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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: manletto]
#27072909 - 12/05/20 03:54 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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that's nice, manletto. say hi to Ixtab for me, will you?
i'd admit the mRNA type vaccines do make me slightly nervous, only because they're completely new, but vaccines in general are flat out vast orders of magnitudes safer than the diseases they cure. if someone paid me 1500 bucks to protect me against a nasty disease, that's a fuck yeah from me, provided the typical safety protocols have been done.
though i'd prefer to have the german version if possible on this one. just because i'd rather not have anything to do with trump flowing in my veins if i could help it.
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Psion]
#27072978 - 12/05/20 05:59 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Giving numbers for possible side-effects for vaccine that has not been tested for long term side-effects is nothing more than guess.
First injections of these novel vaccines went inside human been in middle of march this year. So no data about long term side-effects yet.
Edit: first phase 3 trials started at march of these year for any of the vaccines coming in use now.
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theRealrollforever
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I'll get it for the money. Then make myself throw up to get it out of system
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Cracked Egg]
#27073023 - 12/05/20 07:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cracked Egg said: What would you do if our "government" offered you 1500.00 only if you took their brand new covid vaccine...
I'd want to see the ingedients list. If its nothing too experimental, bam, shoot me up, I add some cash and 3 more villages have their own safe drinking water wells.
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Asante]
#27073091 - 12/05/20 08:10 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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At first, I was a solid no... Now, after reading a few responses, I'm still a no, but will definitely consider it down the road.
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Cracked Egg]
#27073125 - 12/05/20 08:34 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I won't take it.
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Ice9]
#27073202 - 12/05/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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You are assuming that everyone who has an ethical concern about the vax is a republican telling people "If you don't like it, you can move out!" You are putting words into other peoples mouths.
There are lots of issues with most of the statistics surrounding the virus and the news loves to make it even worse because it gets more clicks that way.
The burden should not fall on the individual to move if they do not want the vax. You have the right to live a normal existence in your country.
What happens when the day comes where everyone has a health passport that prevents them from moving or living a normal live?
What happens when they say that the masks are here to stay even after the vax is available?
This entire time they have been moving the goalposts. With all the fucked up things that the government is responsible for (that the general public is aware of), what makes you think this is the one time that they care about you?
This whole crisis is less about a virus and more about rewriting human culture so it fits in better with the computer.
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LeningradCowboy said: Giving numbers for possible side-effects for vaccine that has not been tested for long term side-effects is nothing more than guess.
First injections of these novel vaccines went inside human been in middle of march this year. So no data about long term side-effects yet.
Edit: first phase 3 trials started at march of these year for any of the vaccines coming in use now.
It's more than a guess. Let's say you have a recipe for chocolate cake and you change one ingredient, or slightly change the nature of one ingredient. Your idea of the final cooked cake before actually baking it is more than a guess.
Vaccines have been around for a while. The coronarivus vaccines aren't completely novel.
Most of the components in the vaccines have been around for decades. Researchers know what individual and different combinations of vaccine components usually cause in the body when it comes to short- or long-term side-effects.
There is risk, but the risk can be evaluated. It is not just a guess. It's a very educated, calculated guess.
Edited by RebeccaBlack (12/05/20 09:46 AM)
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: RebeccaBlack]
#27073257 - 12/05/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mrna vaccines are quite new concept. Were are not taling traditional vaccines here.
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: RebeccaBlack]
#27073266 - 12/05/20 10:19 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Daijo said: I'd take the vaccine. There are known and very real side-effects to COVID19, some severe.
This. My only stipulation would be that I want to know if I currently have antibodies. I figure one way or another everyone is either going to get covid or the vaccine. Might as well grab that cash while the getting is good.
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badchad
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LeningradCowboy said: Mrna vaccines are quite new concept. Were are not taling traditional vaccines here.
It's true this is the first mRNA vaccine. However, they've been around a while and clinical trials have been going on more than a decade. They're not quite as groundbreaking as many think. I'd be curious why they haven't been brought to market previously given their history.
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: badchad]
#27073365 - 12/05/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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i think the protein folding and processing power to model the virus
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Ezuma] 1
#27073418 - 12/05/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ezuma said: I would obviously take that. I mean, this is a drug site where people do dubious amounts of dubiously sourced chemicals they often don't test in dubious combinations under dubious circumstances and laugh it off when the have a psychotic episode and persisting hallucinations the odds of really serious side effects from a vaccine like this are -as far as I'm aware- pretty damn small, especially contrasted with the benefit derived plus the small amount of money (an unnecessary addition but sure, I'd take it) its just weird to me that people here shoot up heroin and then freak out about a vaccine

Lookup Pfizer. They've paid out billions of dollars because of negligence, bribery, killing people in trials, etc.
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Billy Ray]
#27073629 - 12/05/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't doubt corporate negligence when it comes to the pharmaceutical industry (or any number of other industries, capitalism is poison) but there is a difference between prescription opiods and benzos and a vaccine. Find me an epidemic of flu shot deaths if you (can) like, but I'm not convinced the two are comparable.
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LeningradCowboy said:
Edit: first phase 3 trials started at march of these year for any of the vaccines coming in use now.
How tf did anything get to phase 3 by march?
There's no longitudinal data. At all...and I would might have less long term effects if my body just beat it. I would rather not have to get shot up with something that will make me sick....just like the flu shot I can't handle
If I die, I die. Everyone who gets vaccinated can't get sick from me.
