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Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread 25
#27070123 - 12/03/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey. I just couldn't wait for this thread anymore. I see more and more people cultivating this species, I just got started with it, and from the stories I've read about it, it definitely deserves it's own thread. I just want to get it started. So, if you have any experience, questions, suggestions,... feel free to participate.
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Moopers said: Hi all!
I've read through every page of this thread and some grow longs, and I've attempted to compile comprehensive notes on growing P. subtropicalis, organizing the wisdom/experience of many of the growers here into topics. It's in my signature and also here. I hope it will become a useful resource.
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Melgo said: Hey guys,
If you're interested, here's my take on growing the beautiful mushroom: Growing Semperviva/Subtropicalis - My standard procedure, it all comes down to the basics.
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] 1
#27070148 - 12/03/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Since I know nothing about those, maybe a short introduction?
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#27070173 - 12/03/20 02:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] 8
#27070187 - 12/03/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just for clarification because it bothers me so much to see these misnomers being thrown around.
Is this thread meant to be focused on hoogshagenii or subtropicales? I ask becaus hoogshagenii var convexa and semperviva are old outdated names for the species called Psilocybe subtropicales. Subtropicales is not directly related to hoogshagenii. The iconic big nippled hoogshagenii is a separate species of which few have spores of.
VS Psilocybe hoogshagenii Psilocybe subtropicales
Having said that, It is my opinion that subtropicales is the best mushroom for cultivation after one gains experience with cubensis. It is better in every way, trust me and try it, but get your spores from a reputable source. I have 4 sets of subtropicales genetics and two of them are by far more aggressive at pinning and colonization than the others.
My preferred strategy with these is to set a petri dish(must be the ventilated type) with subtropicales myc aside for a few months to wait for a dish pin. Clone that dish pin and use it to nock up grain jars. It should do the trick for just about every type of fruiting chamber. Just be sure that the plate that has been set aside to pin has only had maybe 2 transfers from the original so to retain as many sets of genes as possible.
I have a flush coming up right now that should be ready for pics in a few weeks!(it's cold, so they are slow) I'll post 'em when they happen
Edit: Here's a pic of those pins. This specific culture seems to really like a plain Choir casing layer compared to peat:verm.
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry] 1
#27070202 - 12/03/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Waiting for my Semperviva spores to germinate rn so I'll tag along for this thread. Good call nosferatu
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: Tweeq] 1
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: mushhead] 1
#27070227 - 12/03/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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smalltalk_canceled said: More tubs pinning:
Fruits maturing:
"Which" is this? Semper, Hogshagenii subtropical?
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry] 1
#27070267 - 12/03/20 03:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sure would love to see a grow of that nippled P. hoogshagenii.
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: elpico] 2
#27070269 - 12/03/20 03:57 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm hoping for the same but it is a very rare psilocybe from what I've read up on it. I have a P. hoogshagenii var. convexa print I grabbed up from a reputable source and will join in with whatever info I can gather.
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: mushhead] 4
#27070334 - 12/03/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Great idea! I hope this thread takes off, this species doesn't get the attention it deserves. I am currently fruiting some in a mini mono, the pinset was pretty uneven but it is starting to fill out nicely
Also had to take a picture of this chunky fruit with a cool stripe
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry] 1
#27070341 - 12/03/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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mycorry said: The iconic big nippled hoogshagenii is a separate species of which few have spores of.
Interesting, thanks for sharing this info. The nippled hoogshageni supposedly grows down here in northern Argentina, in a province that I'm most likely going to visit next year. Other rare Psilocybe species mentioned found by Singer/Guzman in Tafi del Valle, Tucuman province (Argentina), were P. Zapotecorum, and P. collybioides, the latter of which I have found NO pictures except for this.
Would you happen to know the best time of the year to visit to find P. hoogshageni or these other species? If I get to these species and grow them I'll be sure to spread them prints like wildfire.
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry] 2
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mycorry said: ... a separate species of which few have spores of.
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: bw86] 1
#27070351 - 12/03/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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mycorry said: The iconic big nippled hoogshagenii is a separate species of which few have spores of.
Interesting, thanks for sharing this info. The nippled hoogshageni supposedly grows down here in northern Argentina, in a province that I'm most likely going to visit next year. Other rare Psilocybe species mentioned found by Singer/Guzman in Tafi del Valle, Tucuman province (Argentina), were P. Zapotecorum, and P. collybioides, the latter of which I have found NO pictures except for this.
Would you happen to know the best time of the year to visit to find P. hoogshageni or these other species? If I get to these species and grow them I'll be sure to spread them prints like wildfire.
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bw86 said:
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mycorry said: ... a separate species of which few have spores of.
P.Hoogshagenii and P. hoogshagenii var. convexa (Semperviva) are two different mushrooms.
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: mushhead] 2
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not confusing at all. I guess convexa would indicate it has no nipple...
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: bw86] 1
#27070359 - 12/03/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is why mycorry made a great effort in distinguishing the two.
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: mushhead] 1
#27070362 - 12/03/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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so do i have Psilocybe subtropicales?
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#27070364 - 12/03/20 04:56 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: mushhead] 2
#27070397 - 12/03/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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mushhead said: If you're able to find a good amount of fruits you could spread more than a few spore prints.
I'll try my best and gather info on the best seasonal conditions for this mushroom and sync my trip to Tucuman accordingly. I was there with my family last year so I couldn't go mushroom hunting at all. Got a better car now so it'd be a great excuse to hit the road, once the fucking COVID-19 situation here settles a bit.
As for the other mystery Psilocybe species (P. Collybioides), I ONLY found it described in English on this 1958 Mycology journal, pages 284-288. There's drawings of its spores as well but I've got no clue about microscopy. I think we need Dr. Alan Rockefeller to come down here. I don't know if there's info on it's edibility/psychoactivity. K, I'm done derailing the thread with this other species.
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Threa [Re: jomanda1990] 1
#27070441 - 12/03/20 05:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'll have at least 5-10 prints to share by January
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: jomanda1990] 2
#27070448 - 12/03/20 05:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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So is OP actually referring to P. Subtropicalis? I have been referring to the species I have as Semperviva because I have been confused as to what species it actually is. It appears I have Subtropicalis. Thanks for the clarification Mycorry
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smalltalk_canceled said: I'll have at least 5-10 prints to share by January
Of which species?
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Threa [Re: jomanda1990] 1
#27070546 - 12/03/20 06:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Smalltalk is growing Semperviva (Hoog. var. convexa AKA subtropicales)
Me too
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#27070551 - 12/03/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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True hoogs tend to grow in clay I believe. Those lil umbrella caps are super neat
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Threa [Re: Yeetusdeetus] 1
#27070594 - 12/03/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ahaaaaaaaaaaa
I guess when didn't see the wizard nipples I should have known
What should I call it when I describe it to others? P. Subtropicale ? Semperviva? Psilocybe Hogshagenii
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"P. Hogshagenii var convexa" also called "Semperviva"
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry] 1
#27071072 - 12/04/20 01:47 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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mycorry said: Just for clarification because it bothers me so much to see these misnomers being thrown around.
