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1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. * 2
    #27072404 - 12/04/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

What would you do if our "government" offered you 1500.00 only if you took their brand new covid vaccine...

In the past I've taken newer RCs... Same idea, right?

I'm honestly not sure if I would actually take that chance though...

You? What about you? Or you? Or even you!

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/12/03/1500-stimulus-checks-for-covid-19-shots-how-one-plan-would-work.html


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Cracked Egg] * 2
    #27072465 - 12/04/20 07:09 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

The government should not have the power to force individuals to put medicines their own bodies. That should be a discussion between the individual and their own doctor and be a freely given choice. We have no idea about what serious possible side effects could come from an RNA vax, and we won't know until years or possibly even decades after its released to the general public. Remember when we thought cigarettes were good for you?

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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Hikeadellic]
    #27072482 - 12/04/20 07:18 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I would take it in a heartbeat. I have to get it anyway. Even if I didn't have to get it, I'd be clamoring to get it as soon as possible. I'd pay decent money to get it. So yeah, if someone offered me fucking money to get it, I would take the money.

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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: morrowasted]
    #27072484 - 12/04/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, I'll get it anyway. Getting and extra $1500 to do it, sign me up.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Cracked Egg] * 3
    #27072503 - 12/04/20 07:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I might be swayed if it was $15,000.00


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Hikeadellic]
    #27072505 - 12/04/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Hikeadellic said:
We have no idea about what serious possible side effects could come from an RNA vax, and we won't know until years or possibly even decades after its released to the general public.




Do you know what possible side effects could come from getting covid, years or decades from now?

I've had quite a few patients develop permanent lung or heart damage.

Anyone who is familiar with biology at a reasonably advanced level can, has been, and is now speculating about what possible side effects could come from an RNA vaccine. When you understand how the machinery of genetic transcription works, how the immune system works, and what the constituents of your vaccine are, you can definitely get an idea what the potential side effects might be. And, having considered them, myself and virtually every other healthcare professional- particularly those who, like me, have been working directly with patients sick and dying from COVID- are more than willing to take our chances.

Simply put, we don't know what your specific chance of getting hurt long term by COVID is, but for sake of discussion, let's say you're young and healthy, and it's 0.5%.

The chance of the vaccine hurting you long term is almost certainly a tiny fraction of that, something like 0.005% or less

This is the case for every disease and its corresponding vaccine

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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: morrowasted]
    #27072521 - 12/04/20 07:40 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

another way to think about it: your life is at risk right now. The government is only offering money to people because they're too dumb to realize just how at risk they are. you would be getting $1500 to reduce your overall risk in life signficantly

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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Cracked Egg]
    #27072525 - 12/04/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Sign me up!


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Hikeadellic]
    #27072545 - 12/04/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

If you don't like it, move to a country where it is non-mandatory... isn't that the same line you use on on 0thers when it comes to stuff you agree with but they disagree.  A really round about way off saying fuck-off.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Hikeadellic] * 1
    #27072549 - 12/04/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Hikeadellic said:
The government should not have the power to force individuals to put medicines their own bodies. That should be a discussion between the individual and their own doctor and be a freely given choice. We have no idea about what serious possible side effects could come from an RNA vax, and we won't know until years or possibly even decades after its released to the general public. Remember when we thought cigarettes were good for you?

Don't let the white coats of today become the brown coats of yesterday




We have a good idea, considering RNA has been included in vaccines for a long time.  The big breakthrough here is this mRNA, which is more targeted than than the higher level RNA ready for translation we have been using.  Typically in medicine the farther downstream you go in the order of effects, the safer, with less side effects you get.

  Look at hydroxycoumarin and Heparin vs LMW heparin.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Ice9]
    #27072552 - 12/04/20 08:05 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I'd take the vaccine. There are known and very real side-effects to COVID19, some severe.

The big pharma companies that developed the vaccine wouldn't put it in massive production and distribution if they thought it could backfire in 10 years, not on this scale. People doing the research to make the vaccines know what to look for and usual side-effects for a given type.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #27072560 - 12/04/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think the government should be dishing out stimulus checks for getting vaccinated, nor do I think the government should require forced vaccination. I'm in favor of requiring vaccination for government jobs, and am in favor of any company legally being able to deny employment on the basis of vaccination in the civilian sector as well. I'm fine with public schools being able to deny attendance for failure to vaccinate (assuming there's no medically valid reason not to) so long as private options exist (which are now omnipresent with online schooling in tandem with existing private schools). I'm also in favor of subsidized vaccination.

I'll be getting vaccinated myself and generally always have, but I think any cultural push to make vaccines mandatory independent of any caveats like workplace necessity is misguided and further entrenches general distrust in vaccination, however misguided that may be. Someone might say fuck people's distrust, hold em down and force it because it's good for them, but you're not doing public perception any favors later down the road when people are starting movements against vaccines which might actually hold water as opposed to being a fringe mentality.

Edited by PatrickKn (12/04/20 08:16 PM)

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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: PatrickKn]
    #27072565 - 12/04/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I agree with you to an extent...but those who don't want vaccinations can always move.  It's been "their line for years, Don't like it here, move" wee right the fuck back at them.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Ice9]
    #27072602 - 12/04/20 08:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I feel completely neutral about the vaccine (surprise!). I'll get it if I feel I need it, won't if don't. For three monkeys, I'd get it now though. I'd feel a little future-proofed, at the very least.

Besides, I've put my life at risk for a lot less. I a bit of a fan actually, when it comes to it.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Cracked Egg]
    #27072641 - 12/04/20 09:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I would obviously take that. I mean, this is a drug site where people do dubious amounts of dubiously sourced chemicals they often don't test in dubious combinations under dubious circumstances and laugh it off when the have a psychotic episode and persisting hallucinations
the odds of really serious side effects from a vaccine like this are -as far as I'm aware- pretty damn small, especially contrasted with the benefit derived plus the small amount of money (an unnecessary addition but sure, I'd take it)
its just weird to me that people here shoot up heroin and then freak out about a vaccine
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Ezuma] * 3
    #27072647 - 12/04/20 09:18 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

haha for real. a person who will boof 3-MeO-PCP they bought from bangladesh but not take a government sponsored vaccine taken by millions of others is a specific kind of special

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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: morrowasted]
    #27072659 - 12/04/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

15k sure

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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: cannabinated]
    #27072661 - 12/04/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

they never gave me the first check

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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Cracked Egg]
    #27072823 - 12/05/20 12:51 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Wait, they're injecting people with $1,500? Can't they just give you the check? :sunny:


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 2
    #27072864 - 12/05/20 02:11 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

I would rather hang myself than take the vaccine. That would be much faster and painless death.

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