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Enkidu
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Dr. Delban said: Quitting weed is always a good idea. Your life can only get better. I had different issues when quitting, I was actually sleeping too much rather than unable to sleep. If you are struggling to sleep I suggest drink a herbal infusion before sleep. Make your own mix of all sedative herbs that you can find. You can get some decent ready mixed teabags but if you can find loose leaf or flower then take those instead. I use use camomile, lemon balm and mint. You can also try valerian root extract - load it up heavy dosed for the first 3 days to make it work, then lower the dose slightly.
If any of those don't help then get melatonin and eat 2-5mg a few hours before sleep. If 5mg of melatonin doesn't knock you out then I don't know what would... With melatonin be prepared to wake up randomly at night and feeling fully rested, but ignore it and just close your eyes, you fall asleep again instantly.
You can also try a breathing technique. It is so simple that I even feel embarrassed saying it is my own invention... Simply lay down on your back and breathe in the same way that humans do whilst asleep. I'm pretty sure we know the sound of it and that rhythm. Just tune into it and it should take you out. It works for me. You can combine this with the sedatives.
Apart from that I find that some music just knocks me out. There are two albums that I use:
Bohren and der club of gore - Black Earth Rhythm and sound - Rhythm and sound (2001)
Whatever you do, don't touch xanax or any other pharmaceutical shit.
Thats good advice
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Re: quitting weed [Re: Enkidu]
#27073088 - 12/05/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's withdrawal symptom. I am on day 4 myself right now. The first 48 hours I stayed up the entire time. First night a literal 0 minutes of sleep, it was impossible.
Here's the general withdrawal scheme that always happens for me, and I've quit probably at least 5-7 times after heavy usage periods.
The first symptom I always notice is excessive sweating, my palms, feet and armpits will just be clammy, and extra sweaty, next is loss of appetite, severe irritability and then insomnia. I also wake up in night sweats(I never do usually) and sometimes have to change my clothes and sheets.
I've experienced these symptoms to varying degrees based on my tolerances. One time I stayed up for 3-4 days because I simply could not sleep, 10mg melatonin felt nothing, appetite was gone to the point of sickness, eating a few calories a day, the thought, idea or sensation of food could make me gag.
The irritability varies sometimes but my fuse is 100x shorter, and I will experience uncontrollable anger bursts at various times. These are all unnatural things for me day to day, and they fade away after about a week of quitting.
Now that I think of it, the insomnia feels nearly identical to the stimulation of LSD, especially the first couple days.
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Edited by Eclipse3130 (12/05/20 08:30 AM)
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Dr. Delban
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Shit. What kind of weed have you been smoking? Never heard of cannabis withdrawal symptoms like this.
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Enkidu
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Yeah ive never had anything like that either
That sounds fucked up
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Re: quitting weed [Re: Enkidu]
#27073379 - 12/05/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Everyone has different degrees of symptoms. I have a friend who used about 10x as much as me, he had the same withdrawal but even worse, quivering panic attacks included. But I am also going through it with my girlfriend right now and she is experiencing the same exact stuff. I thought this was common, in fact everyone I know experiences it. Might just be a symptom of living in a legal state with unlimited access to the most potent cannabis, and then abusing it on top of that. But if you research the withdrawal of cannabis, you will see it is very real for lots of people.
70-90% THC concentrates and 20-30% potency weed. At an unlimited rate
I was a extract user, in fact I only smoked for about a month of using concentrates this time. Maybe at most a half gram a day. Not super heavy compared to some people but I did prefer hash over weed. She preferred weed.
It happens every time I quit, to different degrees based on how much I was using for how long. I experience the same withdrawal symptoms even if I am just smoking weed, they won't last as long if I was using concentrates for a prolonged period of time.
4 days in, I am finally feeling naturally TIRED. It's a great feeling. Compared to the general withdrawal of what feels similar to being stuck in the comedown of an LSD trip unable to sleep and not hungry. a general sense of annoyance.
It's just the body re-regulating its endocannabinoid system which regulates sleep, appetite, etc. In fact it makes sense when I quit why I experience the exact opposite of how cannabis can benefit you with an aid for appetite, insomnia, and various other things. All of that will be down regulated once you quit, your body is not use to getting its supply for hunger, and sleep, it got use to receiving it from cannabis, and stops producing as much of its own natural chemicals, this is the withdrawal period as your brain re-regulates itself. You will be starved of it until your body realizes it needs to start producing its own again! And this is what makes the withdrawal so uncomfortable.
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Edited by Eclipse3130 (12/05/20 11:48 AM)
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I'm in a similar boat to the OP but I'm not quitting. Been smoking since I was 13 on and off, daily since 18, now 32. Main reason for me is insomnia and anxiety, it keeps my body and mind in a cool place. Feel like a month or two off here and there would be good but I never ever seem to, and life goes along pretty sweet as it is so why worry!!
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Re: quitting weed [Re: Martain]
#27073620 - 12/05/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Day 4 for myself, happy to report so far no real side effects or anything for me. I've been smoking almost every day for a few years, but I only smoke in the evening so my dependence is likely not as strong as a lot of people. The biggest difference for me is I dream way more, which is nice since I love dreaming.
