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A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob 3
#27072389 - 12/04/20 06:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am a noob. I am not an expert in fungal genetics.
I was a biology major. I love science and nature.
I am not an idiot.
I also am kinda retarded.
But frankly, I really am not buying this a cube is a cube shit I have seen everywhere (might be old threads and such so I may be well behind the curve here with this post).
As a new member, I initially had reservations... or more so anxiety to some extent to post and say something stupid, or look like a newb. How embarrassing. I do not know a single one of you fuckers (that I know of ).
That being said, I do apologize if this is the wrong forum to post this in.
I also would say I certainly accept I could be entirely wrong, or maybe this is already commonly accepted among current shroomites, I dont know, Im a newb 
But hear me out if you so choose...
A cube is a cube. Yes. But also no shot. No shot that is a fair or representative statement (me posting this)Is this just something people say to get noobs to chill the fuck out asking about what the best variety is and what colonizes the fastest, what fruits the best, etc.? Because that would make complete sense and I certainly agree, just learn to cultivate successfully for fucks sake you are not a myco sommelier. Although this guy might be But... in actuality, I am not buying it as a reasonable statement of fact. It just doesn't sit right with me. Do I think as cultivators, especially new cultivators, we should put attention into this matter for our grows? Probably not. Actually definitely not. There are far more critical things to worry about and factors influencing our grows than the variety we choose. But should "a cube is a cube" be a commandment and anyone who even thinks to entertain a discussion such as variation among cubes be chastised? I do not believe so.
 Take dogs, for example. A dog is a dog, right? They all need the same type of food, water, relatively the same environment. A chihuahua doesn't need the same space as a sheepdog. But a sheepdog certainly can still grow and live in an apartment happily and healthily and does not need open pastures, although it might not be an optimal situation... But it would be insane to say all dogs are dogs and thus they all act the same and therefore it would be not just silly, but abhorrent, to even entertain or discuss the thought of there being differences between dogs. So why does it seem like this is where the discussion of cubensis varieties is at? (again newb, so I have much more forum to explore so if there are lengthy threads already addressing this and I am misguided in thinking this is the state of the conversation... then this post was a waste of time).All dogs are certainly the same species, as are all cubes, but there are differences, OBSERVABLE differences in both the way dogs look and act/behave. Furthermore, not only are the varieties of cubes different across the world naturally due to evolution (cannot say the same to the same extent for dogs as we domesticated them), but we also have "domesticated" cubensis to the point of distinguishing a new or different variety among the community.
Like look at this lil fucker chihuahua. He ain't no pipe smoking canine. A dog is not a dog.Now, like dogs, do all cubes need the same parameters to grow? As far as I know, yes. To give special growth or care parameters for a particular variety would be like giving your toy dog expensive canned food instead of normal dog food.... oh wait But seriously, even though they all need the same growth parameters, does that mean they all act the same? Or behave the same? Or can you blatantly say a cube is a cube? I struggle to believe so. Are humans all humans and should be treated as just another human? Hell yeah brother. One love.
But does that mean there are not subtle, or not so subtle, nuances and differences between the experience of life among certain groups of humans? Differences that, albeit not definitive to one's life, certainly would be reasonable to assume have some significance to those humans' lives a part of that group? This may not seem relevant to fungi. Yet it is. Nature has a natural flow, order, disorder, and intelligence to it that manifests in similar ways across all biological life. I understand "a cube is a cube" given the fact that they are one species and the necessary growing conditions are the same, and for 98% of cultivators it doesn't fucking matter, a cube is a cube. But, I just don't buy the "fact" that there is no innate difference among them, ON AVERAGE, if taken as a whole population of that variety, due to varieties within their genetics/evolution/natural environments. Can any variety be a shit show, slow colonizer, horrible fruiter? Or the best set of genetics ever? Duh. I think that may be why "a cube is a cube" is so predominant. For the typical home cultivator, given the range of possible discrepancies, differences, and success/failures, any difference between varieties is negligible. The number of variables involved with a home grow has led us to answer the question "how much can I expect to yield" with "anywhere from 0 to 100 ounces". Because who the fuck knows. Your MSS might not even have spores in it. Or it has different variety. Or it is contaminated. A though experiment perhaps will helpSay in a universe where we could take an actual representative, fully comprehensive, scientific sample/data analysis of every variety, and analyse every aspect of growth and control for confounds, I would be shocked if there were not some statistically significant differences between varieties. There is not another species who shows that kind of homogeneity (I think that's a word?) Again, I do not know the genetics or science behind this, but this is just my intuition from understanding other natural and biological processes. [gradient:#E00909,#]If all races of cubes, or varieties, came from same lineage of psilocybe cubensis[/gradient]. Kinda like our common ancestor primate or whatever. They are all the same species, but essentially a different race of that species. This is hypothetical and is simply trying to paint an image of how I am viewing this. The first cubensis variety that was separated from the OG cubensis could have only become a new variant of cubes if there were distinguishable differences. But it would not be simply one mushroom that became a new variety, because all mushrooms from spores have new genetics correct? To become a distinct variety, it would take the genetics over time shifting, due to environment, god, homer simpson, what have you, and it differentiated enough to be able to be classified as a distinct variety. There are observable differences among the many varieties. These all came from an OG psilocybe cube, or perhaps aliens spawned 9 different OG variants to seed the planet millennia ago. I dont fucking know haha. But, there are clearly differences among the cubes that are able to be identified by the trained mycologist. How do differences, or variations within a species, occur in evolution? Pressure. Pressure caused by somewhat different environments. The fundamental environment to thrive remained a necessity, but across the planet slight variations in those growing environments certainly had some influence on fungal evolution. Right? If not, then fungi are unique to the rest of us and special.... which may be equally plausible  People who have been cultivating for years who seem to live and die by "a cube is a cube" I would argue are not adequate judges of this statement. Long time cultivators, albeit incredibly knowledgable on cultivating mushrooms, are not MycoGod or all-knowing experts on a