Is this thread meant to be focused on hoogshagenii or subtropicales? I ask becaus hoogshagenii var convexa and semperviva are old outdated names for the species called Psilocybe subtropicales. Subtropicales is not directly related to hoogshagenii. The iconic big nippled hoogshagenii is a separate species of which few have spores of.
VS Psilocybe hoogshagenii Psilocybe subtropicales
Having said that, It is my opinion that subtropicales is the best mushroom for cultivation after one gains experience with cubensis. It is better in every way, trust me and try it, but get your spores from a reputable source. I have 4 sets of subtropicales genetics and two of them are by far more aggressive at pinning and colonization than the others.
My preferred strategy with these is to set a petri dish(must be the ventilated type) with subtropicales myc aside for a few months to wait for a dish pin. Clone that dish pin and use it to nock up grain jars. It should do the trick for just about every type of fruiting chamber. Just be sure that the plate that has been set aside to pin has only had maybe 2 transfers from the original so to retain as many sets of genes as possible.
I have a flush coming up right now that should be ready for pics in a few weeks!(it's cold, so they are slow) I'll post 'em when they happen
Edit: Here's a pic of those pins. This specific culture seems to really like a plain Choir casing layer compared to peat:verm.
Made this thread before going to bed and woke up to 24 posts already 😊 Thank you mycorry for the clarification. That's exactly why I started this. Seems like a wonderful species and has so much confusion around it that makes people stay away. I've already edited the title of the thread and I want to edit the first post/introduction with info on the species that may help anyone interested to get started. This ^ may take some time cuz I just found out I got funding to start a mushroom farm and my thoughts are all over the place now...
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] 1
#27071108 - 12/04/20 02:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here's my little project
I have 4 of those containers. Sterilized substrate inoculated with agar wedge (strait from the inoculation plate) 1 part barley, 1 part manure, 1 part straw. (The same recipe I used for cubes). I've used this approach with panaeolus and had 100% success rate. (Different substrate recipe)
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] 1
#27071131 - 12/04/20 02:45 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I hope to get spores soon.
Are they the same potency as pans but easier to grow ? That would be wonderful.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] 4
#27071148 - 12/04/20 03:09 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't think pans are hard. More complicated... probably. But they move a lot faster than semperviva. On the flip side semperviva is slow and steady. Very resistant to contamination and can produce for long periods of time. Over 1 year. I don't know if it's worth to keep it going for that long though. This makes me wonder if it could be posible to add new substrate/food to it. Just like people add wood chips on woodlovers beads and keep them going for 10+years. If that could be possible than it really is worthy of its name. Semperviva - For Ever Living. Potency I've heard is on the same level with pans but have not tried semperviva yet.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Asura] 1
#27071209 - 12/04/20 05:13 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Didn't know shit about subtropicales/semperviva until I started reading through this thread (other than the most rudimentary info, plus I have been watching a guy on IG pull decent subtrop. harvests and getting jealous...). Learned something today. Pretty excited to try these. Thanks for the great post btw, nosf3r4tu.
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry] 1
#27071298 - 12/04/20 06:51 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow those hoogshageni look funny awesome
I have this thumbnail preview plugin that enlarges pics when hovering above them, its great. For anyone who doesnt have such a thing I recommend clicking on it and looking at it in large!
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: RiverBum] 2
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RiverBum said: So is OP actually referring to P. Subtropicalis? I have been referring to the species I have as Semperviva because I have been confused as to what species it actually is. It appears I have Subtropicalis. Thanks for the clarification Mycorry
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: xspak] 2
#27072043 - 12/04/20 02:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks, they truly are a beautiful species.
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xspak said: Are they the same potency as pans but easier to grow ? That would be wonderful.
In my experience they are very easy to grow but not quite as potent as pans. The potency is more similar to mexicana, which is still quite strong!
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mycorry!
I have a bag going now...about 5 whole pins so far I think this attempt might be good.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Asura] 1
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just made me buy a print 😇
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: el gordo] 1
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Got two more fresh prints to share, pm, looking for ape lape apeu any albino cube strain really
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First come, first served
PM'd you since my print turned out to be too old.
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#27072499 - 12/04/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Got one subtropicale print left now to request
Good clusters?
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smalltalk_canceled said: Got one Hogshagenii var convexa print left now to request
Good clusters?
I thought we had this sorted by now. Semperviva = Psilocybe Subtropicales Not Ps. Hoogshagenii var Convexa
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RiverBum said: In my experience they are very easy to grow but not quite as potent as pans. The potency is more similar to mexicana, which is still quite strong!
Wasnt p.mexicana equally potent as cubes?
How does one get one of these prints?
I'm from Argentina i didnt know they grew in the north.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Sankhara] 2
#27074352 - 12/05/20 10:56 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Got 1 shoebox and 3 tubs going currently
Looking forward to eat these guys
So far three caps failed to lay spores on fail, but three caps laid spores on paper
Sry for outside host, outta pictures space
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RiverBum said: In my experience they are very easy to grow but not quite as potent as pans. The potency is more similar to mexicana, which is still quite strong!
Wasnt p.mexicana equally potent as cubes? How does one get one of these prints?
I'm from Argentina i didnt know they grew in the north.
From what I've read, P. Mexicana/Galindoi/Tampanensis fruiting bodies are about 1.5 to 2 times the potency of average cubes. Haven't tried them myself yet tho.
And yes, there have been a few sightings of the OG Ps. Hoogshagenii (not Semperviva/Subtropicales) in Tafi del Valle, Tucuman, but they are from around 1958 lmao. Maybe the locals there know something about this. It's very difficult to not notice the funny nipple on the mushroom cap; I bet some people there at least are aware of this species' existence (but perhaps not of its psychoactive properties). I don't know anyone who lives there, but perhaps we could ask in some reddit/facebook community from Tucuman?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: jomanda1990] 2
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Mini mono update. These fruits mature very slowly but this first flush is almost done! Harvested 65 grams fresh a few days before this pic was taken. Looking forward to seeing the total yield
I should note that I have fruited these at temps as low as 68°F but this tub was fruited at 80° with similar results. Seems they are not too picky about temperature
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: RiverBum] 2
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Wow! Looks fantastic! What substrate? Any details on the monotub design, unmodified, holes of some sort? Curious how much FAE they need.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose] 1
#27077853 - 12/07/20 09:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah that looks amazing RiverBum! Congrats on the successful grow!
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: RiverBum] 1
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RiverBum said: Mini mono update. These fruits mature very slowly but this first flush is almost done! Harvested 65 grams fresh a few days before this pic was taken. Looking forward to seeing the total yield
I should note that I have fruited these at temps as low as 68°F but this tub was fruited at 80° with similar results. Seems they are not too picky about temperature
Jesus H. Christ, dude. You gotta do a write up.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Asura] 1
#27077888 - 12/07/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ambrose said: Wow! Looks fantastic! What substrate? Any details on the monotub design, unmodified, holes of some sort? Curious how much FAE they need.