I do enjoy weed, and will not really quit it but it seemed like time to take a break, as I found myself smoking not so much because it was rewarding me and more so out of habit and boredom after work, which can only be a bad thing imo.
Good luck to everybody else, especially those with withdrawal or sleep problems. It's definitely worth it to experience life truly sober, at least from time to time
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Re: quitting weed [Re: Ezuma]
#27073626 - 12/05/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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If I don't smoke, I usually get too hot in bed and have crazy intense dreams, wake up feeling like I haven't slept!
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Re: quitting weed [Re: Martain]
#27073630 - 12/05/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Martain said: If I don't smoke, I usually get too hot in bed and have crazy intense dreams, wake up feeling like I haven't slept!
its possible weed is a healthy part of your life, and just fine (if it doesn't cause you any problems, then why quit I guess) but I think in general its not great to rely on a drug to fulfill basic functions in life like sleeping, unless its absolutely strictly necessary.
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Re: quitting weed [Re: Ezuma]
#27073683 - 12/05/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Martain said: If I don't smoke, I usually get too hot in bed and have crazy intense dreams, wake up feeling like I haven't slept!
This is the withdrawal. Detoxing.
Hot flashes/extra sweaty. REM Rebound.
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Ezuma said: The biggest difference for me is I dream way more, which is nice since I love dreaming.
That is also another side effect of relying on weed to sleep or using it as an aid, it will block your dreams. It does this because with enough thc your brain enters/mimicks the deep sleep state stage before REM. This is why weed puts you to sleep, rather seduces, or makes most people tired if they smoke enough.
The bad thing is, once the weed wares off in the middle of the night your brains natural progression towards REM is never met. It is abruptly disrupted as the chemicals that were producing the effect ware off, you don't fall into REM, rather you either wake up and smoke again to fall back to sleep, or drift around in the deep sleep states before REM.
This is also why when you quit you experience REM-rebound. Sometimes, producing extremely, vivid intense dreams that are far out of the ordinary.
To the people that say they have crazier dreams on cannabis, most likely have not been using it very long, but I am not sure.
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If psychs become legal or I just happen upon them, I will quit weed. I will trip infrequently to treat my issues
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Re: quitting weed [Re: skOsH] 1
#27075128 - 12/06/20 11:41 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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interesting to see most people who quit experience the same set of withdrawal symptoms, at varying degrees of severity. I can say i have experienced most of what you guys talked about. My dreams have been much more vivid, and i often can remember them after waking up. something that never happened when i smoked, if i dreamt at all.
sleep has gotten slightly easier although i do find i wake up more frequently, and i have been experiencing some night sweats. nothing too extreme where id need to change my sheets but i have woken up sweaty a couple of times.
Im happy to report my appetite is SLOWLY coming back. still nothing like when i smoked, but maybe thats normal. i was so used to constantly having the munchies and that is gone. so it may take time to get used to ordinary hunger and what that feels like. i would almost always smoke before meals so i could maximize the calories i took in. that is one thing i definitely miss.
its been about a week since i stopped, although i regret to say i did have a couple puffs off a joint the one night. so i guess i cant say its been a week. but i instantly regretted it afterwards.
when i was smoking i had terrible communication skills, was constantly on edge, didnt give my family the time of day, and was constantly focused on all the negatives in my life but with no motivation to fix any of it. since stopping my relationships with people have improved, i go out of my way to have conversations, i dont particularly enjoy sitting around. amazing how much weed was affecting me negatively. you dont truly see it until you have this post bud clarity. i do hope this thread will help people in the future who are dealing with similar set of issues.
weed can have its place. like anything, its not something that should be consumed on a daily basis IMO. i know there will be people who have different opinions on that and i used to think the same way. thats why opinions are like assholes..we all have them and they all stink!
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good work on laying off the weed, don't worry too much about the 'purity' of your quitting (ie having a couple of puffs) I think a lot of people get too hung up on rigid goals and will be discouraged at every slip up, sometimes so much so that it ruins their resolve. Just keep doing what seems right for you, and it sounds like smoking less is going to help you out whether its 100% or 95% or whatever
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Re: quitting weed [Re: Ezuma]
#27075164 - 12/06/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice, glad to see some positive there
I agree with above, dont beat yourself up.
Reducing instead of quitting cold turkey, whatever works for you and helps you.
Much better than no changes at all
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Re: quitting weed [Re: skOsH]
#27075215 - 12/06/20 12:31 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: It's definitely worth it to experience life truly sober, at least from time to time
Definitely! However, I find that there isn't such thing as "truly sober" when it comes to the state of the consciousness. Yes you can be "truly sober" in a sense of having not consumed any psychoactive substance. But true sobriety can not be found.
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skOsH said: If psychs become legal or I just happen upon them, I will quit weed. I will trip infrequently to treat my issues
I don't get it. You can do that whilst psychs are illegal.
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Re: quitting weed [Re: Ezuma] 1
#27076037 - 12/06/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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you guys are right i shouldnt focus on that and im not going to. im just glad im moving, in what is for me, the right direction
i shouldnt say consuming cannabis regularly is bad for everyone.. for all i know that may help someone in a different set of circumstances. for me it was not.
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