species as complex and perplexing as cubes. I am tempted to believe the difference among varieties is significant, yet minute enough it would take decades of growing from MSS with random genetics to have a feel for the nature of variant differences. Most growers quickly switch to clones/isolates, and at that point any judge of variation, or tendencies of certain varieties is no longer valid as you are not working with the natural order of things. To figure this out, it would either take an all-knowing being to create a sample analysis of all cubensis varieties in the world and measurements on their growth. Or, a very in-depth, well designed, long term study of variants and their genetics and independent variables of the grow (colonization, fruiting, etc.). So, if it does not matter for cultivators, why am I writing this incredibly long post? One, Adderal. Two, I do not fully believe it is in our best interest to ignore this possibility and simply keep going on with "a cube is a cube" (if my evaluation of where we are at as hobbyists in this mentality is not unfounded). Why? Because mushrooms. Exploration. Discovery. Maximizing potential. Not just the potential that lies within fungal genetics, but the potential that lies within our ability to appreciate, understand, cultivate, and connect with nature in a way other biological entities on this earth cannot. If we did not ignore this but rather opened it up for discussion, analysis, experimentation, peer review (eventually hehe), then who knows where the hobby could go? I could be making myself look even more like a newb with this post as it might be a well-established fact a cube is not just a cube, but that is what is said to calm down new cultivators. A lot of what I have read on here is old threads. So if that is the case, then I guess I am welcoming myself to the party. If not, lets argue motherfucker  P.S. I tried my best to make this post pleasing to look at and not just words on words... gimme some time
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob [Re: shadyshroomie] 3
#27072402 - 12/04/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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There may be genetic, cosmetic, and growth differences. But cubensis is cubensis is cubensis. These differences all span from where the cube was within the world, genetic mutation, and human intervention.
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob [Re: shadyshroomie]
#27072408 - 12/04/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree with you. So far I have grown 3 varieties. Golden teacher, Roatan Honduras, and Treasure Coast. Golden teachers have been my favorite by far. I always had happy trips with great visuals. The Honduras gives me anxiety resulting in bad trips. Treasure coast can be good or bad for me. I’ve tripped on these varieties over 5x each. It’s always the same outcome. Even if I’m in a good head space and had a great day the Honduras give me a bad trip. I have albino a+ about ready soon I’ll let you know how they are for me. I also can’t wait to try apes.
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob [Re: Exstortion] 1
#27072429 - 12/04/20 06:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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All cubensis come from the same genetics. They just have different phenotypes due to environment and human intervention. a cube is a cube. Equs ferus is the scientific name for horses. And there are HUNDREDS of different types of horses. Clydesdales, Thorobreds, Standardbreds, quarter horse, just to name a few. But all are still Equs ferus. Mushrooms are no different. You can have hundreds of different types but at the end of the day they’re still Psilocybe cubensis. Cubes a cube. Cannabis sativa and Cannabis indica are two different species from the same genus. The exception is hybrids which we get by breeding the 2 species together, which would make a new species. As far as breeding mushrooms, whenever we use multispore we are breeding them but we are breeding the same species. I’m not sure if it’d be possible to breed to different species of mushroom together. Maybe if they were both from the same genus it’d be possible. The other thing about cannabis is that there are like 85 different cannabinoids and all of them contribute to the effects of the high. Because of that, there’s a lot of room for variation. Mushrooms, however, have only 4 active compounds: psilocin, psilocybin, baoecystin, and norbaoecystin. Because there’s only 4 compounds there isn’t a whole lot of room for variation.
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob [Re: mushhead]
#27072468 - 12/04/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I understand what you are saying. Terrance McKenna said something like “Shrooms are easy on the newbie but get harder the more you become experienced with them.” I still have Honduras and TC but no GT. GT was my first grow and my first trips since about 10 years ago. I gonna grow GT again and see if I have the same happy visual trips as I did before. That will really let me know personally.
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob [Re: Exstortion]
#27072547 - 12/04/20 08:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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One theory is that it's a specific compound that "inhibits" bad trips.
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob [Re: shadyshroomie]
#27072581 - 12/04/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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shadyshroomie said: A cube is a cube...
Is this just something people say to get noobs to chill the fuck out asking about what the best variety is and what colonizes the fastest, what fruits the best, etc.?
Generally, yes. That seemed to be the underlying question so the rest was TL:DR.
This might be a question better suited to the Psychedelic Experience forum.
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob [Re: Sir Pentinite] 2
#27072660 - 12/04/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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That was interesting at first but then I saw how long it was and thought...
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob [Re: mushhead]
#27072726 - 12/04/20 10:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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mushhead said: There may be genetic, cosmetic, and growth differences. But cubensis is cubensis is cubensis. These differences all span from where the cube was within the world, genetic mutation, and human intervention.
Exactly
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob [Re: shadyshroomie] 1
#27072767 - 12/04/20 11:43 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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The reason people say cubes are cubes is because most of the desirable traits that could be increased in frequency are both hard to quantify and easy to attribute to other vectors.
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob [Re: Pastywhyte]
#27072890 - 12/05/20 03:13 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Exstortion said: I agree with you. So far I have grown 3 varieties. Golden teacher, Roatan Honduras, and Treasure Coast. Golden teachers have been my favorite by far.
Right on. Have 10 MSS and a PE 6-toothpick? Immediately knew what it is for but was surprised I had never come across one or seen one. In the shroomery.
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mushhead said: All cubensis come from the same genetics.
What do you mean by this? Same genetics to what extent?
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shadyshroomie said: A cube is a cube...