Substrate is coir verm coffee grounds and sand. I also use sand in the casing. The chamber is a traditional 32 qt mono with 6 1-1/2" holes. They do not need much FAE but they have honestly fruited well in every chamber I have tried them in.
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Jesus H. Christ, dude. You gotta do a write up.
I'll try to throw one together when I have some spare time
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: RiverBum] 1
#27077917 - 12/07/20 10:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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No way. Been waiting for this. I’ma go ahead and slide up in here with this shoebox I just cased day before yesterday.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: RiverBum] 1
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RiverBum said: Mini mono update. These fruits mature very slowly but this first flush is almost done! Harvested 65 grams fresh a few days before this pic was taken. Looking forward to seeing the total yield
I should note that I have fruited these at temps as low as 68°F but this tub was fruited at 80° with similar results. Seems they are not too picky about temperature
Dude! Beautiful
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So far three caps failed to lay spores on fail, but three caps laid spores on paper
From what I know you should leave them until you see spores on the gills. Probably a week after the caps are fully open. They are as slow at sporulating as they are in fruiting.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] 1
#27078071 - 12/08/20 01:26 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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And I think I lost 2 out of 4 containers to mold... I'll be pouring some plates tonight and I hope to find some clean myc in there to put to agar. But I think the other 2 are enough to find a good clone.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] 2
#27083452 - 12/11/20 05:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ready to print?
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Ready to print?
Just wanna say those look awesome. If you end up eating any please report back on your experience! Y'all got me hyped for these.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose] 1
#27083946 - 12/11/20 12:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ready to print?
Just wanna say those look awesome. If you end up eating any please report back on your experience! Y'all got me hyped for these.
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Ready to print?
Idk but ready to clone for sure. Looks like one huge cluster (and ready to eat too!)
We need that tripreport. Great job
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Tweeq] 1
#27084495 - 12/11/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fantastic job s_c !!!
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal] 1
#27084541 - 12/11/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Print fuckers U making me look Even
Worse
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They take a LONG time to be ready to print man-- wait until the gills are DARK and then wait a couple more days.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal] 1
#27084727 - 12/11/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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S_C Great job!
The only way to know if they are ready to print is by taking a close look at the gills. Subtrop spores are black so once you start seeing it build up it is time to print them.
Please be sure to clone that cluster.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry] 2
#27084747 - 12/11/20 09:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looks great S_C! Like the others said give em time and let the gills get nice and dark and you will get good prints Meanwhile I harvested the last fruits to mature from my mini mono yesterday!
That pile weighed in at 280g fresh and my total weight from the first flush was 445g of fresh potent mushrooms! Love this species!
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: RiverBum] 1
#27084870 - 12/12/20 12:11 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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RiverBum said: Looks great S_C! Like the others said give em time and let the gills get nice and dark and you will get good prints Meanwhile I harvested the last fruits to mature from my mini mono yesterday!
That pile weighed in at 280g fresh and my total weight from the first flush was 445g of fresh potent mushrooms! Love this species!
What spawn/sub ration (recipe) did you use to get that harvest?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] 1
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nosf3r4tu said:What spawn/sub ration (recipe) did you use to get that harvest?
2 quarts of good old Pennington's bird seed spawned to 4 quarts of coffee supplemented coir.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: RiverBum] 1
#27085127 - 12/12/20 06:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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By giving time you mean not harvesting fruits and waiting for the gills to visibly turn dark?
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Yes, if you want nice dark prints let the mushrooms mature until the gills start to turn black.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: RiverBum] 3
#27085266 - 12/12/20 08:49 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Interesting thread! I posted my best flush of these P. subtropicalis quite a while ago in another thread, and the bin is still going. I lost count but I think it has produced about 10 flushes by now. I took a clone of a nice cluster a while ago, made LC and inoculated popcorn spawn with it. I just spawned this to pasteurized straw, worm compost and gypsum, so I hope to contribute some new pictures soon. I'm growing these at 18°C at the moment in an unmodified bin.
Here's the picture of a couple of months ago:
Also, the Latin name is P. subtropicalis with an 'i' at the end. So the thread title is wrong. Just saying so it doesn't get ingrained!
http://www.indexfungorum.org/names/NamesRecord.asp?RecordID=414042
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#27085284 - 12/12/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Beautiful grow poison! I like how those caps dont aggressively curl upwards like they do for me. Any insight on what might make the caps do that?
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Poison Drink said: Interesting thread! I posted my best flush of these P. subtropicalis quite a while ago in another thread, and the bin is still going. I lost count but I think it has produced about 10 flushes by now. I took a clone of a nice cluster a while ago, made LC and inoculated popcorn spawn with it. I just spawned this to pasteurized straw, worm compost and gypsum, so I hope to contribute some new pictures soon. I'm growing these at 18°C at the moment in an unmodified bin.
Here's the picture of a couple of months ago:
Also, the Latin name is P. subtropicalis with an 'i' at the end. So the thread title is wrong. Just saying so it doesn't get ingrained!
http://www.indexfungorum.org/names/NamesRecord.asp?RecordID=414042
Fixed. Thx
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#27085343 - 12/12/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anybody has suggestions/ideas for an automated FC for this species? They are prone to be neglected at some point. Giving 10 plus flushes. Everybody needs to leave home a few days now and then.
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#27085386 - 12/12/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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RiverBum said: Beautiful grow poison! I like how those caps dont aggressively curl upwards like they do for me. Any insight on what might make the caps do that?
My experience with subtrops has shown that early flushes will have the tightly curled cap where with later flushes the cap curl can relax all the way to the point where it doesn't curl anymore. This is easy to see because the species contam resistant so it's not unusual to get 5-8 flushes from a little mono.
T his is the second flush from a good clone clone culture This is the exact same box as above, recased, but on flush #8. The curl is almost gone. This is how they are usually found in the wild, because fruiting spots last years.
Quick edit: Caerulescens has a similar process where the later flushes lose their cap curl. I don't have enough experience with Zaps to say if this concept holds true for them too.
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#27085416 - 12/12/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Have you seen any noticeable changes in potency between subsequent flushes? I wonder if the substrate already being precolonized affects whether spores will germinate more/less readily
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] 1
#27085466 - 12/12/20 10:42 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is a thread dedicated to an auto fc chamber on another popular mushroom site 😉
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Yeetusdeetus] 1
#27085613 - 12/12/20 12:02 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeetusdeetus said: Have you seen any noticeable changes in potency between subsequent flushes? I wonder if the substrate already being precolonized affects whether spores will germinate more/less readily
I have not tried any sort of potency breakdown in relation to flush number.
If I had to make a wild guess I would say that the later flushes are likely to be more potent because the mushrooms of later flushes tend to grow more slowly. Once again, that's just a shot in the dark.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Dark fatal7] 1
#27088238 - 12/14/20 04:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I didn't got a chance to poure agar and try to save some of the myc from my contaminated containers and today when I looked at them it seems that semperviva is making progress in the mold filled substrate so I decided to let them do they're think. Here's how they look now.
This is my only healthy container
This is one of the mold infested ones.
