 12/06/20 04:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The real deal can only be gotten in a prescription shot, its supposedly the same quality as getting it from the sun, that is what I was reading 3 years ago and that particular shot is extremely expensive and very rarely used but only in extreme cases, I was reading all about it 3 years ago, I am not gonna be able to just find what I found 3 years ago when I did about a month straight of on and off vitamin D research to decide if I was gonna buy supplements or not.


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    #27075702 - 12/06/20 04:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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The sources I am pulling up are contradicting each other some are saying u can buy both OTC and others say you can't, also I am not seeing the same exact stuff I was reading 3 years ago, I am just pulling up some sources showing you where these analogs come from.

If you think you are getting the same thing, and achieving the same quality by taking supplements you are seriously mistaken.



I think you should worry about the things you're seriously mistaken about before you worry about the things I'm seriously mistaken about it, because there's a lot more of them, and it's generally bad when people who are seriously mistaken about as many things as you are are also as vocal as you are. I can describe the entire system of organs, glands, and hormones involved in the vitamin D biosynthesis pathway and regulation of vitamin D, as well as the effects that vitamin D exerts on other organs as an hormone itself, off the top of my head, and have been able to for several years.

In any case, I'm done having discussions with people who argue for pathological reasons rather than to discover the truth. I just needed to quickly point out that virtually every time you post there are factual errors in the claims you make, so you should consider aggregating a set of actual facts before making any further claims. Welcome to my ignore list.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #27075703 - 12/06/20 04:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Darker skinned people just need a bit more time in the sun than someone lighter skinned.

People with medical conditions should be getting their shit from a doctor as supplements are unregulated and could literally just be fake as there are no checks and balances at all for them and basically are considered a scam.



My previous job actually forbid people from leaving the building for any reason whatsoever. Weren't allowed to walk to your car in the parking lot either. Not only that, but my building didn't have any windows and we were in an open office. They had a fear that going outside for lunch will track in the virus.

This is a job that works from 8:30am-6pm. So during the winter time, you see almost zero sun.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: morrowasted]
    #27075707 - 12/06/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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The sources I am pulling up are contradicting each other some are saying u can buy both OTC and others say you can't, also I am not seeing the same exact stuff I was reading 3 years ago, I am just pulling up some sources showing you where these analogs come from.

If you think you are getting the same thing, and achieving the same quality by taking supplements you are seriously mistaken.



I think you should worry about the things you're seriously mistaken about before you worry about the things I'm seriously mistaken about it, because there's a lot more of them, and it's generally bad when people who are seriously mistaken about as many things as you are are also as vocal as you are.

In any case, I'm done having discussions with people who argue for pathological reasons rather than to discover the truth. I just needed to quickly point out that virtually every time you post there are factual errors in the claims you make, so you should consider aggregating a set of actual facts before making any further claims. Welcome to my ignore list.




Enjoy your analogs here is an image from one of my sources I showed.



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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27075709 - 12/06/20 05:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Had you actually checked my sources you would have also seen this,



You see it is off label for either form to treat vitamin deficiency. The reason is it isn't the same shit that the sun gives you it is just similar.


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    #27075714 - 12/06/20 05:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

There are huge differences, bio availability being a big factor, the way the body intakes it and delivers it, the chemical composition etc.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #27075720 - 12/06/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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The sources I am pulling up are contradicting each other some are saying u can buy both OTC and others say you can't, also I am not seeing the same exact stuff I was reading 3 years ago, I am just pulling up some sources showing you where these analogs come from.

If you think you are getting the same thing, and achieving the same quality by taking supplements you are seriously mistaken.



I think you should worry about the things you're seriously mistaken about before you worry about the things I'm seriously mistaken about it, because there's a lot more of them, and it's generally bad when people who are seriously mistaken about as many things as you are are also as vocal as you are.

In any case, I'm done having discussions with people who argue for pathological reasons rather than to discover the truth. I just needed to quickly point out that virtually every time you post there are factual errors in the claims you make, so you should consider aggregating a set of actual facts before making any further claims. Welcome to my ignore list.




Enjoy your analogs here is an image from one of my sources I showed.






The compound produced through sunlight is also an analog and has to go through two metabolic steps before its active


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: morrowasted]
    #27075724 - 12/06/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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The sources I am pulling up are contradicting each other some are saying u can buy both OTC and others say you can't, also I am not seeing the same exact stuff I was reading 3 years ago, I am just pulling up some sources showing you where these analogs come from.

If you think you are getting the same thing, and achieving the same quality by taking supplements you are seriously mistaken.