Is this just something people say to get noobs to chill the fuck out asking about what the best variety is and what colonizes the fastest, what fruits the best, etc.?
Generally, yes. That seemed to be the underlying question so the rest was TL:DR.
This might be a question better suited to the Psychedelic Experience forum.
Without a doubt. I am having trouble responding to this thread as I am tempted to get off the topic of cultivation lolz.
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That was interesting at first but then I saw how long it was and thought... 
Respectable.
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Pastywhyte said: The reason people say cubes are cubes is because most of the desirable traits that could be increased in frequency are both hard to quantify and easy to attribute to other vectors.
Certainly... Although hard to quantify does not mean impossible to quantify. Likewise, easy to attribute to other vectors does not mean impossible to develop a controlled research methodology as science advances.
This matters, to me at least, because although we may not be able to benefit from these tendencies or variations given the state of the hobby currently, that does not negate the fact those innate tendencies might exist and could potentially be tapped into at some point in the future.
The rapid increase in fungi funded research we are witnessing at several world-class medical research universities leads me to believe following this will also be significant advancements in cultivation, and thus continue to evolve the hobby. Although maybe this is misguided. I am a dreamer.
My main motivation behind this post was not to fundamentally deny that a cube is a cube, or argue against saying that, as doing so would be to deny science 
My intent was to say that yes a cube is a cube, but we shouldn't allow that mentality to block us from having discussions on the matter, or from fully appreciating the uniqueness of the fungus in a way that supports the continual advancement of the hobby.
This post was intended to be an argument from a noob, but more so as an expression of what my thoughts on this are after my initial involvement with the hobby.
Throughout my first 100 or 200 hours throughout this forum, I just got the overwhelming sense that the "cube is a cube" mentality is almost an off-limit topic that would be blasphemy to discuss otherwise. Given the evolutionary nature of this hobby and community, I would think discussions on this topic would be more prevalent and open. I am curious if there are more devoted discussions for this I have not stumbled upon. Or perhaps I am the only one who gives a rats ass haha. That is not uncommon.
Like I said, I am kinda retarded.
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smalltalk_canceled said: One theory is that it's a specific compound that "inhibits" bad trips.
That compound is set and setting as well as expectations.
If you think you get bad trips off honduras but not from GT you need to grow more mushrooms and have more trips until that correlation goes away
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob [Re: shadyshroomie] 3
#27073082 - 12/05/20 08:02 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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If people want to discuss things like genetic drift and it’s role when limiting heterozygosity in an already domesticated line go ahead. I love science minded discussions. Obviously I believe that cubes are not just cubes, hell I spent 4 years on a project of “cubes are not just cubes.” My issue is that people think that the name on the syringe is all there is to it; that’s a gross oversimplification at best and just flat out wrong at the worst. If you think GT give spiritual trips and no others can, that’s frankly retarded and isn’t worth discussing.
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob [Re: Pastywhyte] 3
#27073104 - 12/05/20 08:20 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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dogs are all dogs.
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob [Re: Failboat]
#27073171 - 12/05/20 09:01 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Correct me if I'm wrong. But in regard to taxonomy, wouldn't variations in cubes be like comparing different types of sheepdog(old english, shetland)?
And different breeds of dog(rottweiler, golden retriever, staffie) the same as comparing cubes to other psilocybin-containing fungi(ovoids, azures, cyans, etc)?
And different species in genus canis (dog, wolf, fox) be compared to different kinds of mushrooms(cubes, morels, lions mane)?
If I skipped a rank, there are different classes of dogs such as working, herding, etc.
Not to derail, just pointing out. 
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob [Re: EarlyMorningRain] 1
#27073176 - 12/05/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Breeds of dogs would all be cubes.
Dog wolf fox is like cube cyan azur
Cube and lions mane is like dog and cat
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob [Re: bodhisatta]
#27073743 - 12/05/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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smalltalk_canceled said: One theory is that it's a specific compound that "inhibits" bad trips.
That compound is set and setting as well as expectations.
If you think you get bad trips off honduras but not from GT you need to grow more mushrooms and have more trips until that correlation goes away
Facts.
I dont want to get too far off cultivation, but I am curious of not just cultivation tendencies of varieties but also tendencies and differences in experience between varieties. I do not have sufficient experience but from what I hear there do seem to be qualities of experience known to some varieties, such as those who say Mazatapec is very shamanic in nature.
If these differences were significant enough, I would then be curious if there might be some merit to certain varieties being more likely to induce a bad trip in some people than others, depending on one's psyche. Perhaps someone who struggles with _____ or has X type of trauma or type of anxieties are more likely to have a bad trip with a highly shamanic experience compared to a more euphoric, happy, warm bubbly like experience with less spiritual insight and more just overall shroom high haha.
However, I am unsure of the relevance of this or the value in even discussing it. No matter the strain, it is still fucking psilocybin and will be a trip you must prepare for. Bad trips can happen with any strain, and good ones can too. To claim any variety gives you bad trips I feel is projecting blame to something which is easier to accept, rather than reflecting on what about the experience led to a bad trip.
Psilocybin doesn't just decide on occasion to induce a bad trip or not, thus nothing about psilocybin or any mushroom specifically is causing a bad trip. The ONLY thing that causes a bad trip is one's own psyche, and other variables such as set and setting may catalyze a bad trip or protect you from a bad trip. But at the end of the day there was something in your psyche leading to a negative experience, and that part of you was unlocked briefly through the mushroom
I have had psychotic near suicidal episode on 440mics LSD where I told my mom I was going to cut my nuts off. Lemme tell ya, the acid did not do that. I had a lot up in there I was unaware of and it was my 3rd trip... taught me real quick psychedelics arent to be fucked with.