And this is the other one. I have another container that has 2 green spots but I didn't take any pics cuz it's in posible to see it properly.
If semperviva wins the battle I'm renaming it to Chuck Norris or Bruce Willis.
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Look'n great!
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry] 1
#27090610 - 12/15/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Print secondo picture shrooms noaw?
They flipped their teeth
Are they mature now:
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The ones at the bottom part of the pic look nearly ready to me-- maybe another day...
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They flipped their teeth
Are they mature now:
The darker the gills the more likely they are to make good prints.
As far as optimum harvest times: I don't know. I usually wait until the lower stipe turns a few shades of brown but your guess is as good as mine. Would love to see some bioassay tests of a good isolate harvested at different times.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry] 1
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This is what I'm getting so far. Totally changing my approach next time.
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Hey guys !
I'm late to the party
Here are some quotes I posted on the exotic thread :
I really understand DonShadow on Mycotopia saying : 20g fresh Psilocybe Hoogshagenii/semperviva: This mushroom is quickly becoming my favorite. It seems to have its own unique flavor, much more alive than any other species I've sampled. It was very easy on the body, and the onset was prolonged and gentle. It seems to have a slightly longer duration than others, taking around three hours to fully engage. This session provided a major breakthrough; I had the experience of witnessing what I identified as the spirit of Archangel Michael pouring from my altar in a stream of electric blue and gold feathers. He later inhabited my body, imparting to me his love, protection and courage, which was profoundly healing.
Or Bancopuma on DMT-Nexus : A species employed by several indigenous groups in Mexico. Has a reputation for being a "wise mushroom". I was in contact with someone recently who employs mushrooms in shamanic ceremonies he holds, he has grown 30 different mushroom species and considers these the best of the best. Very potent, very magical and also not hard to grow, they just take a while.
Or CaptainFuture: Semperviva is in my opinion <the> Psilocybe mushroom. So powerful, beautiful and reliable. And not really too difficult and fast growing, too.
This species really could change the world if used wisely.
They are very special because they are easy to grow, have a gorgeous look, fruit very reliable, are strong against any contamination, very fast growing, could be different in their look just out of a multispore culture, stay extreme potent even in the third flush which we used. They must, from my experience with the very potent Semilanceatas, which are easily to dose(1-1,5%), have around 10-15mg/dried gr. alkaloids, mainly Psilocybin (it took a while to come up with the peak, around 1-1,5h). The visions are very sharp and clear, I was very enlightened by a pure feeling of love and energy. While my consciousness was fully intact my perception of the outer world was nearly gone and I could hardly see anything clear around me. And moving around was close to impossible. It really felt a lot like a MAOI enhanced Psilocybin experience, very intense, though 4,5grs. isn't that much. We both laughed a lot and the overall mood was very positively enhanced. The only thing I missed are the more golden and vivid visions which are so typical for Semilanceatas and which I guess come from the Baeocystin.
Compared to the Zapotecorum which I tested last month, Sempervivas seem to be around a 20-25% stronger but take a little while longer to fully set in. There is Psilocin present which lets the first changes come up after 10-15mins. After 40-50min. I thought the fruits might be not that strong since they were from flush 3, but after another half an hour they fully set in and blew me into space.
There were no deep visions from my inside, it was more like a travel to another dimension.
And I just find them beautiful
Here are some pictures of old grows :
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Here's the picture of a couple of months ago:
I haven't had the pleasure of growing this species, but this flush makes me want to. Spectacular! Lots of great grows in this thread.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Aendir] 1
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I'm late to the party
Here are some quotes I posted on the exotic thread :
Thanks. I'll put those on the front page.
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Fingers crossed 🤞
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Keep me posted on those! Can't wait to get a culture going
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Good news, everyone
Darker gill tip was correct, first four prints secured.
Sending out this weekend.
Printed in a cleaned tote, so should be good. Rusty light red colour on spores.
Fuck, now I have to be actually learn how to fold prints, don't want to learn any more new things. 🐴🤞
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Darker gill tip was correct, first four prints secured.
Sending out this weekend.
Printed in a cleaned tote, so should be good. Rusty light red colour on spores.
Fuck, now I have to be actually learn how to fold prints, don't want to learn any more new things. 🐴🤞
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i recieved a print a couple of days ago and wow! the cap's much wider than i expected! niice!! spore germination in progress... )))
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#27101030 - 12/21/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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They really change their appearance alot during their fruiting, and easily takes minimum a week to mature.
And then more time to darken and go all "admiral hat cthulu" on us.
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I just received some P. semperviva (Ps. Hoogshagenii var Convexa) in a trade and I’m really excited to join all you in this thread. Do any of you have the cliff notes version of the best way to get started with these guys? Asura, you mentioned you’ll be taking a different approach next time do you mind if I ask what that will be?
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PitcherCrab said: I just received some P. semperviva (Ps. Hoogshagenii var Convexa) in a trade and I’m really excited to join all you in this thread. Do any of you have the cliff notes version of the best way to get started with these guys? Asura, you mentioned you’ll be taking a different approach next time do you mind if I ask what that will be?
Have patience, these bastards are too god damn slow for my taste Here's my first and probably last shite attempt with cased grain(lighting is all screwed up in photo):
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose] 1
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Slow growing psilocybes always look so charming.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: PitcherCrab] 1
#27131971 - 01/06/21 11:39 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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PitcherCrab said: I just received some P. semperviva (Ps. Hoogshagenii var Convexa) in a trade and I’m really excited to join all you in this thread. Do any of you have the cliff notes version of the best way to get started with these guys? Asura, you mentioned you’ll be taking a different approach next time do you mind if I ask what that will be?
First get them on agar and and when you have clean culture move to grains. After that spawn to bulk. As of substrates... they seem to eat about everything. I have a small Bottle tek going on that I've cased about a week ago. Substrate was 1 part grains 1 part straw 1 part manure. Same recipe I use for cubes. And casing was jiffy / sand 50/50 and calcium carbonate. Same recipe I used for Tampanensis.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] 1
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And you should label it Ps. Subtropicalis (Semperviva)
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] 1
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PitcherCrab said: I just received some P. semperviva (Ps. Hoogshagenii var Convexa) in a trade and I’m really excited to join all you in this thread. Do any of you have the cliff notes version of the best way to get started with these guys? Asura, you mentioned you’ll be taking a different approach next time do you mind if I ask what that will be?
First get them on agar and and when you have clean culture move to grains. After that spawn to bulk. As of substrates... they seem to eat about everything. I have a small Bottle tek going on that I've cased about a week ago. Substrate was 1 part grains 1 part straw 1 part manure. Same recipe I use for cubes. And casing was jiffy / sand 50/50 and calcium carbonate. Same recipe I used for Tampanensis.
Word. Thanks! I'll be putting them on agar soon. I'm happy to know they aren't too picky when it comes to substrate. How are they on coir?
And thanks for letting me know about the naming, seems like their name has changed a couple of times?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: PitcherCrab] 1
#27132810 - 01/07/21 12:12 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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It will work fine. I've seen people adding used coffee and sand to coir with good results. But I can't give advice on it...
