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OfflineCracked Egg
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1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. * 2
    #27072404 - 12/04/20 06:28 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

What would you do if our "government" offered you 1500.00 only if you took their brand new covid vaccine...

In the past I've taken newer RCs... Same idea, right?

I'm honestly not sure if I would actually take that chance though...

You? What about you? Or you? Or even you!

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/12/03/1500-stimulus-checks-for-covid-19-shots-how-one-plan-would-work.html


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Cracked Egg] * 2
    #27072465 - 12/04/20 07:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The government should not have the power to force individuals to put medicines their own bodies. That should be a discussion between the individual and their own doctor and be a freely given choice. We have no idea about what serious possible side effects could come from an RNA vax, and we won't know until years or possibly even decades after its released to the general public. Remember when we thought cigarettes were good for you?

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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Hikeadellic]
    #27072482 - 12/04/20 07:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I would take it in a heartbeat. I have to get it anyway. Even if I didn't have to get it, I'd be clamoring to get it as soon as possible. I'd pay decent money to get it. So yeah, if someone offered me fucking money to get it, I would take the money.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: morrowasted]
    #27072484 - 12/04/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, I'll get it anyway. Getting and extra $1500 to do it, sign me up.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Cracked Egg] * 3
    #27072503 - 12/04/20 07:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I might be swayed if it was $15,000.00


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Hikeadellic]
    #27072505 - 12/04/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Hikeadellic said:
We have no idea about what serious possible side effects could come from an RNA vax, and we won't know until years or possibly even decades after its released to the general public.




Do you know what possible side effects could come from getting covid, years or decades from now?

I've had quite a few patients develop permanent lung or heart damage.

Anyone who is familiar with biology at a reasonably advanced level can, has been, and is now speculating about what possible side effects could come from an RNA vaccine. When you understand how the machinery of genetic transcription works, how the immune system works, and what the constituents of your vaccine are, you can definitely get an idea what the potential side effects might be. And, having considered them, myself and virtually every other healthcare professional- particularly those who, like me, have been working directly with patients sick and dying from COVID- are more than willing to take our chances.

Simply put, we don't know what your specific chance of getting hurt long term by COVID is, but for sake of discussion, let's say you're young and healthy, and it's 0.5%.

The chance of the vaccine hurting you long term is almost certainly a tiny fraction of that, something like 0.005% or less

This is the case for every disease and its corresponding vaccine


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: morrowasted]
    #27072521 - 12/04/20 07:40 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

another way to think about it: your life is at risk right now. The government is only offering money to people because they're too dumb to realize just how at risk they are. you would be getting $1500 to reduce your overall risk in life signficantly


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Cracked Egg]
    #27072525 - 12/04/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Sign me up!


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Hikeadellic]
    #27072545 - 12/04/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

If you don't like it, move to a country where it is non-mandatory... isn't that the same line you use on on 0thers when it comes to stuff you agree with but they disagree.  A really round about way off saying fuck-off.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Hikeadellic] * 1
    #27072549 - 12/04/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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The government should not have the power to force individuals to put medicines their own bodies. That should be a discussion between the individual and their own doctor and be a freely given choice. We have no idea about what serious possible side effects could come from an RNA vax, and we won't know until years or possibly even decades after its released to the general public. Remember when we thought cigarettes were good for you?

Don't let the white coats of today become the brown coats of yesterday




We have a good idea, considering RNA has been included in vaccines for a long time.  The big breakthrough here is this mRNA, which is more targeted than than the higher level RNA ready for translation we have been using.  Typically in medicine the farther downstream you go in the order of effects, the safer, with less side effects you get.

  Look at hydroxycoumarin and Heparin vs LMW heparin.


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Edited by Ice9 (12/04/20 08:04 PM)


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Ice9]
    #27072552 - 12/04/20 08:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'd take the vaccine. There are known and very real side-effects to COVID19, some severe.

The big pharma companies that developed the vaccine wouldn't put it in massive production and distribution if they thought it could backfire in 10 years, not on this scale. People doing the research to make the vaccines know what to look for and usual side-effects for a given type.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #27072560 - 12/04/20 08:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think the government should be dishing out stimulus checks for getting vaccinated, nor do I think the government should require forced vaccination. I'm in favor of requiring vaccination for government jobs, and am in favor of any company legally being able to deny employment on the basis of vaccination in the civilian sector as well. I'm fine with public schools being able to deny attendance for failure to vaccinate (assuming there's no medically valid reason not to) so long as private options exist (which are now omnipresent with online schooling in tandem with existing private schools). I'm also in favor of subsidized vaccination.

I'll be getting vaccinated myself and generally always have, but I think any cultural push to make vaccines mandatory independent of any caveats like workplace necessity is misguided and further entrenches general distrust in vaccination, however misguided that may be. Someone might say fuck people's distrust, hold em down and force it because it's good for them, but you're not doing public perception any favors later down the road when people are starting movements against vaccines which might actually hold water as opposed to being a fringe mentality.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: PatrickKn]
    #27072565 - 12/04/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with you to an extent...but those who don't want vaccinations can always move.  It's been "their line for years, Don't like it here, move" wee right the fuck back at them.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Ice9]
    #27072602 - 12/04/20 08:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I feel completely neutral about the vaccine (surprise!). I'll get it if I feel I need it, won't if don't. For three monkeys, I'd get it now though. I'd feel a little future-proofed, at the very least.

Besides, I've put my life at risk for a lot less. I a bit of a fan actually, when it comes to it.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Cracked Egg]
    #27072641 - 12/04/20 09:13 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I would obviously take that. I mean, this is a drug site where people do dubious amounts of dubiously sourced chemicals they often don't test in dubious combinations under dubious circumstances and laugh it off when the have a psychotic episode and persisting hallucinations
the odds of really serious side effects from a vaccine like this are -as far as I'm aware- pretty damn small, especially contrasted with the benefit derived plus the small amount of money (an unnecessary addition but sure, I'd take it)
its just weird to me that people here shoot up heroin and then freak out about a vaccine
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Ezuma] * 3
    #27072647 - 12/04/20 09:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

haha for real. a person who will boof 3-MeO-PCP they bought from bangladesh but not take a government sponsored vaccine taken by millions of others is a specific kind of special


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: morrowasted]
    #27072659 - 12/04/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

15k sure


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: cannabinated]
    #27072661 - 12/04/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

they never gave me the first check


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Cracked Egg]
    #27072823 - 12/05/20 12:51 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Wait, they're injecting people with $1,500? Can't they just give you the check? :sunny:


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 2
    #27072864 - 12/05/20 02:11 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I would rather hang myself than take the vaccine. That would be much faster and painless death.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: manletto]
    #27072909 - 12/05/20 03:54 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

that's nice, manletto. say hi to Ixtab for me, will you?

i'd admit the mRNA type vaccines do make me slightly nervous, only because they're completely new, but vaccines in general are flat out vast orders of magnitudes safer than the diseases they cure. if someone paid me 1500 bucks to protect me against a nasty disease, that's a fuck yeah from me, provided the typical safety protocols have been done.

though i'd prefer to have the german version if possible on this one. just because i'd rather not have anything to do with trump flowing in my veins if i could help it.  :snub:


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Psion]
    #27072978 - 12/05/20 05:59 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Giving numbers for possible side-effects for vaccine that has not been tested for long term side-effects is nothing more than guess.

First injections of these novel vaccines went inside human been in middle of march this year.
So no data about long term side-effects yet.

Edit: first phase 3 trials started at march of these year for any of the vaccines coming in use now.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #27073017 - 12/05/20 07:04 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'll get it for the money.  Then make myself throw up to get it out of system

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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Cracked Egg]
    #27073023 - 12/05/20 07:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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What would you do if our "government" offered you 1500.00 only if you took their brand new covid vaccine...