Now, back to cultivation hehehe
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Pastywhyte said: If people want to discuss things like genetic drift and it’s role when limiting heterozygosity in an already domesticated line go ahead. I love science minded discussions. Obviously I believe that cubes are not just cubes, hell I spent 4 years on a project of “cubes are not just cubes.” My issue is that people think that the name on the syringe is all there is to it; that’s a gross oversimplification at best and just flat out wrong at the worst.
This makes a lot of sense. When I made this post I knew there likely, certainly actually, was loads more factors and variables influencing/at play in regards to this topic.
Kinda why I posted as well to hear from those who have been in this thang for quite some time and could provide some insight and stimulate my curiosity.
If you know, to what extent is there variation within each variety? I doubt there has been significant genetic analysis of cubes and thus insight in this regard would be tough.
Of course, variation even in one MS grow is immense and thus why grows are unpredictable. But I am curious if on top of genetic variation caused by the nature of mushroom reproduction due to fungi fornicationon if there is also even more distinct variation among lineages of spore generations/different suppliers. Such as the blue meanies cultivated for some time in one region of the world, like throughout Europe, might have distinct qualities when compared to the blue meanies cultivated throughout Australia.
This discussion has given me much insight that I was seeking and has helped further develop my thoughts.
I am beginning to think that although tendencies and differences among varieties is certainly worthy of thinking about and discussing, perhaps the reality of the topic and any conclusions is that there is little to nothing to be gained or developed in this regard.
Any relevance/insight/benefit to be gained from pursuing this topic more intensely might be so minute, and the resources to get there (such as research funding) so vast, this is not the direction mycology needs to or ever will go in.
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Quirkmeister92 said: dogs are all dogs.

You probably also don't find puppies cute and are a cat person huh...
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bodhisatta said: Breeds of dogs would all be cubes.
Dog wolf fox is like cube cyan azur
Cube and lions mane is like dog and cat
Analogies are useful. This is dope.
What is a lions mane compared to cube cyans and azur?
I know next to nothing about mushroom genetics and such, and would have thought the only analogies that could be made would be either breeds of dogs being different varieties, and then any further distinctions or difference fungi would be cat vs. dog.
You added another layer of classification I wouldn't expect. But I guess I shouldn't expect anything in my mycological pursuits, other than for fungi to continue to fascinate and surprise me.
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob [Re: Pastywhyte]
#27073772 - 12/05/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: If people want to discuss things like genetic drift and it’s role when limiting heterozygosity in an already domesticated line go ahead.
Yeah, this is definitely something that should be discussed. We don't have the available laboratory resources to assess the differences in chemistry between the highly bottlenecked lineages of comercial cube varieties and their wild counterparts, but we are definitely making some progress where visible effects are more obvious.
Perhaps the addition of fresh genetics could benefit some varieties like PE. There's been some interesting crosses lately which seem to be beneficial for some of our most notable varieties, like pe, and ape.
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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i dont have much experience, but from my 3 grows- cambodia, pesa and PF classic, there is a discernible difference between all of them. pesa fruited the best from all of them, but having the potency of pf classic. pf classic was the same yield as cambodia, but definitely weaker than cambodia.
that being said, they all produced the same effects on me, but the difference in potency on cambodia was noticeable. 2.5gs on cambodia were like 3.5 on pesa. (3.5g cambodia was a complete blastoff )
was it because its a multispore? probably. was it because a cube is a cube, but not really? who knows, im not the one to say that, but the difference was definitely there, and from my recent trips- it still is there .
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob [Re: spongegar]
#27073792 - 12/05/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I thought I’d seen a lot after doing a few hundred grows. Really I now feel like I ain’t seen nothing.
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob [Re: shadyshroomie]
#27073815 - 12/05/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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shadyshroomie said: I am not an idiot.
I also am kinda retarded.
Big relate lolol
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob [Re: Failboat]
#27075176 - 12/06/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I’m not saying only GT can give me a spiritual experience. I’m just saying I had the best experiences on GT but also was my first trips. I have white teacher coming. Can’t wait to try those.
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob [Re: Exstortion]
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Exstortion said: I’m not saying only GT can give me a spiritual experience. I’m just saying I had the best experiences on GT but also was my first trips. I have white teacher coming. Can’t wait to try those.
Moderators... any way to move this thread to another forum such as the psychedelic experience?
As far as cultivation goes, I feel this thread is done. However, I am interested in having more conversation regarding the experience of different mushies and do not want to continue in the cultivation thread with conversation irrelevant to... well, cultivating
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob (moved) [Re: shadyshroomie] 1
#27151536 - 01/16/21 01:47 PM (3 years, 12 days ago) |
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This thread was moved from Mushroom Cultivation.
Reason: I will acquiesce to the OP’s request although while I agree that the premise and much of the resultant conversation isn’t a cultivation topic, it’s not really much of a scientific one either.
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#27154364 - 01/17/21 10:08 PM (3 years, 11 days ago) |
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I was in Amsterdam in 2006 and my buddies and I bought 3 different strains wet. I went for something mild (cannot remember) my other boy got teachers and other dude Hawaiians. I remember having a conversation with the coffee shop girl and she for sure knew that all cubes were not cubes. Her level of knowledge was admirable and she would have never said a cube is a cube.
Dude who took Hawaiians was lit said everything was mad visual. I remember mine being not that visual but more of a bodyload. Other dude said he had mad thoughts. We had all tripped together before in the states as well and never had such discrepancies. I’m a total noob to growing, but not tripping. There are some differences, but as Pasty so eloquently put it there’s a lot more to it than the name on a syringe.
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob (moved) [Re: The OCB]
#27154912 - 01/18/21 08:21 AM (3 years, 10 days ago) |
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Reason: I will acquiesce to the OP’s request although while I agree that the premise and much of the resultant conversation isn’t a cultivation topic, it’s not really much of a scientific one either.