Thst's the whole point of vaccines
Idk how I feel about having three war criminals and mass murderers "taking it" on canera. Yep, sounds totally legit
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: skOsH] 1
#27073698 - 12/05/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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skOsH said: Edit: first phase 3 trials started at march of these year for any of the vaccines coming in use now.
How tf did anything get to phase 3 by march?
There's no longitudinal data. At all...and I would might have less long term effects if my body just beat it.
I'd guess they took the risk and generated their safety data in parallel vs. sequentially. The longitudinal data are irrelevant, there are never longitudinal data prior to approval. Pfizer is publicly presenting their data Thursday, so we'll see.
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: skOsH] 1
#27073729 - 12/05/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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skOsH said:
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LeningradCowboy said:
Edit: first phase 3 trials started at march of these year for any of the vaccines coming in use now.
How tf did anything get to phase 3 by march?
There's no longitudinal data. At all...and I would might have less long term effects if my body just beat it. I would rather not have to get shot up with something that will make me sick....just like the flu shot I can't handle
If I die, I die. Everyone who gets vaccinated can't get sick from me.
Thst's the whole point of vaccines
Idk how I feel about having three war criminals and mass murderers "taking it" on canera. Yep, sounds totally legit
Clinton, Bush and Obama would never lie to us.
I believe Bill Gates said the vaccine would have to be taken multiple times and there's an 80% chance you may have complications after each dose. A Philadelphia Priest died shortly after taking the vaccine in a clinical trial.
The fact that people are trying to tie the vaccine to a stimulus check in a time where people need money is disgusting.
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Ezuma] 1
#27073736 - 12/05/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ezuma said: I don't doubt corporate negligence when it comes to the pharmaceutical industry (or any number of other industries, capitalism is poison) but there is a difference between prescription opiods and benzos and a vaccine. Find me an epidemic of flu shot deaths if you (can) like, but I'm not convinced the two are comparable.
Look up H1N1 Fraud The last so called pandemia declared by WHO
This is Finnish prime minister openly speaking about H1N1 fraud aka the last "global pandemia":
https://www.sannamarin.net/blogi/2010/08/10/34342/?page2=#.X4f6Fcm51JZ.facebook
That’s from 7 years ago
"(Published in Debat 3/2010)
Now we finally find out: there was really no swine flu threat. At least not to the extent that the media, politicians and medical professionals warned of the dangers of the threat. But who benefited from maintaining the hysteria fuelled by piglets' suffering and pigtails?
Vaccine manufacturers alone received a wallet of EUR 100 million thicker from Finland for vaccines, the effectiveness of which is poorly evidenced of health quality and status. At European level, the cost of pig vaccination is in the billions. Fear and threat have always been effective marketing methods, and under the pretext of these it is easy to sell a piece of security to the people. When mass hysteria reaches its pain point, there is no longer any place for reason or matter in public debate. Decision-making becomes the oars of appeasing a ungient population. The word "what if" is one of the most effective magic words justifying reckless spending. The curtain drops and the pharmaceutical industry bows to the brainless sheep that can be found in the stands.
Every year, the pharmaceutical industry transports our doctors quite generously to various seminars and training events around the world. For example, dozens of seminar invitations of this kind are accepted annually to the Human Resources Division of the Tampere City Board. This is possible because it benefits both travel publishers and recipients. Pharmaceutical companies get their message through and perhaps a more sympathetic attitude towards their products, i.e. more money in the long run, free training for their doctors, and doctors gain experience, knowledge and a sense of importance from their travels. The situation can also be justified from the point of view of the customer's benefits: even the sick receive thousands of euros worth of more professional help for their ailments. However, the ethics of the action can also be easily questioned. "Bribes" always have their prices and ultimately the bill is paid by consumers in the form of pharmaceutical prices and distorted competition and supply.
The pharmaceutical industry is one of the most influential political reference groups today and operates on the same paper fuel as any capitalist institution – money. While rich Western countries are being incensed with erectile and lifestyle medicines, there is not enough will for developing countries, even from the point of view of historical development, to have the simplest medicines and vaccines. Finland's 100 million pig vaccination money would have made it possible to prevent countless child deaths in developing countries. Another option would have been to put the money into preventive social work, substance abuse and health education in Finland. These, if any, are real "what if" worthy resource items. Perhaps we will still have fairness in the spending of money once the people get behind a multibillion-dollar lobbying machine to anoint decision-makers?"
This is the new lawsuit against corona false pandemia in Germany(global case) Finland, Belgium and Canada in nutshell and what it is based on. Bet American corporation media does not speak about this:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/zwWgmJKq9UIl/
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Re: 1500.00 if you put your life at risk.. [Re: Hikeadellic]
#27074068 - 12/05/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hikeadellic said: You are assuming that everyone who has an ethical concern about the vax is a republican telling people "If you don't like it, you can move out!" You are putting words into other peoples mouths.
There are lots of issues with most of the statistics surrounding the virus and the news loves to make it even worse because it gets more clicks that way.
The burden should not fall on the individual to move if they do not want the vax. You have the right to live a normal existence in your country.
What happens when the day comes where everyone has a health passport that prevents them from moving or living a normal live?
What happens when they say that the masks are here to stay even after the vax is available?
This entire time they have been moving the goalposts. With all the fucked up things that the government is responsible for (that the general public is aware of), what makes you think this is the one time that they care about you?
This whole crisis is less about a virus and more about rewriting human culture so it fits in better with the computer.
Qmft
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