I'd want to see the ingedients list. If its nothing too experimental, bam, shoot me up, I add some cash and 3 more villages have their own safe drinking water wells.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Asante]
    #27073091 - 12/05/20 08:10 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

At first, I was a solid no... Now, after reading a few responses, I'm still a no, but will definitely consider it down the road.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Cracked Egg]
    #27073125 - 12/05/20 08:34 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I won't take it.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Ice9]
    #27073202 - 12/05/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You are assuming that everyone who has an ethical concern about the vax is a republican telling people "If you don't like it, you can move out!" You are putting words into other peoples mouths.

There are lots of issues with most of the statistics surrounding the virus and the news loves to make it even worse because it gets more clicks that way.

The burden should not fall on the individual to move if they do not want the vax. You have the right to live a normal existence in your country.


What happens when the day comes where everyone has a health passport that prevents them from moving or living a normal live?

What happens when they say that the masks are here to stay even after the vax is available?

This entire time they have been moving the goalposts. With all the fucked up things that the government is responsible for (that the general public is aware of), what makes you think this is the one time that they care about you?

This whole crisis is less about a virus and more about rewriting human culture so it fits in better with the computer.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #27073225 - 12/05/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Giving numbers for possible side-effects for vaccine that has not been tested for long term side-effects is nothing more than guess.

First injections of these novel vaccines went inside human been in middle of march this year.
So no data about long term side-effects yet.

Edit: first phase 3 trials started at march of these year for any of the vaccines coming in use now.




It's more than a guess. Let's say you have a recipe for chocolate cake and you change one ingredient, or slightly change the nature of one ingredient. Your idea of the final cooked cake before actually baking it is more than a guess.

Vaccines have been around for a while. The coronarivus vaccines aren't completely novel.

Most of the components in the vaccines have been around for decades. Researchers know what individual and different combinations of vaccine components usually cause in the body when it comes to short- or long-term side-effects.

There is risk, but the risk can be evaluated. It is not just a guess. It's a very educated, calculated guess.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: RebeccaBlack]
    #27073257 - 12/05/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Mrna vaccines are quite new concept. Were are not taling traditional vaccines here.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: RebeccaBlack]
    #27073266 - 12/05/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Daijo said:
I'd take the vaccine. There are known and very real side-effects to COVID19, some severe.




This.  My only stipulation would be that I want to know if I currently have antibodies.  I figure one way or another everyone is either going to get covid or the vaccine.  Might as well grab that cash while the getting is good.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #27073362 - 12/05/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Mrna vaccines are quite new concept. Were are not taling traditional vaccines here.




It's true this is the first mRNA vaccine.  However, they've been around a while and clinical trials have been going on more than a decade.  They're not quite as groundbreaking as many think.  I'd be curious why they haven't been brought to market previously given their history.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: badchad]
    #27073365 - 12/05/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

i think the protein folding and processing power to model the virus


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #27073418 - 12/05/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I would obviously take that. I mean, this is a drug site where people do dubious amounts of dubiously sourced chemicals they often don't test in dubious combinations under dubious circumstances and laugh it off when the have a psychotic episode and persisting hallucinations
the odds of really serious side effects from a vaccine like this are -as far as I'm aware- pretty damn small, especially contrasted with the benefit derived plus the small amount of money (an unnecessary addition but sure, I'd take it)
its just weird to me that people here shoot up heroin and then freak out about a vaccine
:smokinacandycane:



Lookup Pfizer.  They've paid out billions of dollars because of negligence, bribery, killing people in trials, etc. 


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Billy Ray]
    #27073629 - 12/05/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I don't doubt corporate negligence when it comes to the pharmaceutical industry (or any number of other industries, capitalism is poison) but there is a difference between prescription opiods and benzos and a vaccine. Find me an epidemic of flu shot deaths if you (can) like, but I'm not convinced the two are comparable.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 1
    #27073653 - 12/05/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Edit: first phase 3 trials started at march of these year for any of the vaccines coming in use now.




How tf did anything get to phase 3 by march?

There's no longitudinal data. At all...and I would might have less long term effects if my body just beat it. I would rather not have to get shot up with something that will make me sick....just like the flu shot I can't handle

If I die, I die. Everyone who gets vaccinated can't get sick from me.

Thst's the whole point of vaccines

Idk how I feel about having three war criminals and mass murderers "taking it" on canera. Yep, sounds totally legit


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: skOsH] * 1
    #27073698 - 12/05/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Edit: first phase 3 trials started at march of these year for any of the vaccines coming in use now.

How tf did anything get to phase 3 by march?

There's no longitudinal data. At all...and I would might have less long term effects if my body just beat it.




I'd guess they took the risk and generated their safety data in parallel vs. sequentially.  The longitudinal data are irrelevant, there are never longitudinal data prior to approval.  Pfizer is publicly presenting their data Thursday, so we'll see.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: skOsH] * 1
    #27073729 - 12/05/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Edit: first phase 3 trials started at march of these year for any of the vaccines coming in use now.




How tf did anything get to phase 3 by march?

There's no longitudinal data. At all...and I would might have less long term effects if my body just beat it. I would rather not have to get shot up with something that will make me sick....just like the flu shot I can't handle

If I die, I die. Everyone who gets vaccinated can't get sick from me.

Thst's the whole point of vaccines

Idk how I feel about having three war criminals and mass murderers "taking it" on canera. Yep, sounds totally legit



Clinton, Bush and Obama would never lie to us.

I believe Bill Gates said the vaccine would have to be taken multiple times and there's an 80% chance you may have complications after each dose.  A Philadelphia Priest died shortly after taking the vaccine in a clinical trial.

The fact that people are trying to tie the vaccine to a stimulus check in a time where people need money is disgusting.


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    #27073736 - 12/05/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't doubt corporate negligence when it comes to the pharmaceutical industry (or any number of other industries, capitalism is poison) but there is a difference between prescription opiods and benzos and a vaccine. Find me an epidemic of flu shot deaths if you (can) like, but I'm not convinced the two are comparable.




Look up H1N1 Fraud
The last so called pandemia declared by WHO

This is Finnish prime minister openly speaking about H1N1 fraud aka the last "global pandemia":

https://www.sannamarin.net/blogi/2010/08/10/34342/?page2=#.X4f6Fcm51JZ.facebook

That’s from 7 years ago

"(Published in Debat 3/2010)

Now we finally find out: there was really no swine flu threat. At least not to the extent that the media, politicians and medical professionals warned of the dangers of the threat. But who benefited from maintaining the hysteria fuelled by piglets' suffering and pigtails?

Vaccine manufacturers alone received a wallet of EUR 100 million thicker from Finland for vaccines, the effectiveness of which is poorly evidenced of health quality and status. At European level, the cost of pig vaccination is in the billions. Fear and threat have always been effective marketing methods, and under the pretext of these it is easy to sell a piece of security to the people. When mass hysteria reaches its pain point, there is no longer any place for reason or matter in public debate. Decision-making becomes the oars of appeasing a ungient population. The word "what if" is one of the most effective magic words justifying reckless spending. The curtain drops and the pharmaceutical industry bows to the brainless sheep that can be found in the stands.

Every year, the pharmaceutical industry transports our doctors quite generously to various seminars and training events around the world. For example, dozens of seminar invitations of this kind are accepted annually to the Human Resources Division of the Tampere City Board. This is possible because it benefits both travel publishers and recipients. Pharmaceutical companies get their message through and perhaps a more sympathetic attitude towards their products, i.e. more money in the long run, free training for their doctors, and doctors gain experience, knowledge and a sense of importance from their travels. The situation can also be justified from the point of view of the customer's benefits: even the sick receive thousands of euros worth of more professional help for their ailments. However, the ethics of the action can also be easily questioned. "Bribes" always have their prices and ultimately the bill is paid by consumers in the form of pharmaceutical prices and distorted competition and supply.

