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Cactus alkaloids questions
    #27070396 - 12/03/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I know the difference between PC trichs and non PC. How much alkaloids are lost everytime a pup forms and is chopped off? Also do ones that sprout from the base be considered not as non PC as the main stem like this picture?


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Re: Cactus alkaloids questions [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27071365 - 12/04/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think that cactus has a few years left before developing any appreciable mescaline.

You may not understand PC, it's a cultivar, like a strain... 
If a plant is the PC cultivar, all limbs are also.  If it is not PC, all the new growth will still be not PC.  The arms don't change to become a different cactus, it's just like branches on a tree:  it's all the same tree.


How many alkaloids are lost when a pup is chopped off?

How many oranges are lost when you cut a branch off an orange tree?


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Re: Cactus alkaloids questions [Re: flickedbic]
    #27071393 - 12/04/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Then I don't understand why san pedro from home depot are pc?

I thought it had something to do with how many times a pup was cut from a pup of the plant that was seeded that determined if it was non pc


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    #27071751 - 12/04/20 12:23 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

No, PC is like a strain.

It's like how marijuana has many strains.  Each of these different strains give unique effects based on their genetics.

PC just stands for Predominant Cultivar.  It's the most common clone.  It also happens to be very weak in effect.  Many think PC is not actually a pachanoi at all, but that's above my paygrade.

PC is just a specific cultivar that has weak shamanic effect.  Other pachanoi, however, can be twice as strong as peyote.  Pachanoi found in Matacuana or Lima seem to fit the bill, like Ogun and Landfill.  There are Trichocereus bridgesii cultivars that are very strong like SS02, Lumberjack is also solid.

There are also cultivars of Trichocereus macrogonus, peruvianus, and scopulicola that have proven themselves.  Focus on finding a desirable clone, the genetics will handle much of the rest.


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Re: Cactus alkaloids questions [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27071754 - 12/04/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I thought it had something to do with how many times a pup was cut from a pup of the plant that was seeded that determined if it was non pc




This is incorrect/an outdated theory. Look at how much some people pay for trendy cuts that are not morphologically impressive, if continuous cutting propagation significantly reduced alkaloid production people would not pay the outrageous prices they do.

Pc is common in places like home depot because it is the most wide spread variety which can be obtained in higher volume and for likely a much lower price.

Pc is just not very potent stock, though with luck/the right environmental conditions it's far from useless in regards to potency

Here across the pond PC is uncommon, garden centers are much more likely to have seed grown Bridgesii, and some people have gone out of their way to acquire PC anyway or even import it.


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Re: Cactus alkaloids questions [Re: Truncheon Luncheon]
    #27071939 - 12/04/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I got 3 different types of seeds.
T Peruvianus var Tarma
T Peruvianus var Matucana (I think you mentioned this, it's good?)
T Peruvianus var Ancash

Do you know about any of these and what a rough percentage of alkaloid content could be? I know obviously they could be .1% but also more.


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    #27072636 - 12/04/20 09:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think tarma stands for tarmaensis.  Probably very low alkoloids.

Matucana are the seeds I'd be most interested in.  They probably have the best chance of being actual Trichocereus peruvianus.

Ancash is hard to say.  Possibly low alkaloid if they come out looking like cuzcoensis.




Your best bet is to buy a good clone or two.  Clones are consistent.  Who knows what will come from seed?


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    #27072772 - 12/04/20 11:49 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Well the low alkaloids ones I guess will be good grafters for some lophs if I ever get any to germ or can get some pups.


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Re: Cactus alkaloids questions [Re: RaRaRasputin]
    #27089419 - 12/14/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Ordered more seeds.  Any options on trichocereus-ss02-bridgesii-x-bbg-peruvianus


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    #27089758 - 12/15/20 01:06 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Seeds are so variable, each seed will grow a cactus different from every other seed.

However SS02 is a powerhouse, and being the mother (mother  x father = SS02 x BBG) means the seedlings will carry more SS02 genetics. 

That peruvianus is big, beautiful and blue if it's what I think... a very interesting hybrid,  I bet a good number of those seeds will yield potent plants!


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Re: Cactus alkaloids questions [Re: flickedbic]
    #27090276 - 12/15/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks. I'm going to put them all to soil here this weekend, I need to get some fungicide first for my soil. I'm going to track them and see which kinds I got are potent via alkaloid extractions then compare by weight. I'm hoping to do a giveaway in a couple years. I got quite a few perks to graft them to so I hope it doesn't take long.


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    #27090724 - 12/15/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds awesome man, happy sowing!


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