This is all I could think about seeing your response haha
I'm curious why you believe it isn't? And more importantly... why did you feel it necessary to include? Does it need to be a scientific conversation to be discussed on this forum?
Scientific Discussion, in my view, is any discussion of an observable phenomenon that aims to gain more insight into that phenomenon... insight that aids future discussions of investigation Here is a relevant paper: Scientific Discussion
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The OCB said: There are some differences, but as Pasty so eloquently put it there’s a lot more to it than the name on a syringe.
Pastywhyte said: My issue is that people think that the name on the syringe is all there is to it; that’s a gross oversimplification at best and just flat out wrong at the worst. If you think GT give spiritual trips and no others can, that’s frankly retarded and isn’t worth discussing.
Certainly makes sense and I agree. Any absolutes used in this discussion I feel would be illogical "This variety produces X experience" is far from conclusive or accurate
I feel discussing the tendencies of varieties to illicit certain experiences is more adequate "X variety TENDS to produce shamanic spiritual journeys" or "Y variety tends to produce euphoric, colorful, visually pleasing experiences"
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mushhead said: Mushrooms, however, have only 4 active compounds: psilocin, psilocybin, baoecystin, and norbaoecystin. Because there’s only 4 compounds there isn’t a whole lot of room for variation.
I was unaware of baoecystin and norbaoecystin. "TIL" haha This makes sense why there is much less variation than cannabis with 80+ actives Yet, varying levels of 4 compounds certainly can still produce unique experiences to some extent Although perhaps the differences are not significant between varieties but more so among varying genetics including within the same variety
These are the types of inquiries I am excited to potentially see happen with future psychedelic science Having said that, throughout reading this discussion again and thinking deeper, I have started to think maybe this is not the direction mushroom research should even go towards
Identifying compounds and how varying levels of them interact/produce certain experiences might push the field towards Big Pharma and ignore the investigation into the nature of the psilocybin experience and healing potential
Studying the psychological phenomena occurring during a mushroom experience, the spiritual relevance, and mechanism of healing is far more important for future research than chemistry
A trip is a trip
And all trips I believe have the potential to illicit any experience... psychosis, healing, spiritual journeys, etc.
One's own psyche and life experience is certainly far more important and relevant in discussing trip experiences and healing potential, so perhaps a discussion on the variation among experiences between varieties would only take away from trying to push forward psychedelic mushrooms in our society
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob (moved) [Re: shadyshroomie]
#27154968 - 01/18/21 09:00 AM (3 years, 10 days ago) |
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I find it funny that you read anger in my response, I thought it was a rather measured response given how trite the subject matter is. Perhaps it contained notes of resignation to the absurdity of continuing the discussion. Science and spiritually are not the same. Spiritual insight is a very subjective thing and not something you can easily control as a variable in any scientific experiment (I’m not saying impossible but definitely it’s subjective).
You guys want to pontificate on the whether an abundance of norpsilocin is responsible for things like body load or how it’s more potent than psilocin at the 5-HT2A receptor cool, I’d call that a science minded discussion. But most of what people want to discuss in these threads is rarely so structured. However that doesn’t make me angry, just slightly bored.
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
#27154992 - 01/18/21 09:10 AM (3 years, 10 days ago) |
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You guys want to pontificate on the whether an abundance of norpsilocin is responsible for things like body load or how it’s more potent than psilocin at the 5-HT2A receptor cool, I’d call that a science minded discussion. But most of what people want to discuss in these threads is rarely so structured
Totally fair Also, hard discussion to have without a research laboratory that can quantify those things So perhaps we come back to this discussion not presently having much relevance or insight to be had yet
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Also totally fair hahahahha
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob (moved) [Re: shadyshroomie]
#27156100 - 01/18/21 06:40 PM (3 years, 10 days ago) |
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OK so this thread has moved to the dark side? Well it took at least some gonads to speculate about such forbidden things, so props. 
All I can say is after growing for hella years and teasing out more interesting versions of a lot of different varieties is there's a lot of potential in cubes, any cube actually, but you have to be willing to uncover it, or just settle for MS, where every trip is a composite of multiple strains. I've had good luck producing totally outrageous isolates (or close ) with not much more guidance than "hmm that one was getting pretty interesting". It's all about genetics, IOW. Get that right and it's all right.
What poses a serious sort of problem to the sort of progress the OP might hope to see is that only spores can be legally distributed in most places, not live cultures, even though the live cultures themselves contain essentially no drugs (try them if you doubt this) or at least less interesting ones.
Yet every time a grow goes back to spores, even if from a fairly well defined variety, it's reset time. All strains contain good and bad genes when you have any criteria to select them by. All varieties can and do throw sports, and when you add in that mushrooms just happen to use reproduction to redistribute their genetic potential across the current available colonizable landscape, it's like you ASKED them to get more random, by using spores.
If live cultures were legal for exchange and propagation, above board anyway, varieties would be more clearly defined and easier to duplicate - much more like cannabis genetics. Just sayin'.
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob (moved) [Re: PrimalSoup]
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Live cultures can contain psilocin ?
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Not really (it depends on whose study you're looking at) - but they're still illegal.
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob (moved) [Re: shadyshroomie] 1
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I'm so high right now, I legit thought this entire thread was a discussion on the epistemological validity regarding the base premises of Euclidean geometry.
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob (moved) [Re: The OCB] 1
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The OCB said: I was in Amsterdam in 2006 and my buddies and I bought 3 different strains wet. I went for something mild (cannot remember) my other boy got teachers and other dude Hawaiians.