I think you should worry about the things you're seriously mistaken about before you worry about the things I'm seriously mistaken about it, because there's a lot more of them, and it's generally bad when people who are seriously mistaken about as many things as you are are also as vocal as you are. I can describe the entire system of organs, glands, and hormones involved in the vitamin D biosynthesis pathway and regulation of vitamin D, as well as the effects that vitamin D exerts on other organs as an hormone itself, off the top of my head, and have been able to for several years.

In any case, I'm done having discussions with people who argue for pathological reasons rather than to discover the truth. I just needed to quickly point out that virtually every time you post there are factual errors in the claims you make, so you should consider aggregating a set of actual facts before making any further claims. Welcome to my ignore list.




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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: prettyMushy]
    #27075729 - 12/06/20 05:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Here let me show you just some of the differences that can be obtained.



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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27075730 - 12/06/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Not sure why the image saved like that so here it is more readable.



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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27075734 - 12/06/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

And if I am not mistaken this is the structure we make in our bodies when we are exposed to sun



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    #27075736 - 12/06/20 05:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I will tell you right now researching these different chemical structures and comparing them to what we make isn't very easy it isn't something that people search for often or are very interested in.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27075739 - 12/06/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Here are 3 different structures I found compared side by side,



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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27075741 - 12/06/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So since you are so knowledgeable and smart, tell us which exact structure is ideal?


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27075747 - 12/06/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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And if I am not mistaken this is the structure we make in our bodies when we are exposed to sun






That’s vitamin D3.

Methyl (CH3) groups are implied by a unlabeled line.

So H3C––––CH3 is the same as ––––

Two unlabeled lines that meet at an angle imply a carbon at the junction with two hydrogen atoms bonded to it.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: prettyMushy]
    #27075765 - 12/06/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

d3 seems to be a liver conversion of actual vitamin D, that's the issue, vitamin D is absorbed through the skin and converted into D3, you are skipping the regular vitamin D step, that seems to be the key difference. You are skipping an entire supplemental step, the conversion of the original vitamin and nutrient that is later converted into d3 in the liver.
There use to be a term called vitamin D1 but later they discovered vitamin D1 was a cocktail of compounds that are then converted into the d3 later, you are not getting the cocktails of compounds which are likely good for you, d3 isn't formed on the skin, other compounds are and supplements are skipping a key step in the process.

This is starting to remind me of what I read 3 years ago I needed a booster lesson.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27075824 - 12/06/20 06:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Vitamin D is not absorbed through the skin. A photon of UV light hits a molecule of 7-dehydocholestol and breaks apart the benzene ring, creating vitamin D3


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: koods]
    #27075839 - 12/06/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I can't see what he is saying but there is no reason for a discussion to be had here based on the replies you're giving. You are just relating non-debateable facts about human physiology that anyone with an actual interest in the subject would have discovered independently if their research and its interpretation had not been guided and obscured by confirmation bias. Anyone discussing this in good faith would just be like, "Oh wow, my mistake, thanks for correcting me. Are you aware of any quick primers or other good resources on vitamins and minerals?" To which I might gladly have scanned the relevant portions of my nutrition or anatomy and physiology textbooks for you to read, as I have done for other users.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: morrowasted]
    #27075868 - 12/06/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

classic koods. never lets u down when browsing along.

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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: koods]
    #27075876 - 12/06/20 06:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Vitamin D is not absorbed through the skin. A photon of UV light hits a molecule of 7-dehydocholestol and breaks apart the benzene ring, creating vitamin D3




wrong it makes D1 which is converted into d3 in the liver D1 is a combination of compounds that the liver assembles into d3


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27075887 - 12/06/20 06:37 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

D1 turned out not to exist, which is why there is D2 and D3 and not a D1 D1 turned out to be a combo of things made on our skin absorb and convert into d3 in the liver.  A bit ago I just read all about it it was a bit interesting.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: morrowasted]
    #27075901 - 12/06/20 06:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So as a "preventive" I should take -

Vitamin d
Vitamin c
Zinc
And what else?

I work outside doing tree work so I'm constantly in every type of weather and get a lot of exercise

I eat very little; bananas in the morning maybe a bagel pizza or chinese for dinner or nothing at all some days


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: stzacrack]
    #27075906 - 12/06/20 06:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

C and zinc seem to be the main big ones unless there is a more recent development.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: stzacrack]
    #27075923 - 12/06/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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So as a "preventive" I should take -

Vitamin d
Vitamin c
Zinc
And what else?