The pharmaceutical industry is one of the most influential political reference groups today and operates on the same paper fuel as any capitalist institution – money. While rich Western countries are being incensed with erectile and lifestyle medicines, there is not enough will for developing countries, even from the point of view of historical development, to have the simplest medicines and vaccines. Finland's 100 million pig vaccination money would have made it possible to prevent countless child deaths in developing countries. Another option would have been to put the money into preventive social work, substance abuse and health education in Finland. These, if any, are real "what if" worthy resource items. Perhaps we will still have fairness in the spending of money once the people get behind a multibillion-dollar lobbying machine to anoint decision-makers?"

This is the new lawsuit against corona false pandemia in Germany(global case) Finland, Belgium and Canada in nutshell and what it is based on. Bet American corporation media does not speak about this:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/zwWgmJKq9UIl/


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    #27074068 - 12/05/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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You are assuming that everyone who has an ethical concern about the vax is a republican telling people "If you don't like it, you can move out!" You are putting words into other peoples mouths.

There are lots of issues with most of the statistics surrounding the virus and the news loves to make it even worse because it gets more clicks that way.

The burden should not fall on the individual to move if they do not want the vax. You have the right to live a normal existence in your country.


What happens when the day comes where everyone has a health passport that prevents them from moving or living a normal live?

What happens when they say that the masks are here to stay even after the vax is available?

This entire time they have been moving the goalposts. With all the fucked up things that the government is responsible for (that the general public is aware of), what makes you think this is the one time that they care about you?

This whole crisis is less about a virus and more about rewriting human culture so it fits in better with the computer.



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    #27074109 - 12/05/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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    #27074122 - 12/05/20 07:25 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I have always said to friends, I never like to be associated publicly with people who do drugs. Not necessarily because of the drugs, but for fucks sake drug users are like 90%+ really fucking stupid people.

Proof? See the 15 threads about COVID and how chock full they are of kooks talking about how dangerous vaccines can be. Yet I haven't seen a single analysis of previous vaccines and their side effect profile. Instead there's talk about Alprazolam and Opiates being marketed as nonaddictive.

:trololol:

I feel like I'm on a mom Facebook group and someone is going to tell me I just need to rub some peppermint oil because that's going to protect me from COVID.


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    #27074152 - 12/05/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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The government should not have the power to force individuals to put medicines their own bodies. That should be a discussion between the individual and their own doctor and be a freely given choice. We have no idea about what serious possible side effects could come from an RNA vax, and we won't know until years or possibly even decades after its released to the general public. Remember when we thought cigarettes were good for you?

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    #27074154 - 12/05/20 07:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: metalfaith]
    #27074159 - 12/05/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I have always said to friends, I never like to be associated publicly with people who do drugs. Not necessarily because of the drugs, but for fucks sake drug users are like 90%+ really fucking stupid people.

Proof? See the 15 threads about COVID and how chock full they are of kooks talking about how dangerous vaccines can be. Yet I haven't seen a single analysis of previous vaccines and their side effect profile. Instead there's talk about Alprazolam and Opiates being marketed as nonaddictive.

:trololol:

I feel like I'm on a mom Facebook group and someone is going to tell me I just need to rub some peppermint oil because that's going to protect me from COVID.




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    #27074162 - 12/05/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I would obviously take that. I mean, this is a drug site where people do dubious amounts of dubiously sourced chemicals they often don't test in dubious combinations under dubious circumstances and laugh it off when the have a psychotic episode and persisting hallucinations
the odds of really serious side effects from a vaccine like this are -as far as I'm aware- pretty damn small, especially contrasted with the benefit derived plus the small amount of money (an unnecessary addition but sure, I'd take it)
its just weird to me that people here shoot up heroin and then freak out about a vaccine
:smokinacandycane:



Lookup Pfizer.  They've paid out billions of dollars because of negligence, bribery, killing people in trials, etc. 



So have car companies but I don't see most people avoiding their products


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    #27074189 - 12/05/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Just gimme that money, shoot me up with the vaccine.

$1500 to do something I'd do for free is great. Could finish my shed extension with that money, and significantly reduce my chance of getting sick too. Fucken ay!


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    #27074288 - 12/05/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Edit: first phase 3 trials started at march of these year for any of the vaccines coming in use now.




How tf did anything get to phase 3 by march?

There's no longitudinal data. At all...and I would might have less long term effects if my body just beat it. I would rather not have to get shot up with something that will make me sick....just like the flu shot I can't handle

If I die, I die. Everyone who gets vaccinated can't get sick from me.

Thst's the whole point of vaccines

Idk how I feel about having three war criminals and mass murderers "taking it" on canera. Yep, sounds totally legit




the problem is that not everyone is able to get vaccinated. some people are unable to, due to allergies in the ingredients used in the vaccine, for instance. or sometimes there's simply not enough vaccines to go around yet. i'm not sure but i think pregnant women aren't supposed to get vaccinated either?

there's reasons why you can't just make it "your body, your choice" here. your choice directly endangers the lives of those who are literally unable to get the vaccine due to reasons beyond their control, even if they want to get the vaccine, because it could kill them (not the vaccine itself, but a normally innocent ingredient like egg protein used in flu shots - though this particular vaccine doesn't use egg protein), or because it could endanger their unborn child. that said, i believe this vaccine is also safe for pregnant women - again, it varies by vaccine, because different viruses attack the body in different ways. (plus there's different methods involved - some use weakened viruses, others use dead virus bits, etc)

gods, people acting like such sissies. ID RATHER DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH OF COVID OR AT LEAST LIKELY SUFFER DECADES OF SCARRING IN THE LUNGS AND HEART FROM COVID THAN A TINY INFINITESIMALLY POSSIBLY MAYBE HYPOTHETICALLY (MAYBE?) CHANCE OF GETTING SICK OR DYING FROM A NEW VACCINE! (years down the road because the phase 3 trials are cleared)

like really now. you'd have better odds at winning the grand prize on the mega millions ticket. thrice:rolleyes:


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Psion]
    #27074297 - 12/05/20 10:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Hell no. $1500 ain't shit. All I want is the extra federal unemployment benefits.


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    #27074355 - 12/05/20 11:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I would obviously take that. I mean, this is a drug site where people do dubious amounts of dubiously sourced chemicals they often don't test in dubious combinations under dubious circumstances and laugh it off when the have a psychotic episode and persisting hallucinations
the odds of really serious side effects from a vaccine like this are -as far as I'm aware- pretty damn small, especially contrasted with the benefit derived plus the small amount of money (an unnecessary addition but sure, I'd take it)
its just weird to me that people here shoot up heroin and then freak out about a vaccine
:smokinacandycane:



Lookup Pfizer.  They've paid out billions of dollars because of negligence, bribery, killing people in trials, etc. 



So have car companies but I don't see most people avoiding their products



Car companies aren't rushing a car to the market in order to lower driving deaths because they made a deal with the government.


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    #27074370 - 12/05/20 11:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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gods, people acting like such sissies. ID RATHER DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH OF COVID OR AT LEAST LIKELY SUFFER DECADES OF SCARRING IN THE LUNGS AND HEART FROM COVID THAN A TINY INFINITESIMALLY POSSIBLY MAYBE HYPOTHETICALLY (MAYBE?) CHANCE OF GETTING SICK OR DYING FROM A NEW VACCINE!



