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Weird ugly penis envy?
    #27071425 - 12/04/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Hey there.  Some of my penis envy tubs come up looking like knotted up masses of weirdness first flush, then seem normal in subsequent flushes.  Not all tubs, just some tubs.  Is this a genetic thing?  I'm using Bod's Unmodified Monotub method.  It works well...just having these strange flushes.  Thought maybe it was CO2 build-up, but even with fanning it's a crap shoot.  Thoughts?




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Re: Weird ugly penis envy? [Re: kingsiZemidget]
    #27071438 - 12/04/20 09:03 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

PE will do that unless you use a thick, peat based casing layer.. check out this thread by Tedsdead https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26528392/page/7/fpart/all. Otherwise they blob like that (but grow normally after the first flush)

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Re: Weird ugly penis envy? [Re: fahtster]
    #27071488 - 12/04/20 09:45 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

This was helpful as I've currently got ape on agar going for my first PE grow, didn't know about the peat casing glad I found this post


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Re: Weird ugly penis envy? [Re: fahtster]
    #27071572 - 12/04/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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PE will do that unless you use a thick, peat based casing layer.. check out this thread by Tedsdead https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26528392/page/7/fpart/all. Otherwise they blob like that (but grow normally after the first flush)

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Is it doable with just a coir casing?

Just finished my PE tubs and I cased with coir. First flush was about 20% blobs and the rest were fine. My coir casing wasn't particularly thick so perhaps I need to make it bigger?


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Re: Weird ugly penis envy? [Re: Socrateshroom] * 1
    #27071576 - 12/04/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You want it thicker than a bowl of oatmeal


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Re: Weird ugly penis envy? [Re: pureshrooming]
    #27071591 - 12/04/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It really need the peat in there.. it’ll just colonize the coir and become part of the sub, unlike the 50/50+ peat/verm.  You can use coir like you are but you’ll continue to run into that “problem”.. you can always look for a culture that does alright with the coir casing.

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Re: Weird ugly penis envy? [Re: fahtster]
    #27071600 - 12/04/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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It really need the peat in there.. it’ll just colonize the coir and become part of the sub, unlike the 50/50+ peat/verm.  You can use coir like you are but you’ll continue to run into that “problem”.. you can always look for a culture that does alright with the coir casing.

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I see. I'll try the peat/verm casing on the next one :cheers:


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Re: Weird ugly penis envy? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #27071613 - 12/04/20 11:01 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Just follow that link I sent ya.. you want the casing to end up being an inch thick.. I add a 1/2” when the top of the sub is completely white (3-5 days after spawning) then when that is colonized, case entire sub again with another 1/2” and patch after that, misting lightly every 1-2 days depending on how dry the peat looks.  Jiffy mix already comes ready to use out of the bag.. just pasteurize it (some ppl use it without pasteurizing it but that’s risky to me... pasteurizing is ez pz). If you mix you own verm and peat.. you do need to add a ph buffer

This is what that casing strategy can/does do



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Re: Weird ugly penis envy? [Re: fahtster]
    #27071791 - 12/04/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I know those fruits all too well.. Use a thin layer of jiffy seed starter ( I pasturize mine) as a casing layer at full colonization as a cheap easy mitigator.

Edit, what faht said.. did not read his reply before opening my mouth.



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Re: Weird ugly penis envy? [Re: fahtster]
    #27072599 - 12/04/20 08:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Just follow that link I sent ya.. you want the casing to end up being an inch thick.. I add a 1/2” when the top of the sub is completely white (3-5 days after spawning) then when that is colonized, case entire sub again with another 1/2” and patch after that, misting lightly every 1-2 days depending on how dry the peat looks.  Jiffy mix already comes ready to use out of the bag.. just pasteurize it (some ppl use it without pasteurizing it but that’s risky to me... pasteurizing is ez pz). If you mix you own verm and peat.. you do need to add a ph buffer

This is what that casing strategy can/does do



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I'm gonna try the Jiffy mix.  Think I can pasteurize using coir-type bucket tek?  And any clue as to the water to mix ratio?  I appreciate everyone's input.  This site is fucking awesome.


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Re: Weird ugly penis envy? [Re: kingsiZemidget]
    #27072654 - 12/04/20 09:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Bucket tek isn’t really pasteurizing.. here’s how I pasteurize on the stove https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26529619#26529619. You want the jiffy seed starter mix to be moist to wet but not muddy.. shouldn’t have a lot of clumping

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Re: Weird ugly penis envy? [Re: fahtster]
    #27072669 - 12/04/20 09:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Is pasteurization by pressure cooking recommended? or is it overkill?


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Re: Weird ugly penis envy? [Re: handsomedead]
    #27072673 - 12/04/20 09:46 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You want to maintain a temp of about 155F (don’t go below 140F and above 170F) so that the middle of the peat maintains that temp range for an hour.. anything above 170F will start to sterilize it killing off the beneficial microbes which allow molds and bacteria get a foothold.

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Re: Weird ugly penis envy? [Re: fahtster]
    #27072687 - 12/04/20 10:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

thank you for that quick and helpful response! follow up questions. 1) how much casing do you recommend for a proper casing layer? 2) I bought some peat and already had a big bag of verm and just needed lime to make my own. now i see the jiffy mix and want to use that. would adding more peat to the mix compromise the casing?


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