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Extended Night Cycle to Increase Fruiting Size? * 1
    #27070434 - 12/03/20 05:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Hello,

I had a question and this seemed the best place to ask:
So to my understanding mushrooms generally increase more in size at night and spore release is also activated by light. So my question is if you were to extend the night cycle right before you think that they are going to break their veil (or around that time) if you could increase fruiting size without any negative effects?

Let me know if this is the wrong place to ask or for clarification.

Thanks.


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Re: Extended Night Cycle to Increase Fruiting Size? [Re: TDM]
    #27077161 - 12/07/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Gotta look into this, I've always just rolled with the 12/12, but I've heard of extending the dark longer during fruiting.


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Re: Extended Night Cycle to Increase Fruiting Size? [Re: Kromazone]
    #27088296 - 12/14/20 06:32 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Can you explain how you determined mushrooms generally increase more in size at night?


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Re: Extended Night Cycle to Increase Fruiting Size? [Re: bw86] * 1
    #27088544 - 12/14/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Probably through observation. Mine always grow more during the night. And I also considered leaving them more in the dark but I think that if this would have an effect others would of noticed by now and it would be standard procedure.


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Re: Extended Night Cycle to Increase Fruiting Size? [Re: nosf3r4tu] * 1
    #27089035 - 12/14/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I've left a shoebox or two in the dark by accident more than a few times and I always come back to laaaaarge and long fruits.
Check my signature for a can of paint that was left in a dark basement. Grew some big fuckers.


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Re: Extended Night Cycle to Increase Fruiting Size? [Re: starbones]
    #27089179 - 12/14/20 04:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Light-starving during fruiting ehhh? Very interesting :takingnotes:


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Re: Extended Night Cycle to Increase Fruiting Size? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #27089207 - 12/14/20 05:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)




Left, a muda bottle forgotten about in the lab which is mainly dark except for some light seepage when the door isn't fully closed. Loooong fucking stipes, small caps. Edit: I guess there's light when I'm working in there too but it's fuck all, an 80w incandescent and a small 2' fluorescent of unknown colour temperature.

Right, one of the many mudas from the 12x14' room being lit with 10x 4' 32w 6500k fluorescents on 12/12.

Same culture.

The problem with this is there's nothing scientific about it because I lack controls and I've not investigated it further as I've always adhered to 12/12. So unless the results can be repeated it's moot. I'm sure any cultivator here has seen a substrate or two in their time that was mostly in the dark put out loooooong mushrooms.

See my problem with things is that we get information from all sorts of sources and sometimes it's inaccurate (Stamets and his 0.5s of light is all thats needed) and other sources which are studies on fungiculture but using completely different species like oysters. I'd love to see an indepth, properly performed experiment using controls with actual quantifiable and verifiable data. Then it gets even more fucked because some cultures have conditions they thrive in while others will suck balls. Look at CO2 tolerant cultures from bag growers. Some of those cultivators can fill bags with WEIGHT from some cubensis vars where other cubensis genetics will choke and do fuckola.

Maybe there is a time to lower light, maybe not. Won't know until someone tries. I've got a few hundred muda bottles on the go and I can try putting some in darkness as an experiment I guess, or reduced light. I mean after pins form.

I forgot I also notice a really big difference in pigmentation too. Fruits I've had in darkness always end up pale with very little spore released seemingly.


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Re: Extended Night Cycle to Increase Fruiting Size? [Re: starbones]
    #27090501 - 12/15/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the info + pics, they are great. I  know that light has a very direct effect on the release of spores and it makes sense that it would also affect pigmentation. In my original question was more just depriving them of light maybe one or two light cycles before you think they will break their veils. Looking back I think that I combined the processes of 1. the veil breaking and 2. growth stopping. Not sure. I also curious if this light deprivation also would have an affect on the amount of psilo that is produced.


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Re: Extended Night Cycle to Increase Fruiting Size? [Re: TDM]
    #27093622 - 12/17/20 07:17 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I dont think you'll get a big difference,  otherwise anyone growing in the winter months would have monster flushes unless you're artificially feeding them light. Personally I just have indirect sunlight for my source and I've never noticed fruits to be giant in the winter. Perhaps once I get a culture down to a single strain I will attempt 1 tub in constant darkness and see what happens.


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Re: Extended Night Cycle to Increase Fruiting Size? [Re: zMan]
    #27098706 - 12/20/20 03:21 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Very few of us have the funding to  research the yields if any. How about take your biggest mushrooms to agar isolation and controlling your environment and genetics. Much more quantifiable that way


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Re: Extended Night Cycle to Increase Fruiting Size? [Re: TDM]
    #27098724 - 12/20/20 03:44 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Not a total answer to your question, but I think your observation is correct cuz RR says "the fruit bodies seem to grow the most during the period of darkness. You can all prove that by simply measuring your growing mushrooms when you turn the light on, and again when you shut it off. You'll find growth is higher during the dark phase"


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Re: Extended Night Cycle to Increase Fruiting Size? [Re: RamJam]
    #27098744 - 12/20/20 04:25 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

There is no way to quantify it without a strain isolate and many many many tests. You can improve elsewhere for better yields without light and dark mysticism or grow in the dark if you think it works better seems to work for button mushrooms.


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