Even worse than that, IMO, is the 'me me me' attitude displayed. Whatever happened to standing together, to looking out for one another, being concerned for a making small sacrifices for the good and well-being of others?

Instead it's 'I would rather hang myself than make a sacrifice for the good of others'. Because that's what I've seen, time after time, from a reasonably small (thankfully) yet undeniably ever present demographic of (IMO) ugly people. 'Here's 10,000 reasons that I have to not wear a mask, and they're all more important than wearing it to protect other people'. 'I shouldn't have to change anything that I do to protect others - no - they should all stay inside and suffer the difficulties and suffering of doing so if they're concerned for their health'. Or 'I refuse to use a time tested method that has been proven to effectively ERADICATE diseases from the face of the earth, because <INSERT SELFISH REASON HERE>.

You know, back when all this first started, I remember many times feeling, hoping, and saying that I hope that this thing brings out some good in us; that it brings us together as a species, that it makes us realize some of the things we take for granted, and that we all pull together to fight a common enemy (the disease).

Doesn't seem to have done much of any of that though does it?


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #27074383 - 12/05/20 11:33 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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gods, people acting like such sissies. ID RATHER DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH OF COVID OR AT LEAST LIKELY SUFFER DECADES OF SCARRING IN THE LUNGS AND HEART FROM COVID THAN A TINY INFINITESIMALLY POSSIBLY MAYBE HYPOTHETICALLY (MAYBE?) CHANCE OF GETTING SICK OR DYING FROM A NEW VACCINE!



Even worse than that, IMO, is the 'me me me' attitude displayed. Whatever happened to standing together, to looking out for one another, being concerned for a making small sacrifices for the good and well-being of others?

Instead it's 'I would rather hang myself than make a sacrifice for the good of others'. Because that's what I've seen, time after time, from a reasonably small (thankfully) yet undeniably ever present demographic of (IMO) ugly people. 'Here's 10,000 reasons that I have to not wear a mask, and they're all more important than wearing it to protect other people'. 'I shouldn't have to change anything that I do to protect others - no - they should all stay inside and suffer the difficulties and suffering of doing so if they're concerned for their health'. Or 'I refuse to use a time tested method that has been proven to effectively ERADICATE diseases from the face of the earth, because <INSERT SELFISH REASON HERE>.

You know, back when all this first started, I remember many times feeling, hoping, and saying that I hope that this thing brings out some good in us; that it brings us together as a species, that it makes us realize some of the things we take for granted.

Doesn't seem to have done much of any of that though does it?



People stopped watching out for each other a long long long ass time ago. Probably the 90s. During the two years I was living out of my car not a single goddamn person offered me a fucking sofa to sleep on. I'm somebody who keeps a clean look, I always had a gym membership to take showers at and I took care of myself. If I were in the same situation in the 90s, tons of people would be offering me a sofa to sleep on. Humanity is completely fucking doomed. The golden years are long gone. People are more selfish now than they have ever been in the entire history of human beings. this pandemic shed to light who all of the most selfish people are. Fucking toilet paper hoarding is the best any of these idiots can do. Completely fucking selfish. Yeah right let's just buy 10 years worth of fucking toilet paper.

Yeah I also told myself that I really hope this pandemic would bring out the best in people or at least bring about some much-needed change but look what happened, absolutely fucking nothing. I so cannot believe how fucking stupid the general population is, actually I can believe it. What I was really really really hoping for was some change to the goddamn workforce. Instead of getting together to change the workforce, all people bitched about was not being able to go to work and not being able to make money. Seriously? Seriously? That's the best these fucking idiots can do? Yeah let's all just fucking go back to work without doing anything else. Nobody learned a goddamn thing throughout this entire pandemic. And that so pisses me off. I don't even want to be part of this planet. The only thing there is to look forward to anymore is that every day brings me closer to my death.

Remember how in March and April when there was absolutely no traffic on the roads? I'm surprised nobody wanted that to last forever except for me. For a bunch of pathetic Americans who all mostly hate their jobs, they sure want to go to work badly. I don't care about the fucking economy I just want to see some goddamn change in the fucking workforce.


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    #27074430 - 12/06/20 12:28 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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What happens when the day comes where everyone has a health passport that prevents them from moving or living a normal live?



You mean like when you can't travel to certain countries unless you have specific vaccinations? Can't imagine what that life would be like.


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    #27074513 - 12/06/20 02:48 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I have always said to friends, I never like to be associated publicly with people who do drugs. Not necessarily because of the drugs, but for fucks sake drug users are like 90%+ really fucking stupid people.

Proof? See the 15 threads about COVID and how chock full they are of kooks talking about how dangerous vaccines can be. Yet I haven't seen a single analysis of previous vaccines and their side effect profile. Instead there's talk about Alprazolam and Opiates being marketed as nonaddictive.

:trololol:

I feel like I'm on a mom Facebook group and someone is going to tell me I just need to rub some peppermint oil because that's going to protect me from COVID.




Point: There is long history of big pharma doing everything possible just to make dollar. Now it has suddenly changed motive behind pushing new durgs and vaccines?

Syklon B came from these same guys.

Everybody in these threads stating that the new vaccine is going to be safe and effective is speaking out of their arse. In reality we dont know that yet because clinical trials were run on warp speed.


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    #27074569 - 12/06/20 04:44 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Hell no. $1500 ain't shit.




The risk of dying of covid vaccine ain't shit.

The risk of complications, ask Morrowasted, from contracting COVID is completely shitty.


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    #27074576 - 12/06/20 04:54 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Point: There is long history of big pharma doing everything possible just to make dollar. Now it has suddenly changed motive behind pushing new durgs and vaccines?

Syklon B came from these same guys.






Fritz Haber, the German Imperial World War 1 poison gas guru, developed Zyklon B as a fumigant for DEGESCH, the German pesticide conglomerate, the hydrogen cyanide was mostly prepared by Kolin Kaliwerke from byproducts of the beet sugar industry, linking the sugar of the Reich with the Holocaust and the final packaging and distribution to the area east of the Elbe, including most death camps, was by Tesch & Stabenow, TESTA, who also made the Nazi officer suicide capsules that Hitler took a bite of right before blowing his brain out. So, the poison for the Nazi officers suicide capsules was the same poison from the same production line as the odorant-free gas intended for the Krematoria of Auschwitz, Majdanek etc.
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    #27074585 - 12/06/20 05:01 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Asante what is your opinion that this novel vaccine was not tested on the groups it is supposed to protect?

Aka people with conditions like diabetes, asthma, cancer, overweight.
But on healthy, fit specimens?

To me this is cherry picking when doing the clinical trials.


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First you test the healthy, then the compromised.


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    #27074622 - 12/06/20 05:36 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

These vaccines go in use before tests on risk groups are done.


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    #27074694 - 12/06/20 07:04 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Does asante just copy paste wiki pages? I mean..


The knotted pile carpet probably originated in the Caspian Sea area (Northern Iran) or the Armenian Highland. Although there is evidence of goats and sheep being sheared for wool and hair which was spun and woven as far back at the 7th millennium, the earliest surviving pile carpet is the "Pazyryk carpet", which dates from the 5th-4th century BC. It was excavated by Sergei Ivanovich Rudenko in 1949 from a Pazyryk burial mound in the Altai Mountains in Siberia. This richly coloured carpet is 200 x 183 cm (6'6" x 6'0") and framed by a border of griffins.

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    #27074882 - 12/06/20 09:41 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't doubt corporate negligence when it comes to the pharmaceutical industry (or any number of other industries, capitalism is poison) but there is a difference between prescription opiods and benzos and a vaccine. Find me an epidemic of flu shot deaths if you (can) like, but I'm not convinced the two are comparable.




