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Any i wasting time using shoeboxes compared to monos?
    #27070721 - 12/03/20 08:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So I’ve done shoeboxes for awhile, I was thinking I’m going to start doing some monos. Maby it’ll help the yields maby not. I’ve read people talking about this before but maby some other people can chime in with their opinions. Thanks.

I like shoeboxes because if something fucks up you won’t lose everything.


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Re: Any i wasting time using shoeboxes compared to monos? [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #27070726 - 12/03/20 08:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

yes


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Re: Any i wasting time using shoeboxes compared to monos? [Re: tripdawg420]
    #27070747 - 12/03/20 09:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I could look it up to have the right amount, but let’s say you use 6 quarts for a monotub and 2 quarts for a shoebox, you’d get more then 3x the yield?


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Re: Any i wasting time using shoeboxes compared to monos? [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #27070751 - 12/03/20 09:11 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

i use 5 qts per mono and average 10 dry oz in 2 flushes :shrug:


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Re: Any i wasting time using shoeboxes compared to monos? [Re: tripdawg420]
    #27070768 - 12/03/20 09:20 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Do both! They both have their benefits


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Re: Any i wasting time using shoeboxes compared to monos? [Re: tripdawg420]
    #27070775 - 12/03/20 09:23 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I get better conditions in a mono vs shoe box, really depends. on if you are going for volume or just growing out a variety.  My volume math is usually off, and I get 2 extra shoeboxes worth of sub from a two mono tub grow.  Maybe the best of both worlds.  The shoe boxes put off crazier growth for the most part.

I prefer a successful tub though


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Re: Any i wasting time using shoeboxes compared to monos? [Re: SYF8]
    #27070797 - 12/03/20 09:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I only use shoes for testing genetics anymore. Never done the required testing to say exactly what can produce more. I've had some great shoes in my day. But, as stated above, They can be a tad harder to maintain proper conditions in.


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Re: Any i wasting time using shoeboxes compared to monos? [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27070810 - 12/03/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The only reason I Havnt done monos is bc I worry that if one jar is a little fucky it can ruin the whole mono. I mean if there is enough healthy myc, it should overpower any contams or no?

I could see it being easier to hold proper conditions tho.


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Re: Any i wasting time using shoeboxes compared to monos? [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic]
    #27070822 - 12/03/20 09:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

no, contams can overrun way faster than your myc can spread to uncolonized grain


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Re: Any i wasting time using shoeboxes compared to monos? [Re: mycorhizo]
    #27070826 - 12/03/20 09:51 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Ya that’s what I’ve experienced whenever I’ve had contams, figured I’d ask though.


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Re: Any i wasting time using shoeboxes compared to monos? [Re: CatsLoveHouseMusic] * 1
    #27070828 - 12/03/20 09:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

NO. I DON'T USUALLY SCREAM ON THE BOARDS BUT

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A little bacteria is a little bacteria and pretty normal. Subs can survive that. Molds will kick your ass and you'll end up with nothing. It is true that separating spawn jars into shoes instead of combining them can save you. This isn't a problem once you get good at the whole game. Even the best lose tubs from time to time but it's not like when you are new and can't tell your ass from your elbow.


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Re: Any i wasting time using shoeboxes compared to monos? [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27070852 - 12/03/20 10:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

so if you get the SB game down will you yield the same as a mono quart for quart of spawn? or will a SB never give you the yield mono will?


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Re: Any i wasting time using shoeboxes compared to monos? [Re: TheBoJim]
    #27070894 - 12/03/20 10:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know. One would have to run dozens and dozens of tests with well tested genetics and keep meticulous notes of everything to be able to give you an honest and trustworthy answer to that. I'd be tempted to say that monos will beat shoes but i really would be guessing. And that's coming from someone who's done plenty of both. I have a good friend that really likes putting about half the ingredients of a mono into a cloning tray and he claims he gets pretty much the same yield. He's also an excellent cultivator though...


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Re: Any i wasting time using shoeboxes compared to monos? [Re: TheBoJim]
    #27071115 - 12/04/20 02:33 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I have had SB give out the same BE as monos if you extrapolate the spawn by 4, but the issue is always different wedges in different jars and the possibility of a hidden contam. You can always do one wedge to a master and G2G that to ,5 jars. For me the idea of running 5 SB and 1 mono means the same output with less overall stress. That being said Im not a big tub guy.


I hear using a Bathroom Tub can be successful. Lol


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Re: Any i wasting time using shoeboxes compared to monos? [Re: verum subsequentis]
    #27071116 - 12/04/20 02:34 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

IME, shoeboxes yielded slightly less than monos, but agree with the"all eggs in one basket" mentality. Issues arose when doing many variants at once. 4-6 shoeboxes each for 8 variants can get overwhelming quickly compared to 8 monos.
Yield comparison is entirely not a controlled study (different strains of different variants and multiple variable over the time period in question) and can't be used as anything more than anecdotal. Really comes down to preference.


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Re: Any i wasting time using shoeboxes compared to monos? [Re: Sockadin]
    #27071119 - 12/04/20 02:35 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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I have had SB give out the same BE as monos if you extrapolate the spawn by 4, but the issue is always different wedges in different jars and the possibility of a hidden contam. You can always do one wedge to a master and G2G that to ,5 jars. For me the idea of running 5 SB and 1 mono means the same output with less overall stress. That being said Im not a big tub guy.


I hear using a Bathroom Tub can be successful. Lol




Haha, Pastey Whyte gets drunk and spawns a tub was a great thread. Also saw someone do the same with kiddie pools.


Edited by GypsyBastard (12/04/20 02:35 AM)


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Re: Any i wasting time using shoeboxes compared to monos? [Re: GypsyBastard]
    #27071656 - 12/04/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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