I work outside doing tree work so I'm constantly in every type of weather and get a lot of exercise

I eat very little; bananas in the morning maybe a bagel pizza or chinese for dinner or nothing at all some days





Read through the COVID19 thread part 2 to get all your questions answered: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26907112/fpart/1/an/37
Yes, we talk about daily regimes to take there.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #27076046 - 12/06/20 07:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

What happened with this is OP ded?


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: Gorlax]
    #27076078 - 12/06/20 08:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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classic koods. never lets u down when browsing along.

light is a catalyst in the synthesis of vit d




When a photon with a certain amount energy hits a molecule of 7-dehydrocholesterol, one of the bonds in that molecule breaks, producing a compound that then rearranges into its lowest energy state, which is Vitamin D3. Vitamin D3 is then metabolized into an intermediary compound in the liver, which is then metabolized in the kidneys into the active form of Vitamin D. Vitamin D isn’t actually a vitamin. It is a signaling hormone that interacts with receptors inside of cells to change their function. It doesn’t actually participate in any biochemical processes. It only signals a cell to do something.

The ability of a photon to break a chemical bond also suggests the capability to break other chemical bonds, including bonds within a cell’s dna. It’s a double edged sword.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: morrowasted]
    #27076159 - 12/06/20 09:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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if you feel short of breath you should seek medical attention. at the very least you should locate a pulse oximeter and figure out what your saturation.

if you have some vitamin D, zinc and vitamin C around, start taking it. 200mg zinc twice a day (yes that's a lot). As much vitamin C as you can tolerate. it will give most people GI problems at doses over 1000mg at a time. take it as many times as you can per day without giving yourself diarrhea. IDK how much vitamin D to recommend. 5000IUs with every meal is probably a decent bet.

take care.




i have been taking vitamin d everyday for about 2 months now

edit: it looks like i have only been taking about  1200iu vitamin d, 10mg zink, 60mg vitamin c


i will have someone grab me bottles so i can up my dose.

thank for the info!


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27076164 - 12/06/20 09:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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How do you think you got it? Are you allowed to come back to work without a test?




the only place i really go right now is the grocery store, couple trips to the hardware store, and work.

so one of 3 places. i always wear a mask and sanitize my hands when i get in my car but yeah, guess it wasnt enough


i can go back to work if i dont show symptoms.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: prettyMushy] * 1
    #27076183 - 12/06/20 09:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think you are having anxiety and not covid.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: prettyMushy]
    #27076204 - 12/06/20 09:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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i can go back to work if i dont show symptoms.



What the fuck is wrong with this country? Nobody should be leaving their house if they have covid.

Btw, federal law provides 2 weeks paid leave if you have covid.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: koods]
    #27076218 - 12/06/20 09:46 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You don't even have to show symptoms in order to have covid-19. You can be a carrier and never ever get sick from it. It would pass right through you in a couple of weeks and you would never know it.

One time and it was literally only one time, I hooked up with a dude and we only did oral, we did not even have full-on sex. I fucking got chlamydia from him literally two weeks later. He was the only fucking person I was with for a while but his test showed negative for chlamydia. He said he's never had symptoms. While I was asking him questions after I found out I was positive, I learned that he never uses condoms and that he hooks up quite a lot. What the fuck dude. I took the antibiotics and it was cleared. I'm not into hookups anymore but after that I ALWAYS ask people about their sexual history.

so yeah you don't have to show symptoms of fucking shit in order to have anything and pass it on to someone. I'm not calling anyone a retard but people are so fucking retarded.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27076229 - 12/06/20 09:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

chlamydial is pretty mild stuff, its easy to have and not notice, so you got it all up in your throat? How did you notice? Sore throat or something?


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27076242 - 12/06/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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chlamydial is pretty mild stuff, its easy to have and not notice, so you got it all up in your throat? How did you notice? Sore throat or something?



Nope. My dick had a constant dripping discharge. Nastiest shit. I had to cover the tip of my dick with bunched up tissue to keep it from being noticable at fucking work and shit. I had to let it drip until I could use the bathroom to change the tissue. A constant drip. It didn't stop until the antibiotics were working.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27076270 - 12/06/20 10:27 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Kinda weird, its not suppose to really transmit from mouth to dick, clymidia grows deep down in the throat when infected in someone orally so unless maybe you were deep throat fucking them all crazy like it would be odd to catch it that way.


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Re: pretty sure i have covid [Re: budmanman]
    #27076275 - 12/06/20 10:32 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It’s less common but still happens.

I’ve hooked up with hundreds of dudes and never caught an STD, except mono, but you can get that sharing utensils or drinking from the same glass.


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