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27138908 - 01/10/21 02:19 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Have my second attempt finishing on grains today but waiting another 3 days for my substrate to build up good bacteria first for a few days before spawning.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Puduwoke]
#27140144 - 01/10/21 04:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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My dude. I’m doing the same thing as we speak/\
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Puduwoke]
#27144140 - 01/12/21 04:09 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some awesome cap variation here, a 2nd flush
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Man, if Semperviva is more potent than Zapotecorum, I wonder how potent hoogashenii var hoogashenii is. I have never really seen a grow of them:/ I put semperviva to agar the other day so i am really hoping to get something soon.. The print i used was almost so light I couldn't really see any spores, so it was a little bit of guess work and I am really praying spores made it onto the inoculation loop. I guess we'll see. I hope to be posting on here very soon. I want to combine semperviva with caapi vine, does anyone have a good idea for a dose on that?
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I'm still waiting on mine to germinate... think I may need to make up a few more plates possibly with some softer agar if this one doesn't take.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: PitcherCrab]
#27154997 - 01/18/21 09:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've cased mine about 1 month ago and no signs of pins yet.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27155030 - 01/18/21 09:36 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Slooooooooow aren't they?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: PitcherCrab]
#27155104 - 01/18/21 10:25 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hope it's worth the wait.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27156352 - 01/18/21 09:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think I got germination! Its just a little fuzzy glimmer at the moment but its promising. It was really difficult to get the mycelium to catch the light right, but I got it.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: PitcherCrab]
#27158847 - 01/20/21 07:08 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow I'm excited to try these some day!
What's the most flushes anyone has taken these
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Veggiesandhemp]
#27160429 - 01/20/21 09:51 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alright, so I got super worried this lil spot was Trich, but looks to be mycelium after all! I’m going to let it grow out a little more before I take some transfers. Getting excited to get moving with this species...
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: PitcherCrab]
#27160515 - 01/20/21 11:14 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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So what is the story, are you guys waiting for colonization of sub and then casing, or is a top layer at the time of spawning adequate?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Nichrome]
#27160690 - 01/21/21 04:39 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hell yeah P
I spawned my first Semp 5 days ago
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Nichrome]
#27160842 - 01/21/21 08:04 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nichrome said: So what is the story, are you guys waiting for colonization of sub and then casing, or is a top layer at the time of spawning adequate?
I cased mine after full colonization. And from what I see everybody is doing the same. Nice. Good luck Puduwoke. Mine are in fruiting for a month now and not one pin yet.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27161331 - 01/21/21 12:18 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Nichrome]
#27161439 - 01/21/21 01:10 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wonder if a cold shock would get them moving but I'm hesitant to try it...
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27161518 - 01/21/21 01:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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FWIW my mycobag was stalling for well over a month, and I took mycorry's advice and scraped the casing off completely along with all the little aborts and soaked it underwater for a few hours in cold distilled water.
I re-cased with plain peat moss about 10 days ago and this is the bag yesterday:
I also have a pin explosion on all the sides too-- so I hope you all take that to heart:
If your sub stalls, try a cold soak!!!
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
#27162741 - 01/22/21 01:26 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kind of did that a few hours ago. Put some water in the fridge last night and soaked the container with that cold water and drained it after 30 min. or so. Hope it works.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27162888 - 01/22/21 05:30 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not sure how I missed this one.
I’ll be getting in on this ASAP, it makes me so happy to still be finding badass species I know nothing about on here.
Gotta say based on the good results from a variety of methods and the positive trip reports I’m really surprised these aren’t super popular.
These will probably be the next to blow up like pans are right now.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a]
#27162969 - 01/22/21 07:08 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah you should like this one aka isn't too picky on fae, resistance to contam like mexicana, high potency, sub requirements can be as complicated as you want them to be on this one but I've seen incredible results from CVG alone. Slow fruiter but you can see good results from MS even. I got a good multiculture now it's so much faster. Got two bags in fruiting and several more to spawn tonight.
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quote]A.k.a said:
These will probably be the next to blow up like pans are right now.
I feel the same. Already have 1 failed attempt under my belt. Spawned my second try 10 days ago, looking good!
Please share any links you have that you found interesting, please
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Puduwoke]
#27163222 - 01/22/21 10:22 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have enough from the last grow for one trip. All the trip reports I've read on these sound incredible. Getting ready to try these again using just CVG.
The main advantage to pans is that they are fast. Immediate gratification and quality trip. These guys are like watching paint dry.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Puduwoke]
#27163228 - 01/22/21 10:24 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yep, fuckers are slow to pin it seems. Plus they are some prudes, way way worse spore production than Tampanensis it's not even funny. Here are my trays atm Been neglecting the trays but here's what's goin on today:
Cased grain finally has some gills darkening on two fruits. Not sure if it's them starting to get old or if they are starting to produce spores:
Coffee/coir substrate:
Straight coir 1:1 has grown more pins after only having 2 lonely fruit. Tempted to clone one of the clusters. I think cloning or finding a good culture may be key to this variety:
Fucking finally the straight cased grain shoebox is pinning. It took 65 days to see pins after casing. Just stupid, maybe they were aborting underneath the casing?? Good news is that it is still indeed fruiting despite me completely ignoring it in a sterilite shoebox:
The fruit seem rather tolerant of a range of conditions, both wet(like drenched) and dry. I don't know what's optimal tho.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Asura]
#27163261 - 01/22/21 10:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Asura said: I have enough from the last grow for one trip. All the trip reports I've read on these sound incredible. Getting ready to try these again using just CVG.
The main advantage to pans is that they are fast. Immediate gratification and quality trip. These guys are like watching paint dry.
Can't wait for your trip report. Specially since you have experience with pans and you can compare the two.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27163379 - 01/22/21 11:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just scraped the casing to see what's going on cuz it's been over a month now. And guess what! They haven't even touched it... I'm throwing them in the fridge overnight and see what happens.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27165109 - 01/23/21 09:15 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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This thread is so cool! I hope this gets momentum and someone brings back the idea of cultivating the nippled hoogshagenii. I think no one so far has succesfully cultivated that one.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: tinyshrimp]
#27175177 - 01/28/21 07:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just wanted to ask you guys opinion on these Ps. subtropicalis plates I’ve got going. I’ve never grown this species so I’m not sure what its suppose to look like. How do these look? The T1 plate are transfers from the larger colony on the MS plate.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: PitcherCrab]
#27175197 - 01/28/21 08:02 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Looks aces to me man-- get that shit on grain
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
#27175426 - 01/29/21 12:15 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mine looked exactly like that b4 grain. Colonizing rn
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Tweeq]
#27175431 - 01/29/21 12:17 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Awesome. Thanks guys! I think I’m going to let them grow out a little more and maybe to one more transfer prior to putting them on grain. I’m thinking I’ll probably do grain cased with 50/50 for my first grow of them then get a clone to go forward with from there.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: PitcherCrab]
#27183094 - 02/02/21 03:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Got three jars of ms mycelium of these just about ready to spawn to bulk. Eith cubes I like to do a top layer directly at the moment of making the tub. Any reason why that may or may not be a good idea with these?