In the Netherlands, they commonly sold Panaeolus Cyanescens as "Hawaiians". Pan Cyans are a lot more potent, and also more visual, then any Cubensis. They even blow APEs (the most potent cube) out of the water. (3 - 5 times more potent than cubes, especially fresh due to very high psilocin content)
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob (moved) [Re: Pandemoon]
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I’ve been taking 2-3 gs of different varieties of shrooms for the last year. Each variety trip was different and actually not too good. I finally got some lsd and took some over the weekend. I had a great head space and good visuals but couldn’t sleep when it’s those weird hours of the nights.. idk mushrooms are very different but similar to lsd.. I wanna try taking a tab earlier in the day around noon. I’ll make a trip report.
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob (moved) [Re: Exstortion]
#27179064 - 01/31/21 09:06 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Haven't responded to this thread in a minute...
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Pastywhyte said: Spiritual insight is a very subjective thing and not something you can easily control as a variable in any scientific experiment (I’m not saying impossible but definitely it’s subjective).
Looking back at you saying this made me think of this research institute: Science of "Spirituality"
I totally agree spirituality is highly subjective and extremely hard to research. Researching spiritual practices and the effects they have on your physiology (such as meditation, shit even a mushroom experience) is far easier than to scientifically explore the TRUTHS about our spiritual reality
In fact, I think that would be impossible to prove anything about the spiritual nature of reality as it is beyond our limited comprehension... however I believe spiritual truths can still be researched to some extent
The purpose of the research I believe should not be to prove anything about spirituality, but rather to investigate the mechanisms involved with eliciting a spiritual experience, how those mechanisms function in regards to our physiology, the benefits and outcomes of those occurring, etc.
Some of you in this thread may find the research institute linked above very interesting. I think the research going on there has the potential to change humanity in a significant way. I am curious of how much psychedelic research they are doing if any.
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PrimalSoup said: OK so this thread has moved to the dark side? Well it took at least some gonads to speculate about such forbidden things, so props. 
Haha! The dark side, I like that. And thank you, I knew it would cause some ruckus but have really enjoyed hearing everybody's takes on it.
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PrimalSoup said: What poses a serious sort of problem to the sort of progress the OP might hope to see is that only spores can be legally distributed in most places, not live cultures, even though the live cultures themselves contain essentially no drugs (try them if you doubt this) or at least less interesting ones.
If live cultures were legal for exchange and propagation, above board anyway, varieties would be more clearly defined and easier to duplicate - much more like cannabis genetics. Just sayin'.
Very good point. Kinda why I am stoked for more widespread legalization and when humanity reaches a point we are ready to accept them into our culture (Graham Hancock talks a lot about ancient cultures and psychedelics) so that we can begin to research them in ways we have not before. If in my lifetime it is feasible to become a mushroom cultivator just as it is a cannabis cultivator, I would do that in a heartbeat
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Loaded Shaman said: I'm so high right now, I legit thought this entire thread was a discussion on the epistemological validity regarding the base premises of Euclidean geometry.
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(Insert crying laughing emoji) My emojis do not work but this made me chuckle quite a lot. A cube is a 3D rectangle but a 3D rectangle is not necessarily a cube hmmmmmmm
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Exstortion said: I’ve been taking 2-3 gs of different varieties of shrooms for the last year. Each variety trip was different and actually not too good. I finally got some lsd and took some over the weekend. I had a great head space and good visuals but couldn’t sleep when it’s those weird hours of the nights.. idk mushrooms are very different but similar to lsd.. I wanna try taking a tab earlier in the day around noon. I’ll make a trip report.
Have you taken the same variety twice? I would be inclined to believe each different trip was simply a different trip because of your headspace, set, setting, previous experiences, etc. I am curious if you took the same variety each more than once, and several varieties, and could tell each one was distinct?
First time I ever took acid I took around 185 mics at 5:30am... went on a hike in the Smokey Mountain/Appalachian area... changed my life. There was a moment we were sprinting down the mountain to avoid a "blizzard" (looking back it was sprinkling snow we would have been fine haha) and the person in front of me turned around and yelled stop. Going from feeling like a werewolf or vampire in twilight running through the trees, just all blurr around me, to instantly stopping and everything being still made the perception of time freeze entirely for me. Was one of the more incredible experiences of my life.
However, I have come to not really enjoy LSD as much. It is a bit too electric for me, and too easy for me to take too much. A square 1/8th inch more could be the difference between having a great time and a psychotic episode. The third time I took acid I did 440 mics, taught me real fucking quick to not fuck with psychedelics.
I like shrooms better 1) because the feel more organic to me. I like to compare the two as LSD is to shrooms what an electric guitar is to an acoustic guitar. and 2) it is much easier to control your dose since tabs can be a variety of doses. 1.5 tabs could be a minor trip or could take you to fucken fractal paradise... it is so variable. I know mushrooms are variable as well, but 3.5 gs of shrooms whether weak or potent will be within a closer range I feel like than 1.5 tabs (one being 110mic per tab or 220mic per tab)
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob (moved) [Re: shadyshroomie]
#27179109 - 01/31/21 09:46 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I disagree that shrooms can be far more predictable in terms of potency, assuming the LSD you’re taking is actually LSD and that it’s laid in range of 30-100 ug per square. Just cubes alone can range from completely bunk (like you eat an oz and get zero) to tampanensis strength or even more potent (in which case 3.5 would be overwhelming from some people). This isn’t even taking into account more potent species or poor storage methods.
Most of the “5 grams in silent darkness” people would likely wake up in a pool of shit piss and puke if they ate 5 grams of what I consider strong fruits.
As for the more organic assertion, is that an objective evaluation? It’s pretty obvious L is man made and pretty much all mushrooms are “organic” could that be influencing the evaluation of the experience? Not my call but I feel the need to point it out.