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    #27074890 - 12/06/20 09:44 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I would take it in a heartbeat. I have to get it anyway. Even if I didn't have to get it, I'd be clamoring to get it as soon as possible. I'd pay decent money to get it. So yeah, if someone offered me fucking money to get it, I would take the money.




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    #27074900 - 12/06/20 09:48 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

H1N1 vaccine caused 700 cases of narcolepsia in Europe to children


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    #27074947 - 12/06/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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gods, people acting like such sissies. ID RATHER DIE A HORRIBLE DEATH OF COVID OR AT LEAST LIKELY SUFFER DECADES OF SCARRING IN THE LUNGS AND HEART FROM COVID THAN A TINY INFINITESIMALLY POSSIBLY MAYBE HYPOTHETICALLY (MAYBE?) CHANCE OF GETTING SICK OR DYING FROM A NEW VACCINE!



Even worse than that, IMO, is the 'me me me' attitude displayed. Whatever happened to standing together, to looking out for one another, being concerned for a making small sacrifices for the good and well-being of others?

Instead it's 'I would rather hang myself than make a sacrifice for the good of others'. Because that's what I've seen, time after time, from a reasonably small (thankfully) yet undeniably ever present demographic of (IMO) ugly people. 'Here's 10,000 reasons that I have to not wear a mask, and they're all more important than wearing it to protect other people'. 'I shouldn't have to change anything that I do to protect others - no - they should all stay inside and suffer the difficulties and suffering of doing so if they're concerned for their health'. Or 'I refuse to use a time tested method that has been proven to effectively ERADICATE diseases from the face of the earth, because <INSERT SELFISH REASON HERE>.

You know, back when all this first started, I remember many times feeling, hoping, and saying that I hope that this thing brings out some good in us; that it brings us together as a species, that it makes us realize some of the things we take for granted, and that we all pull together to fight a common enemy (the disease).

Doesn't seem to have done much of any of that though does it?




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    #27074953 - 12/06/20 10:16 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I have always said to friends, I never like to be associated publicly with people who do drugs. Not necessarily because of the drugs, but for fucks sake drug users are like 90%+ really fucking stupid people.

Proof? See the 15 threads about COVID and how chock full they are of kooks talking about how dangerous vaccines can be. Yet I haven't seen a single analysis of previous vaccines and their side effect profile. Instead there's talk about Alprazolam and Opiates being marketed as nonaddictive.

:trololol:

I feel like I'm on a mom Facebook group and someone is going to tell me I just need to rub some peppermint oil because that's going to protect me from COVID.





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    #27074961 - 12/06/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't doubt corporate negligence when it comes to the pharmaceutical industry (or any number of other industries, capitalism is poison) but there is a difference between prescription opiods and benzos and a vaccine. Find me an epidemic of flu shot deaths if you (can) like, but I'm not convinced the two are comparable.




bill gates killed like 40k kids with a malaria vaccine




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    #27074962 - 12/06/20 10:20 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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    #27074971 - 12/06/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

thats just one vaccine and theyve put out dozens for testing on brown babies

free RnD, for the us government

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    #27074975 - 12/06/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Vaccines infect you with the virus in a "safe" way, either with a live or dead virus. Your body reacts to the infection and creates anti bodies.

I caught the virus, my body reacted to the virus and it created antibodies etc and did all the things the body does to beat the virus.

Who here thinks I need a vaccine?


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    #27074980 - 12/06/20 10:27 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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It's why we can't have nice things



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    #27074987 - 12/06/20 10:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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BMGF has funded two organizations that over the past five years have played a significant role in the country’s immunization programme and are both under fire for conflict of interest. The organizations are GAVI (earlier known as Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization), a global aid organization that specializes in vaccination, and Public Health Foundation of India (PHFI), a public-private partnership society that BMGF co-founded with the UPA government in 2006.Activists allege that these two institutions have a working relationship with pharma companies. The main charge against GAVI is that it has representatives from pharmaceutical companies on its board while the PHFI accepts grants from pharma companies. “BMGF and GAVI are pushing the [vaccine] agenda with governments around the world, including India,” says Ritu Priya Mehrotra, professor of Social Medicine and Community Health and School of Social Sciences, Jawaharlal Nehru University, Delhi. The community health activist says the biotechnology industry was pushing more and more vaccines into India and that the health ministry was not ensuring that adequate testing was done before recommending their use in government programmes.




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    #27074999 - 12/06/20 10:35 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

When I was little my mom worked somewhere that had group health insurance. A brown blackish like spot appeared on my moms shoulder, she use to use tanning beds for a year or 2 at the time.

She thought it looked like cancer and went to the group health dr's, they told her it was nothing.

After many years of multiple appointments of this spot growing and growing larger and larger and the group health doctors telling her it was nothing it finally got the diameter of a softball.

It was so big and obviously cancer that it was undeniable and at this point the dr just couldn't do what group health wanted him to do which was say it was nothing and he biopsied it, it came back as cancer.

It could have been removed when it was just a small speck when my mom first noticed it, but now she had to have a large chunk of her shoulder removed.

Group health's nick name was group death. Group health is now know as kaiser permanente.

pfizer and kaiser permanente are the ones making the vaccine. Isn't that just wonderful?


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    #27075038 - 12/06/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

that would be super dope if true

it would still blow my mind if it turned out to be the case that 1 in every 3 americans has had COVID but somehow I, after having been continually exposed for months, have not had COVID.

but I guess it's possible. would mean the virus is far more contagious but far less deadly than originally estimated. if true, still a really nasty virus given the specific combination of these two attributes. 300k deaths in a year despite mitigation efforts is nothing to scoff at


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    #27075042 - 12/06/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Vaccines infect you with the virus in a "safe" way, either with a live or dead virus.


Just as a side note, this one does not work in either of those ways. There is no virus whatsover


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    #27075045 - 12/06/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You more than likely already had it and beat it very fast with your immune system. They now estimate 57% of people who catch it get absolutely no symptoms at all, no loss of taste or anything, they catch it and their body is just like lol weak virus and beats its ass and have no idea they ever had it, which is why the estimates are now that about 1/3 people so far have had it.


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    #27075050 - 12/06/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Vaccines infect you with the virus in a "safe" way, either with a live or dead virus.


Just as a side note, this one does not work in either of those ways. There is no virus whatsover




Ok then how does it work? Because I am quite sure that there is no vaccine that works any other way so please enlighten me.


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    #27075052 - 12/06/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I've been getting tested every week since like june

If I got virus in me it can't have been enough to develop antibodies or the test would have picked it up. it's possible i've had some virus get in my system here and there and get knocked out by my innate immunity really quickly, but in that case I do not have covid antibodies.


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    #27075053 - 12/06/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Oh look here is the CDC saying I am right
"mRNA vaccines contain material from the virus that causes COVID-19 that gives our cells instructions for how to make a harmless protein that is unique to the virus. After our cells make copies of the protein, they destroy the genetic material from the vaccine. Our bodies recognize that the protein should not be there and build T-lymphocytes and B-lymphocytes that will remember how to fight the virus that causes COVID-19 if we are infected in the future.
Protein subunit vaccines include harmless pieces (proteins) of the virus that cause COVID-19 instead of the entire germ. Once vaccinated, our immune system recognizes that the proteins don’t belong in the body and begins making T-lymphocytes and antibodies. If we are ever infected in the future, memory cells will recognize and fight the virus.
Vector vaccines contain a weakened version of a live virus—a different virus than the one that causes COVID-19—that has genetic material from the virus that causes COVID-19 inserted in it (this is called a viral vector). Once the viral vector is inside our cells, the genetic material gives cells instructions to make a protein that is unique to the virus that causes COVID-19. Using these instructions, our cells make copies of the protein. This prompts our bodies to build T-lymphocytes and B-lymphocytes that will remember how to fight that virus if we are infected in the future."
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    #27075055 - 12/06/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I've been getting tested every week since like june

If I got virus in me it can't have been enough to develop antibodies or the test would have picked it up. it's possible i've had some virus get in my system here and there and get knocked out by my innate immunity really quickly, but in that case I do not have covid antibodies.