I've read some stuff about people casing later and then scraping it off again. Sounded to me like a thin top layer should do it.
Not 100% sure about the sub yet. Probably coir supplemented with compost a little sand and verm and top layer coir verm sand.
Might try a mono and a dubtub if only 10% spawn is needed. Is it really? I may try different volumes with one jar each.
Any tips? I can still change plans now.. lol
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Tweeq]
#27183117 - 02/02/21 03:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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This thread is looking great!
Remember, If you are having trouble with this species your two big options are:
#1. Inoc several plates, then pick the 4 most unique looking types of myc, label them (A,B,C,D etc...) and fruit them individually.
#2. Noc up some plates and let them sit until they pin. Clone the pins and fruit the culture.
My favorite strategy is to do both at the same time. After all the work is done you should end up with a few vigorous clones that are all slightly varied in performance. With these several clone cultures in hand you can begin throwing them at all types of FC to see what your personal favorite style of cultivating them is.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry]
#27183851 - 02/03/21 12:22 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Got some germ action here...
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Bag on 1/20:
Bag on 2/1:
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#27184517 - 02/03/21 12:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good job man!
I have failed twice with Semperviva now. Not giving up tho!
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#27184529 - 02/03/21 01:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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coAsTal said: Bag on 1/20:
Bag on 2/1:
GREAT JOB! In a bag too?!
You are really kicking ass with these. You have made a lot of progress over the last 6 months or so.
I love how this species so politely moves out of the way of other caps once they are fully matured.
What FC type are you using? What's your FAE like?
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Give us the deets Coastal!
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: PitcherCrab]
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Thanks guys-- mycorry this flush I credit to you, because it happened immediately after I stripped off the original casing and water-soaked it for a few hours as you advised me to try. It exploded after that, eclipsing 2 months of stalled growth in less than 2 weeks. There are dozens of side fruits not pictured as well-- as many as are on the casing. I feel very happy about it.
I don't know if it was the re-hydration of the sub soak or the addition of the re-casing, but I'm really thrilled with the results
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
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That sounds similar to pans, after a certain point you can soak them then let it dry some and pins pop up all over.
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Growing these in a shoebox the fruits are surprisingly more aestetically pleasing to me than in the greenhouse. Caps are more bell shaped, whereas in the gh they curled up immediately. Spore production and cap size do not seem to be negatively impacted which also surprised me:
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If conditions are to blame(which I think they are,) Im not sure what factor is causing it: lower FAE, lower moisture content and or lower light?
Unlike with Tamps I dont see any point in using a greenhouse with these when a simple monotub or shoebox is good enough or even better
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coAsTal said: Thanks guys-- mycorry this flush I credit to you, because it happened immediately after I stripped off the original casing and water-soaked it for a few hours as you advised me to try. It exploded after that, eclipsing 2 months of stalled growth in less than 2 weeks. There are dozens of side fruits not pictured as well-- as many as are on the casing. I feel very happy about it.
I don't know if it was the re-hydration of the sub soak or the addition of the re-casing, but I'm really thrilled with the results
It was likely the stripping of pins that was the main catalyst, but the soak really doubles down on the trigger to start a new flush effort. In my experience, the species in section cordisporae make a big effort at finishing a flush before starting another instead of continually flushing like some species do. If a cultivator makes a mistake, such as lets the fruit get too dry, the mushrooms will eek along until all the biological momentum is out of that damaged flush's sails. I've always found it best to just admit I made a mistake, pluck all the pins, patch the casing and retry(sometimes re-soak). I just did this with a caerulescens flush that I accidentally wind burned with a handheld fan.
Did you collect some clones?
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Ambrose said: Growing these in a shoebox the fruits are surprisingly more aestetically pleasing to me than in the greenhouse. Caps are more bell shaped, whereas in the gh they curled up immediately. Spore production and cap size do not seem to be negatively impacted which also surprised me:
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If conditions are to blame(which I think they are,) I'm not sure what factor is causing it: lower FAE, lower moisture content and or lower light?
Unlike with Tamps I dont see any point in using a greenhouse with these when a simple monotub or shoebox is good enough or even better
Great job! Those do look pretty cool with the conical caps. The shoebox grow looks like it could use more FAE but it's hard to say. The lower picture looks like they are getting a lot of FAE or the substrate has a little too much water, neither of which are a big deal. It looks like you should take some clones and try a shot at whatever adjustments you feel would be best.
I agree about the martha comment. This species doesn't seem to like them very much and subtrops are easy to grow in most FC's anyways.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry]
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Yeah the shoebox has been deprived of light as well. I was going to quit growing these but the conical caps have made me reconsider. Going to clone a couple fruits and see what happens
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry]
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mycorry said: It was likely the stripping of pins that was the main catalyst, but the soak really doubles down on the trigger to start a new flush effort. In my experience, the species in section cordisporae make a big effort at finishing a flush before starting another instead of continually flushing like some species do. If a cultivator makes a mistake, such as lets the fruit get too dry, the mushrooms will eek along until all the biological momentum is out of that damaged flush's sails. I've always found it best to just admit I made a mistake, pluck all the pins, patch the casing and retry(sometimes re-soak). I just did this with a caerulescens flush that I accidentally wind burned with a handheld fan.
Excellent info as always brother-- so many (including myself) take so much time waiting for these to fruit since they are always said to be slow. If I hadn't "stripped and dipped" this sub/bag, it would still be sitting stalled-- I was near calling the bag a failure when I tried this. Now I wish I had done this back in early December. I've seen several good growers give up on a stalled sub and trash it-- what would have happened if they'd tried this first?
re: my FC, it's a CaptainFuture design based tall bin with two holes cut out and micropore taped on each end down low, with nothing drilled/cut-- just the airgap up top (closed and latched). Like this one but clear:
I spray the walls daily or so, but don't do anything else air wise. Every other day or so I'll spray the casing and fruits a little too.
Did you collect some clones?
Not yet, but soon. I am waiting a couple more days for max maturity for spore prints, and I'll try and tissue clone some of the big pretty ones to agar during harvest. Then to LC and we'll see how it goes
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
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Getting ready for round 2 with these Get ready for pics in 4 months!
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
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I've seen several good growers give up on a stalled sub and trash it-- what would have happened if they'd tried this first?
This is why it's so important to be running parallel experiments at the same time. I found out about that trick because I had multiple clone tubs stall simultaneously, so I tried different things with each stalled tub. The results of that tearful failure led me to understand more about this species behavior. If failure couldn't be fashioned into a weapon I'd never get anywhere.
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I spray the walls daily or so, but don't do anything else air wise. Every other day or so I'll spray the casing and fruits a little too.