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
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"over a million LSD blotters seized since 2011 from roughly 1400 different sources. In 2011, every single sample tested positive for only LSD. But in 2014, less than 0.1% of blotters had LSD — instead, they found novel hallucinogens (NBOMe and DOx), fentanyl analogues, extasy, cathinones, and other modern designer drugs. All of these chemicals can cause a lethal overdose, unlike LSD. As of 2017, about 18% of tabs sold as LSD actually contained LSD. A hallucinogen called 25I was one of the most common adulterants in recent years."
https://www.projectcbd.org/news/quick-hits/fake-lsd-real-danger
I'd say that most kids that haven't experienced the real lsd of the 90s don't even know what real/good lsd even is.
I was recently camping in Algonquin with someone who claimed to have a gram of liquid lsd 25 in a vial!....after watching them dose and hearing how much they payed for it I quickly realized these kids weren't taking lsd at all or they'd be blubbering piles of psychedelic flesh. They didn't even realize how much 1 ml of lsd 25 really would have been if it was real....kids these days lol.
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob (moved) [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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Pastywhyte said: I disagree that shrooms can be far more predictable in terms of potency, assuming the LSD you’re taking is actually LSD and that it’s laid in range of 30-100 ug per square. Just cubes alone can range from completely bunk (like you eat an oz and get zero) to tampanensis strength or even more potent (in which case 3.5 would be overwhelming from some people). This isn’t even taking into account more potent species or poor storage methods.
Thanks for that I was unaware shrooms had that immense of variability in potency. Is it possible for some to have no psilocybin at all? (talking about cubensis) Say you were to harvest two different shoeboxes from the same MSS, could 1.5g of one box/harvest be equivalent to like 4g of another harvest?
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Pastywhyte said: Most of the “5 grams in silent darkness” people would likely wake up in a pool of shit piss and puke if they ate 5 grams of what I consider strong fruits.Most of the “5 grams in silent darkness” people would likely wake up in a pool of shit piss and puke if they ate 5 grams of what I consider strong fruits.
That is what I have been thinking as well haha. I ate a 13g wet fruit I picked the other day and was pretty god damn high. Even an eighth dried would blast me the fuck off. I am nowhere close to being comfortable doing 5g... maybe in my old age
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Pastywhyte said:As for the more organic assertion, is that an objective evaluation? It’s pretty obvious L is man made and pretty much all mushrooms are “organic” could that be influencing the evaluation of the experience? Not my call but I feel the need to point it out
It is more a subjective evaluation. Mind you however I have not taken a large dose of shrooms as I have with LSD. And perhaps my knowing that LSD is chemically synthesized might be contributing to my experience. That is actually a really interesting idea. Funny too because part of my psychotic trip from 440mics was due to being raised believing LSD is some insane drug that will change your life forever... I was so out of my normal consciousness I had essentially forgotten I knew what LSD was and that I chose to do it, and thought my life was over and forever changed because I took such a "high level drug" and what not...
In fact knowing me, I would not be surprised at all if I feel a more organic experience from mushrooms because I love the fact that it is a natural, earth-grown product and can be enjoyed as is in its natural form. Makes me curious as well as to just how much of our personal experiences with psychedelics is affected by what we believe about the drugs themselves and opinions on them...
I have had experiences with 98+% MDMA vs "molly" got from the street. I could tell the chemical structure and consistency was far different, and my experience was also very different. Felt much more high energy and electric with the not as pure stuff. Worse come down, girlfriend passed out like twice, etc. Probably fucken speed and a little mdma or something. I am not a chemistry expert but I wonder how much residual chemicals can be leftover when synthesizing LSD. Curious if there are certain alkaloids or chemicals that can have an effect on the experience or alter the LSD experience.
I do not think the difference is as stark as an acoustic vs. electric, but I find myself more bubbly and warm on shrooms. CEVs seem to also be more bubbly, jellyfish like, whereas on L they are more fractal, sharp, and distinct. I also get much more energy on L that makes me wanna sprint up a mountain and if I don't I get anxious, whereas on shrooms I am cool with simply walking up the mountain haha Again could just be me personally, set, setting, what I have eaten or slept like, so many variables.
I also will say I have taken L upwards of 30 times and tripped close to 15. Shrooms on the other hand I still have yet to take a large enough dose to really TRIP trip, but more so am just high as fuck and maybe 5 times have had slight visual distortions and vibrant colors. Part of my evaluation is due to my own experience, albeit extremely limited especially with shrooms, as well as conversations with my friends who share similar experiences
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https://www.projectcbd.org/news/quick-hits/fake-lsd-real-danger
I'd say that most kids that haven't experienced the real lsd of the 90s don't even know what real/good lsd even is.
This is so fucking scary and sad. Almost all the times I took L I was sourcing from darkweb marketplace. Always paying a bit extra for those vendors with over 3,000 reviews and averaging 4.9 star or more (out of 5 lol).
I made the mistake of taking L from my friend who (so fucking typical) "SWORE this was DOUBLE DIPPED PURE LSD" and all that shit. I knew it was iffy but at the time I really didn't give a fuck I just wanted to get high. It was an insanely different experience. He tried to claim "every trip is different it was 100% acid". But no. Every trip has been different, but this was different in a significant way. Started feeling it like 20 min in and it ramped up extremely fast. Colors seemed brighter but in a un-athentic way. Like a lens filter was placed over my eyes rather than the natural color being more vibrant. It lasted about 4-5 hours and did not come in waves. Simply ramped up quick, was buzzing for 4-5 hours and not having the best time, and then ramped back down extremely fast. There was no afterglow giggles, euphoria, or any of the more rhythmic flow experience I have on LSD. Also did not get body high like I have every other time taking LSD.
Fuck shady drug dealers for potentially killing people. Irrelevent but even more so though fuck big pharma for legit killing tens if not hundreds of thousands of people every year...