Doesn't matter the tests are bullshit my wife works in a nursing home and people who ended up not having the virus test positive all the time and people who tested negative ended up having the virus all along, most test are flawed mass produced garbage and if you work in a hospital I am shocked you haven't figured this out yet.


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    #27075059 - 12/06/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Vaccines infect you with the virus in a "safe" way, either with a live or dead virus.


Just as a side note, this one does not work in either of those ways. There is no virus whatsover




Ok then how does it work? Because I am quite sure that there is no vaccine that works any other way so please enlighten me.



this type of vaccine just uses a piece of genetic material that, after it is injected into you, goes into your cell, where your cell uses it to make and release a certain type of protein into your system. this protein gets sensed by your immune system, and in response, your immune system makes antibodies that have the right shape to bind to and disable SARS-CoV-2.

previously they would extract the proteins from the viruses, or just kill the virus itself, like you said, but now your own body will be making the proteins from genetic material. the mRNA isn't actually taken out of viruses, they just use the viral mRNA as a blueprint for synthesizing it

theoretically it should be very effective and, unlike other vaccines, does not require the use of adjuvants, which is something antivaxxers like to bitch about. i somehow doubt that this will appease them though


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: budmanman]
    #27075060 - 12/06/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

N95 masks are rated to keep out 95% of virus particles and covid is transmitted through larger aerosols

theres no chance of u catching it at work, at least with ppe in a negative pressure setting


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    #27075065 - 12/06/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Link doesn't show paper or calculations he used to 8 for every 1 diagnosed... so take that article with a heaping tablespoon of salt, as it is wishful thinking.


mRNA vaccines have never been tried so there was plenty of skepticism in the science community if they would work and would they yield a useful efficacy rate.  Those concerns have been put to bed, and the future a vaccines ins mRNA for positive sense RNA virus'.


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    #27075066 - 12/06/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You are gonna need to site a source because it sounds like you read something and completely miss interpreted it.


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    #27075070 - 12/06/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Vaccines infect you with the virus in a "safe" way, either with a live or dead virus.


Just as a side note, this one does not work in either of those ways. There is no virus whatsover




Ok then how does it work? Because I am quite sure that there is no vaccine that works any other way so please enlighten me.



this type of vaccine just uses a piece of genetic material that, after it is injected into you, goes into your cell, where your cell uses it to make and release a certain type of protein into your system. this protein gets sensed by your immune system, and in response, your immune system makes antibodies that have the right shape to bind to and disable SARS-CoV-2.

previously they would extract the proteins from the viruses, or just kill the virus itself, like you said, but now your own body will be making the proteins from genetic material. the mRNA isn't actually taken out of viruses, they just use the viral mRNA as a blueprint for synthesizing it

theoretically it should be very effective and, unlike other vaccines, does not require the use of adjuvants, which is something antivaxxers like to bitch about. i somehow doubt that this will appease them though




You are gonna need to site a source because it sounds like you read something and completely miss interpreted it.


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    #27075073 - 12/06/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I've been getting tested every week since like june

If I got virus in me it can't have been enough to develop antibodies or the test would have picked it up. it's possible i've had some virus get in my system here and there and get knocked out by my innate immunity really quickly, but in that case I do not have covid antibodies.




Doesn't matter the tests are bullshit my wife works in a nursing home and people who ended up not having the virus test positive all the time and people who tested negative ended up having the virus all along, most test are flawed mass produced garbage and if you work in a hospital I am shocked you haven't figured this out yet.



The PCR test is quite accurate

occasionally some bimbo doesn't do the test right but if you have a good sample, the chance of getting a false negative is pretty miniscule.


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    #27075075 - 12/06/20 11:11 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Link doesn't show paper or calculations he used to 8 for every 1 diagnosed... so take that article with a heaping tablespoon of salt, as it is wishful thinking.




Why would I take it with a grain of salt when literally hundreds of outlets are all reporting the same thing?

"The number of coronavirus infections in the U.S. could be nearly eight times higher than current reported cases, according to a new model by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Between Feb. 27 and Sept. 30, there were nearly 6.9 million laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infections, but when researchers adjusted for potential false-negative test results, incomplete reporting of cases and asymptomatic or mildly ill individuals who never got tested, they learned there may have actually been about 52.9 million infections.

That means only 13% of total infections were identified and reported, the team said in their paper published Nov. 25 in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases."

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    #27075079 - 12/06/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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You are gonna need to site a source because it sounds like you read something and completely miss interpreted it.



funny because that is precisely what you did. you read this

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mRNA vaccines contain material from the virus that causes COVID-19



and thought it meant the mRNA they inject into you literally comes out of a virus. to be fair, it's an understandable misreading of that sentence

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One of the main benefits of mRNA vaccines is that they are relatively easy to crank out. Cells aren't necessary. Instead, everything can be done quickly in test tubes using a handful of chemicals (the "letters" that make up RNA, which are A, U, C, and G) and an enzyme. The resulting mRNA molecules can then be packaged into tiny fat bubbles and injected into the patient.




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    #27075081 - 12/06/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

so you would jump off a bridge if many major media outlets told you it was the shit?


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    #27075087 - 12/06/20 11:17 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not saying that there isn't/has not been vaccine issues.

But an honest and appropriate skeptical perspective of the vaccines safety would be citing and quoting adverse effects from previous vaccines, not whatabout-ing with random shit like oxycodone and alprazolam or how the media hyped H1N1 or something.

Then we could go the details of what made said vaccine (in this case polio) dangerous and how we have gotten drastically better at making vaccines.


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    #27075093 - 12/06/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Link doesn't show paper or calculations he used to 8 for every 1 diagnosed... so take that article with a heaping tablespoon of salt, as it is wishful thinking.




Why would I take it with a grain of salt when literally hundreds of outlets are all reporting the same thing?

"The number of coronavirus infections in the U.S. could be nearly eight times higher than current reported cases, according to a new model by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Between Feb. 27 and Sept. 30, there were nearly 6.9 million laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infections, but when researchers adjusted for potential false-negative test results, incomplete reporting of cases and asymptomatic or mildly ill individuals who never got tested, they learned there may have actually been about 52.9 million infections.

That means only 13% of total infections were identified and reported, the team said in their paper published Nov. 25 in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases."

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article247457275.html




From your paper
"In other words, about 84% of the U.S. population has yet to contract the coronavirus, “and thus most of the country remains at risk, despite already high rates of hospitalization,” the CDC researchers said."

Also from your paper

"Between Feb. 27 and Sept. 30, there were nearly 6.9 million laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infections, but when researchers adjusted for potential false-negative test results, incomplete reporting of cases and asymptomatic or mildly ill individuals who never got tested, they learned there may have actually been about 52.9 million infections."

I looked  online for the original CDC work, and surprise surprise, couldn't find the equation and assumptions, nor the justifications for those assumptions.  Not surprising coming from a Trump CDC.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Ice9]
    #27075100 - 12/06/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Hey, here is something that should blow your minds.  RNA adjuvants that are active are already in many vaccines.  Sold by Dicerna as a way to improve efficacy of a vaccine, and guess what, it works.  Difference is it is DS RNA that does not replicate any known viral RNA, where as the mRNA does mimic viral RNA to be translated to a particular protein of covid,. thus creating an immune response with 0 chance of being infected by covid.