His "greenhouse" type FC is powerful if you live in an area with enough average humidity. I had to switch to another type due to the dryness here. Do you have a fan running in the room or an exhaust fan? How big are the holes? Does the Tubs lid make a decent seal?(not a complete seal like a ziplock, but good enough to prevent FAE)
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry]
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mycorry said: His "greenhouse" type FC is powerful if you live in an area with enough average humidity. I had to switch to another type due to the dryness here. Do you have a fan running in the room or an exhaust fan? How big are the holes? Does the Tubs lid make a decent seal?(not a complete seal like a ziplock, but good enough to prevent FAE)
I'm usually around 30-40% in the house here. No fan involved, just the A/C vent in the room that isn't aimed at the rack this is on. The taped bottom holes are 3" long x 1" tall, and the lid has maybe a 1/8" gap around the ridge where the lip meets. I figured it as a compromise between having humidity retained better (a better seal) and more ambient low level air circulation (loose seal) so I like it for these.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
#27188146 - 02/05/21 02:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here's my FC: (that's the white/blue aquarium light inside the lid on top)
and the bag from the top today:
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
#27188274 - 02/05/21 04:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice work man! Those are looking beautiful. I'm about to put some P. subtropicalis to grain in the next couple days here.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: PitcherCrab]
#27189770 - 02/06/21 01:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Couple of caps from shoebox printing, seem to be dropping spores which is nice to finally see
Strange, seems as if the fruits grown in lower FAE, lower moisture, low light conditions are sporulating better than the ones grown in the greenhouse.
Funny as that is the exact opposite of what I experienced with Tamps... I can't imagine lower FAE and low light would encourage spore production, perhaps being too wet is what caused the shitty spore production? Idk any thoughts?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a]
#27189828 - 02/06/21 02:16 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know what you mean AKA... I still have no pins on my semperviva but they're still alive. I took of the casing and scraped the sub a bit and put just some verm on top and now I see some myc popping up.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
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coAsTal said: Here's my FC: (that's the white/blue aquarium light inside the lid on top)
and the bag from the top today:
Looks very close to how the current iteration of my setup works. Is the lid on right side up or upside down? With my setup the lids don't quite fit flush to the top so the humid air escapes the top then fresh air comes in to replace it. It's the main reason why so many flushes of mine end up too tall and not quite fully matured.
I'm currently experimenting with Pasty ez dial tek with some tubs that seal on the top, but I wont have results for a month or so.
Have you tried Caeru or zaps with that setup? I imagine you would have a decent amount of success.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry]
#27189851 - 02/06/21 02:36 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, I keep the lid closed right side up--
I would definitely be working on Zaps and Caerulescens if I could get my damned prints to germ
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
#27196421 - 02/09/21 09:46 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Holy hell. Has anyone tasted these fresh? How would you describe the taste? I tried a cap that was done printing and it was the most disgustingly bitter mushroom I have ever tasted. I nearly spat it out. I don't recall cube or tamp caps being that bitter.
On a positive note, despite being only .3g fresh it felt really nice. Beautiful body high and emotional booster. Haven't tried a full dose yet but looking forward to it now.
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Double post but I followed the advice about dunking(I forget who recommended it):
Seems to have worked well. I just poured cold water on top and then dumped it off without recasing, this flush is looking much better than the first which only yielded a few lone fruit. So whoever gave that advice, thank you!
Also one thing that sucks about having these in fruiting for so long is the possibility of fungus gnats, first time I’ve seen these fuckers in awhile but they’re all up in the casing, ugh.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
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Also one thing that sucks about having these in fruiting for so long is the possibility of fungus gnats, first time I’ve seen these fuckers in awhile but they’re all up in the casing, ugh.
It's a never ending problem. Make a habit of putting those yellow gnat sticky traps in every tub, I usually stick on on one of the walls. Also, try to pinch-squish(don't press against the casing) the ones you see when spray/fanning daily. Blow on the casing to see where they are, otherwise they can be exceptionally hard to see.
If you find that a substrate has a constant cloud of gnats then it was probably over watered for too long and the gnats are eating the drowning mycelium.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry]
#27199734 - 02/11/21 04:36 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the great info!
Sticky traps inside the tub sounds like a good idea. The part about dead myc makes sense, the tray was neglected in a badly dialed gh getting drenched, so chances are they're chowing down. Luckily not a cloud just yet so hopefully can control the population before that happens
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
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I bet we notice the flies partly because of season and secondly because of the long Time to reach fruits
I had fruit fly infestation in my subtropica grow, and it didn't seem to matter too much. The smell when they went out, however, was big daddy nasty
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
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Nice, both from the same fruit?
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Oh man, I haven't seen a clean cloning in a while!
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
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Nice, both from the same fruit?
Yes, the philosophy is "Two is One, One is None"
Taken from this big girl-- this is unfortunately the best pic I got before cutting. Had the meatiest stipe and tied for nicest cap size and pheno I like
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
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Ambrose said: Double post but I followed the advice about dunking(I forget who recommended it):
Seems to have worked well. I just poured cold water on top and then dumped it off without recasing, this flush is looking much better than the first which only yielded a few lone fruit. So whoever gave that advice, thank you!
Also one thing that sucks about having these in fruiting for so long is the possibility of fungus gnats, first time I’ve seen these fuckers in awhile but they’re all up in the casing, ugh.
For me changing the casing did it. They wouldn't even touch it. I took it off scraped the myc a bit and put some verm on top. Now I have pins. So happy.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
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Do you guys wait with casing untill 100 pct colonized? I have three trays of these colonizing rn @ room temp. Peeked into ibe last night and it looks like it can go for a bit longer before case and fruit. They are now six days from spawn.
I'll update with pics
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Tweeq]
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I think you can give them a few more days. Colonization speed seem to be similar to cubes. But the fruiting... It's been a week since I saw knots forming and they're just small pins now.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
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Think I'll wait untill the surface looks all white and then case & fruit.
Sub is experimental (for me at least): For my three trays I used one 650 gram coco coir brick, about 1 liter of verm, a few handfuls of garden compost, a handful of straw, a handful of sand and some garden lime, pasteurized and divided over three separate 6 liter trays, not completely full. One myco liter of spawn per tray. Probably comes down to 20 pct spawn. Maybe a bit much but we'll see.
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Tweeq said: Do you guys wait with casing untill 100 pct colonized? I have three trays of these colonizing rn @ room temp. Peeked into ibe last night and it looks like it can go for a bit longer before case and fruit. They are now six days from spawn.
I'll update with pics
With subtrops, my main failures have come from casing before colonization has finished. I don't know why but that's the pattern I have seen. However, this phenomena could just be caused by cultural practices so don't think that "Casing early=bad" as set in stone.
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Tweeq said: Do you guys wait with casing untill 100 pct colonized? I have three trays of these colonizing rn @ room temp. Peeked into ibe last night and it looks like it can go for a bit longer before case and fruit. They are now six days from spawn.
I'll update with pics
With subtrops, my main failures have come from casing before colonization has finished. I don't know why but that's the pattern I have seen. However, this phenomena could just be caused by cultural practices so don't think that "Casing early=bad" as set in stone.
Still I will take this as 'why would I not wait a few days longer' You are growing these with success. I'm just trying. Be great if something cloneable comes of it.
I'll stick with my initial plan to wait untill I see nothing but colonized substrate, before I case. Thanks @mycorry for the response.