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob (moved) [Re: shadyshroomie]
#27179216 - 01/31/21 10:51 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don’t have any conclusive data that it’s possible for cubes to contain zero actives but, I did have a clone once that was so weak you could literally eat an oz and feel nothing. So I’d say that while it may have been possible for there to be extremely small amounts of actives in the fruits, as a matter of function they might have well been completely inactive.
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
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That is wild. Imagine fucking with your friends, eating an ounce in front of them, and then just fuck with them as if you're tripping off of a fucking ounce of shrooms but in reality, aren't even high.
Are you, or anyone, aware if there are test kits for levels of psilocybin? Of course the presence of psilocybin can be tested for, but I am curious if they have semi-affordable test kits to test the level of psilocybin in a mushroom. Maybe you grind up a gram and do a lab test or something. Would be kinda cool to be able to test potency of clones
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob (moved) [Re: shadyshroomie]
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Even crazier was that it was a SWPE clone. I was shocked, was expecting everyone to get their heads melted off and instead no one felt a damn thing.
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob (moved) [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Such a buzzkill. Makes me think of the ludes scene in Wolf of Wallstreet, except without a happy ending
Imagine eating more and more but for whatever reason they don't hit you for 3+ hours and next thing you know you're tripping sack off like 10g of them lol. Did you throw the rest of that grow out or continue trying them and they still were not even close to potent?
Kinda a sidenote, but I wonder if there is any information on how different nutrients/foods can affect a trip? Of course, they will hit you faster on an empty stomach, but I am curious if there is any knowledge on if certain fruits, veggies, or herbs aid the transport of alkaloids and such. Or reduce anxiety, like maybe making mushroom tea with L-theanine. Although perhaps L-theanine is far from strong enough to limit trip-induced anxiety. But also perhaps it can keep you down just enough to prevent a snowballing of anxiety. I am more curious of different herbs that might benefit/affect a trip, kind of similar to blue lotus flower and DMT
I am planning on making tea packets with some of what I grow and would be cool to have a unique product, so to speak, by including different herbs/nutrients that can benefit the trip-goer
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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob (moved) [Re: PrimalSoup]
#27179765 - 01/31/21 05:58 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Poor storage is the number one cause of weak ass trips, ime.
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shadyshroomie
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob (moved) [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27180756 - 02/01/21 10:57 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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What environmental storage conditions cause psilocybin to degrade?
Also, love your sig... "shrooms make you gay anyways" hahahahhaha
Edit: found a nice post by Pasty on potency PotencyByPasty
Edited by shadyshroomie (02/01/21 11:04 AM)
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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob (moved) [Re: shadyshroomie]
#27180784 - 02/01/21 11:06 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Exposure to oxygen, moisture, and uv. Store in an airtight container out of sunlight. People experience degradation in potency often because they toss their dried mushrooms into a sandwich baggy and toss them on their rolling tray in their living room, all the while getting bashed up and exposed to the humidity from the environment, increased surface area from breakage increases exposure to oxygen/moisture, and maybe the sun is beating down on them at the same time, maybe not 
Store in airtight jars or in vacuum sealed bags, store those in a cupboards/ drawers/totes.
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shadyshroomie
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob (moved) [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#27180799 - 02/01/21 11:12 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ahh gotcha, thanks. Makes sense.
How is potency affected/not affected when used to brew tea? Or make honey? Chocolates? For example, if you use an ounce to make a big batch of chocolates, will the chocolates last as long as the chocolate itself would? Or does altering the delivery method have an effect on alkaloid degradation variables? (like maybe in chocolate it is easier to degrade, or the moisture decreases its storage timeframe, etc.)
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Pandemoon
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob (moved) [Re: shadyshroomie]
#27182396 - 02/02/21 07:40 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's the other way around. Chocolate locks the alkaloids dark and airtight inside. I had chocolates that were two and a half years old that felt as potent as the first day. I store my chocolates in the fridge, though. The pralines turn a little white on the outside over time in the fridge, but that's not bad, it's just the sugar recrystalizing on the surface. They are still good to eat.
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob [Re: shadyshroomie]
#27777433 - 05/14/22 10:06 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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interesting
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high_desert
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Years ago I grew out about 5 cube strains and nothing came close to Cambodians as far as size and yield went. I always attributed this to the strains's strengths being a match with my climate as my op wasn't a very controlled environment. As far as potency goes I think they were all about the same. As far as type of experience goes, I think it's probably all psychological but this is something that's impossible to ever know given all the variables and the mystery of the human mind.
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob [Re: shadyshroomie]
#27785089 - 05/19/22 11:45 PM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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A cube is a cube should go down as blasphemous. It’s like saying a “sativa is a sativa, Indica is an indica, hybrids a hybrid. Every single different type of psilocybin cultivar is different from One another. Even within the same genetics. So no a “cube is not a cube”, quit sprouting this dumb statement as it makes you look uninformed
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Re: A Cube is not a Cube... a memoir from a Noob [Re: high_desert]
#27785123 - 05/20/22 12:21 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
high_desert said: Years ago I grew out about 5 cube strains and nothing came close to Cambodians as far as size and yield went. I always attributed this to the strains's strengths being a match with my climate as my op wasn't a very controlled environment. As far as potency goes I think they were all about the same. As far as type of experience goes, I think it's probably all psychological but this is something that's impossible to ever know given all the variables and the mystery of the human mind.
Cambodians are the only "regular cube" where I don't really buy it. The potency was the same as other varieties but the cambos colonized everything ultra quick, were super contam resistant because of it and the yield was stellar. And it couldn't have been my prep techniques that led to such good results, it was my first grow ever from scratch.
Sadly I don't have the culture anymore, if anyone has some good prints or swabs hit me up please!
Edited by Ankhseramun (05/20/22 12:22 AM)
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