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    #27075105 - 12/06/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not saying that there isn't/has not been vaccine issues.

But an honest and appropriate skeptical perspective of the vaccines safety would be citing and quoting adverse effects from previous vaccines, not whatabout-ing with random shit like oxycodone and alprazolam or how the media hyped H1N1 or something.

Then we could go the details of what made said vaccine (in this case polio) dangerous and how we have gotten drastically better at making vaccines.


For real. The form of the argument is basically the same as, "People who called themselves doctors used trick mothers into to getting themselves and their babies hooked on morphine, therefore you can't trust anyone who calls themselves a doctor today."


There was a 3 year period where street acid wasn't trustworthy because of all of the 25i-nBOME going around.

Clearly anyone taking LSD these days has realized that it makes no sense at all to judge what's safe/right in every single scenario where paper tabs are involved based on the fact that there was a period of time where you couldn't trust paper tabs.

That's because if you want to know the truth about any particular question, you have to actually investigate the answer to the question.

Invoking the past is basically just saying, "Eh, I've already answered this question."

Which almost always represents a failure to distinguish between two different questions.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Ice9]
    #27075108 - 12/06/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

there might be some genetic anomalies tho... just calling random proteins harmless cause they didnt effect a certain population doesnt mean much

the content of the mRNA does


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    #27075112 - 12/06/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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It's why we can't have nice things



I don't follow?



I meant we're so obsessed with the idea that we are atomized individuals in north america, we largely shun the notion of community involvement, participating in anything bigger than ourselves or doing anything that isn't to our own personal, immediate benefit. Rugged individualism has been so enshrined in our brains by media many of us are more concerned with being the sucker of a zero sum game, than with producing preferable results for the whole of our community or country


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: cannabinated]
    #27075115 - 12/06/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

part of the reason for testing certain brown populations is cause of genetics

heterozygosity of DNA is always accounted for in vaccine studies

which i assume indigenous populations have much different DNA


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    #27075277 - 12/06/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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You are gonna need to site a source because it sounds like you read something and completely miss interpreted it.



funny because that is precisely what you did. you read this

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mRNA vaccines contain material from the virus that causes COVID-19



and thought it meant the mRNA they inject into you literally comes out of a virus. to be fair, it's an understandable misreading of that sentence

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One of the main benefits of mRNA vaccines is that they are relatively easy to crank out. Cells aren't necessary. Instead, everything can be done quickly in test tubes using a handful of chemicals (the "letters" that make up RNA, which are A, U, C, and G) and an enzyme. The resulting mRNA molecules can then be packaged into tiny fat bubbles and injected into the patient.




https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/10/21/how-pfizers-rna-vaccine-works-15104




This is from the cdc

A Closer Look at How COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines Work
COVID-19 mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the “spike protein.” The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19.

COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are given in the upper arm muscle. Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the muscle cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them.

Next, the cell displays the protein piece on its surface. Our immune systems recognize that the protein doesn’t belong there and begin building an immune response and making antibodies, like what happens in natural infection against COVID-19.

So a spike proteins that you would find on the surface of a virus is injected into you, so a piece of a virus is or a replication of a piece of the virus is injected into you,

same difference you are infected in a "safe" way and your body responds to the infection.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: cannabinated]
    #27075283 - 12/06/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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so you would jump off a bridge if many major media outlets told you it was the shit?




if many different outlets are all reporting the same thing, then that gives it more credibility than a 1 offshoot branch. Everyone in this group here doesn't trust first hand accounts of the virus, which I have, as I had it so they want evidence and the evidence I can get comes from sources, of which I have a lot of.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: metalfaith]
    #27075285 - 12/06/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not saying that there isn't/has not been vaccine issues.

But an honest and appropriate skeptical perspective of the vaccines safety would be citing and quoting adverse effects from previous vaccines, not whatabout-ing with random shit like oxycodone and alprazolam or how the media hyped H1N1 or something.

Then we could go the details of what made said vaccine (in this case polio) dangerous and how we have gotten drastically better at making vaccines.




This vaccine is a new type made in a new way etc, shit the one that they really wanna put out doesn't even go into the muscle they inject some kind of strip just under your skin.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Ice9]
    #27075289 - 12/06/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Link doesn't show paper or calculations he used to 8 for every 1 diagnosed... so take that article with a heaping tablespoon of salt, as it is wishful thinking.




Why would I take it with a grain of salt when literally hundreds of outlets are all reporting the same thing?

"The number of coronavirus infections in the U.S. could be nearly eight times higher than current reported cases, according to a new model by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Between Feb. 27 and Sept. 30, there were nearly 6.9 million laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infections, but when researchers adjusted for potential false-negative test results, incomplete reporting of cases and asymptomatic or mildly ill individuals who never got tested, they learned there may have actually been about 52.9 million infections.

That means only 13% of total infections were identified and reported, the team said in their paper published Nov. 25 in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases."

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article247457275.html




From your paper
"In other words, about 84% of the U.S. population has yet to contract the coronavirus, “and thus most of the country remains at risk, despite already high rates of hospitalization,” the CDC researchers said."

Also from your paper

"Between Feb. 27 and Sept. 30, there were nearly 6.9 million laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infections, but when researchers adjusted for potential false-negative test results, incomplete reporting of cases and asymptomatic or mildly ill individuals who never got tested, they learned there may have actually been about 52.9 million infections."

I looked  online for the original CDC work, and surprise surprise, couldn't find the equation and assumptions, nor the justifications for those assumptions.  Not surprising coming from a Trump CDC.




No from my source 1/3 now have it, you see they used data only through September, it is now December and we now have way more confirmed cases so times that by 8 now and you get over 100 million.

But I get it, Orange man bad the CDC can not be trust now.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: budmanman]
    #27075292 - 12/06/20 01:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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replication of a piece of the virus is injected into you


no, it isn't.

look, if I have the blueprint for a house, I can make as many of those houses as I want. I can make a second house without using the materials from the first house.

In the same way, using the genetic blueprint of the RNA that encodes for that spike protein, we can simply make the RNA out of the raw constituents of nucleic acids and a set of enzymes


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Ice9]
    #27075294 - 12/06/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Hey, here is something that should blow your minds.  RNA adjuvants that are active are already in many vaccines.  Sold by Dicerna as a way to improve efficacy of a vaccine, and guess what, it works.  Difference is it is DS RNA that does not replicate any known viral RNA, where as the mRNA does mimic viral RNA to be translated to a particular protein of covid,. thus creating an immune response with 0 chance of being infected by covid.




Didn't blow my mind I am not anti vaccine at all, I just avoid taking any unnecessary vaccines. The more people who take vaccines the more protected I am so I really want people to take them, just not me. I get one occasionally like I had something jab deep into me from a motor bike crash so I got the vaccine because what if the dirty what ever object that stabbed me was infected but flu vaccines and shit fuck that I will just catch it and rest and move on like I have been my whole life, you are gonna get better evolutionary protection and so will your off spring by catching the thing and not dying than you will by a vaccine.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: morrowasted]
    #27075295 - 12/06/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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replication of a piece of the virus is injected into you


no, it isn't.

look, if I have the blueprint for a house, I can make as many of those houses as I want. I can make a second house without using the materials from the first house.

In the same way, using the genetic blueprint of the RNA that encodes for that spike protein, we can simply make the RNA out of the raw constituents of nucleic acids and a set of enzymes




Yeah its a synthetic piece of a virus that simulates infection, good job for explaining what I already said. Or maybe it isn't synthetic and they are harvesting it, it could be either for all I know or you know.

Synthetic, or not you are getting a replication of that piece of the virus,


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: morrowasted]
    #27075299 - 12/06/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Now I already had the virus, so do I need a vaccine mr hospital worker?


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Cracked Egg]
    #27075346 - 12/06/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Does asante just copy paste wiki pages?





I don't think Wikipedia would let its editors get away with referring to Fritz Haber as a "poison gas guru" :grin:

I know a shitload of stuff and sometimes like to write like it's going out to a publisher.

In the early years I wrote posts that went on for miles, now I usually keep it short.

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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: budmanman]
    #27075354 - 12/06/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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budmanman said:
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Link doesn't show paper or calculations he used to 8 for every 1 diagnosed... so take that article with a heaping tablespoon of salt, as it is wishful thinking.




Why would I take it with a grain of salt when literally hundreds of outlets are all reporting the same thing?

"The number of coronavirus infections in the U.S. could be nearly eight times higher than current reported cases, according to a new model by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Between Feb. 27 and Sept. 30, there were nearly 6.9 million laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infections, but when researchers adjusted for potential false-negative test results, incomplete reporting of cases and asymptomatic or mildly ill individuals who never got tested, they learned there may have actually been about 52.9 million infections.

That means only 13% of total infections were identified and reported, the team said in their paper published Nov. 25 in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases."

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article247457275.html




From your paper
"In other words, about 84% of the U.S. population has yet to contract the coronavirus, “and thus most of the country remains at risk, despite already high rates of hospitalization,” the CDC researchers said."

Also from your paper

"Between Feb. 27 and Sept. 30, there were nearly 6.9 million laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infections, but when researchers adjusted for potential false-negative test results, incomplete reporting of cases and asymptomatic or mildly ill individuals who never got tested, they learned there may have actually been about 52.9 million infections."

I looked  online for the original CDC work, and surprise surprise, couldn't find the equation and assumptions, nor the justifications for those assumptions.  Not surprising coming from a Trump CDC.




No from my source 1/3 now have it, you see they used data only through September, it is now December and we now have way more confirmed cases so times that by 8 now and you get over 100 million.

But I get it, Orange man bad the CDC can not be trust now.




LOL, they just don't erase data. It is the article you are reading that is making that leap of faith from data 10 months old.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Ice9]
    #27075363 - 12/06/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Where did you get erased data from? They used the data when there were only 7 million confirmed cases and now we have 15 million.


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    #27075375 - 12/06/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

data 10 months old? Your bias is blocking you so badly you don't realize it's not 10 month old data,

Feb. 27 and Sept. 30 lets see here, Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul aug sep, its not 10 month old data, its 7 months of data lmao

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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: budmanman]
    #27076127 - 12/06/20 08:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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budmanman said:


You are gonna need to site a source because it sounds like you read something and completely miss interpreted it.



funny because that is precisely what you did. you read this

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mRNA vaccines contain material from the virus that causes COVID-19



and thought it meant the mRNA they inject into you literally comes out of a virus. to be fair, it's an understandable misreading of that sentence

Quote:

One of the main benefits of mRNA vaccines is that they are relatively easy to crank out. Cells aren't necessary. Instead, everything can be done quickly in test tubes using a handful of chemicals (the "letters" that make up RNA, which are A, U, C, and G) and an enzyme. The resulting mRNA molecules can then be packaged into tiny fat bubbles and injected into the patient.




https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/10/21/how-pfizers-rna-vaccine-works-15104




This is from the cdc

A Closer Look at How COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines Work
COVID-19 mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the “spike protein.” The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19.

COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are given in the upper arm muscle. Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the muscle cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them.

Next, the cell displays the protein piece on its surface. Our immune systems recognize that the protein doesn’t belong there and begin building an immune response and making antibodies, like what happens in natural infection against COVID-19.

So a spike proteins that you would find on the surface of a virus is injected into you, so a piece of a virus is or a replication of a piece of the virus is injected into you,

same difference you are infected in a "safe" way and your body responds to the infection.




so wait, the mRNA thats injected into the cells isn't even permanent? the cells get the instructions, makes the protein for a while, then goes "oh eff this shit", throws the blueprints away, then go back to their normal lives? i had thought that this new vaccine was permanently changing those cells to constantly produce this protein for the rest of their lives lol.

if that's the case that kind of makes me feel even more safe about this new vaccine. that seems even safer than a normal vaccine really, since there's no viruses involved.

of course, this is the CDC and i'm not entirely feeling 100% on their information thanks to the trump administration. -,-


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Psion]
    #27076140 - 12/06/20 08:51 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It is a new unproperly tested vaccine that they are not sure about so they are willing to give you 1,500 to be a Guinee pig, it is up to you.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: budmanman]
    #27076207 - 12/06/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Most of the people who choose to become subjects for drug trials really really need the money. most of them don't really actually care about the drug they just want the money.

I had a friend who was paid to be a subject in the Seroquel drug trial many years ago. she just wanted the money and she told them she was schizophrenic. They gave her a bottle of pills and she never took them but she lied about the effects.


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    #27076234 - 12/06/20 10:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

What a great drug trial.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: budmanman]
    #27076281 - 12/06/20 10:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Hey scratch out what I just said. She took it one time just to report what it was like. It just made her sleep all day.


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    #27076285 - 12/06/20 10:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Well that still isn't a very good drug trial horrible data.


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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: budmanman]
    #27076322 - 12/06/20 11:29 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Anyone that believes people have the right to put anything into their body should also believe people have the right to NOT put anything into their body. My immune system hasn't failed me yet. When/if it does will be the day I start taking (new)vaccines.


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    #27076344 - 12/06/20 11:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Personally, because of covid-19, I've been drinking tons of good quality tea that I order from India, Taiwan and Japan. Before this year, I only drank tea during winter and it keeps me from getting sick, along with daily vitamin c and d.

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    #27076378 - 12/07/20 12:14 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Anyone that believes people have the right to put anything into their body should also believe people have the right to NOT put anything into their body. My immune system hasn't failed me yet. When/if it does will be the day I start taking (new)vaccines.




see, there's this funny thing about rights - there's a hierarchy to them. the right to free speech for instance, is all well and good, but it is superseded to the someone else's right to life. this is why you can get in trouble for causing a massive panic by yelling fire in a theater. (ok, this isn't likely to happen, but what if you were to start screaming someone has a gun in a crowded noisy room when no such thing existed?)

likewise, the right to :not: put anything into their body can arguably be superseded by others right to life if by doing so, you are becoming a public health hazard and causing people to die, and the alternative of simply taking a damn vaccine is ridiculously safe odds. if there was an actual reasonable risk to the individual's health, then it would be freedom of life and individual freedom vs freedom of life, at which point it would lean toward the individual's freedom. but this is hardly the case. the risk of vaccines is stupidly low. one in a million odds of dying is probably putting it way too high. one in a billion is probably pushing it. serious complications from vaccines are more mythical than unicorns, while the risk from the viruses they protect against... are not so much.


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    #27076383 - 12/07/20 12:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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so wait, the mRNA thats injected into the cells isn't even permanent? the cells get the instructions, makes the protein for a while, then goes "oh eff this shit", throws the blueprints away, then go back to their normal lives?




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    #27077540 - 12/07/20 06:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Asante said:
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Cracked Egg said:
Does asante just copy paste wiki pages?





I don't think Wikipedia would let its editors get away with referring to Fritz Haber as a "poison gas guru" :grin:

I know a shitload of stuff and sometimes like to write like it's going out to a publisher.

In the early years I wrote posts that went on for miles, now I usually keep it short.

I did a test and had a greater English vocabulary than 95% of native English speakers :evil:




My vocabulary good 2.

Haha.. my wife is like that too.. the way she speaks and writes is superb (me using a fancy word)


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