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Got a bunch of nice different sectors running away from each other. You guys looking for the fluffy stuff or the aggressive running type stuff with these?
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Nichrome said: Got a bunch of nice different sectors running away from each other. You guys looking for the fluffy stuff or the aggressive running type stuff with these?
Good question.
There hasn't really been a consensus on what the most ideal myc looks like, even with regards to myc growth speed. I would suggest taking the two or three most unique looking/performing myc and fruit them separately to find out. Then, come show us what you figured out.
This may be a fairly common species for an exotic, but there is still a lot of demystifying to do.
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Thank you mycorry-- it's my first clone-- hoping for beginners luck
Good luck!
Keep in mind that there isn't yet a consensus on what is the best way to clone subtrops, or how best to select them. That is for all of us to figure out together.
So far I have had decent luck with: Dish pins First fruiting clusters odd looking but vigerous fruit Anything that grew well in my specific environment Something that killed and ate a mold before fruiting(this is always a fun one)
I usually clone from inside the bottom of the stipe, near the casing. This is due to an old quote from RR about the bottom of the stipe being where most of the growth is happening(for cubes). I do this to try to capture the momentum, so to speak. Does it make a difference? I don't know yet. I have tried cap cloning caerulescens and zaps with decent results, but not a subtrop.
Basically what I am trying to say to everyone is: Write down all the details about what you do(with photos if possible) and post your results here to add to the knowledge we are building. We need more info.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry]
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Well I cased all three trays today (top layered is more accurate)
After casing, in fc:
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After casing, in fc:
I just cased 6 tubs the same day as you with several different clone cultures. I'm doing Pasty EZ dial mono style with peat/verm casing. The myc has been colonizing the substrate for three weeks and it looked like it had finished five or so days ago. It's my first time using this tub style and my first time using grain in a while. I'm hoping to keep these alive long enough to potentially side by side.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry]
#27207346 - 02/15/21 12:29 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm seeing a lot of different spawn ratios with this species. From 1:10 (on the other website) all the way up to 1:2. I went with 1:5.
Seems all over the place. Any thoughts on this, anyone?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Tweeq]
#27207623 - 02/15/21 02:43 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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My grow (400ml container) is 1 part grains, 1 part straw, 1 part manure. Inoculated with Ms agar wedge (inoculation plate) . I had 3 but 2 got contam and threw them out eventually. The biggest pin is about 1" and I have a few clusters in there. Can't wait to clone and start something bigger.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27208262 - 02/15/21 08:32 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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anyone have success getting prints ? any tips on getting them to drop?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: cruisinalltheway] 1
#27212666 - 02/18/21 09:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dunked tray that's been kept in a pasty ez dial mono
Edited by Ambrose (02/18/21 09:45 AM)
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
#27212846 - 02/18/21 11:07 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anyone else looking for prints for this or haven't received post new years, do send a pm I still have more to sharw
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Ambrose, about how thick is your sub there?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Asura] 1
#27213338 - 02/18/21 03:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sub is about 1.7" Idk what is optimal, this was spawned in November gave like 3 fruit for the first flush, and finally pinned better after I followed mycorry's advice about dunking it and moved it into a monotub.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
#27213424 - 02/18/21 04:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I need to get in this thread since i got some prints and have no idea what I'm doing besides getting em on agar
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
#27213700 - 02/18/21 07:28 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dunked tray that's been kept in a pasty ez dial mono
Great job, as usual
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry]
#27213768 - 02/18/21 08:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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All thanks to your advice on soaking it!
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
#27214640 - 02/19/21 10:33 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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always good to dunk the trays after each harvest !
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: cruisinalltheway] 1
#27216648 - 02/20/21 12:28 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Check pm, subtropica seekers
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Germ plate showing growth
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Crackatoa]
#27222138 - 02/23/21 01:28 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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2nd flush smaller in size than the first-- but looking OK
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
#27222619 - 02/23/21 06:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry]
#27222626 - 02/23/21 06:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm sure it's been asked, how's the potency with these?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Crackatoa] 1
#27224594 - 02/24/21 06:28 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Crackatoa said: I'm sure it's been asked, how's the potency with these?
I would say they are comparable to Psilocybe Mexicana in terms of potency. 1.2 dry grams was fairly strong for me. Very smooth ride. Here are some Subtrops currently fruiting from BRF cakes
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: RiverBum]
#27224605 - 02/24/21 06:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Those are beautiful. Nicely done!
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: elpico]
#27224612 - 02/24/21 06:40 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I’m officially in the game here, spores germed in four days.
I’ve got a lot of reading to do now. How long til you guys are seeing pins?? I’ve been hearing a huge range for that time frame.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a]
#27224631 - 02/24/21 06:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thank you elpico! And glad to see you on board with these AKA, they are a great species to work with. On average I see pins 2-3 weeks after introducing fruiting conditions
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a]
#27224648 - 02/24/21 07:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Crackatoa said: I'm sure it's been asked, how's the potency with these?
I would say they are comparable to Psilocybe Mexicana in terms of potency. 1.2 dry grams was fairly strong for me. Very smooth ride. Here are some Subtrops currently fruiting from BRF cakes
So gorgeous!
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A.k.a said: I’m officially in the game here, spores germed in four days.
I’ve got a lot of reading to do now. How long til you guys are seeing pins?? I’ve been hearing a huge range for that time frame.
Still learning what they like, quickest for me was 6 weeks after casing
Also don't be discouraged if the first flush looks bad. Just soak and see what happens. Had a tray that gave 2 fruit on first flush:
Almost trash it but after moving from a martha into a monotub it now looks a little better:
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
#27224688 - 02/24/21 07:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Those look great! They do seem to do better with less air movement. I get much larger fruits in monotubs and shoeboxes than I do in my greenhouse
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: RiverBum]
#27225619 - 02/25/21 09:36 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I didn't know these things were so lit. Might have to inoculate some plates this weekend
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Wall.E]
#27225783 - 02/25/21 11:31 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks to Ambrose I'm gonna give these a go in a week or two.
Are fungus gnats common with these since they stick around so long? I don't have a single potted plant in my house should I be concerned?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: seldom seen]
#27225815 - 02/25/21 11:49 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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glad they made it. Hope they germinate alright for you.
I wouldn't worry too much. I have a bunch of potted plants in a nearby room that I think they migrated from. As a preventative measure you could place a sticky trap inside the tub as per mycorry's advice. It was very effective for me as there are no longer any left that I can see.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
#27225847 - 02/25/21 12:08 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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They made it promptly thank you! I was watching for the mailman like a senior citizen.
Copy that I will keep that in mind if I see any of the little fuckers.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: seldom seen] 3
#27263628 - 03/21/21 06:45 PM (3 years, 27 days ago) |
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3rd flush:
I soaked this sub underwater for over 24 hours between harvest of the second flush and starting the 3rd-- I think the dry weight will be equal or even greater than the second--
Going forward I'll be soaking all fully consolidated semp subs before putting into fruiting to ensure they're well hydrated ahead of casing.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
#27263691 - 03/21/21 07:31 PM (3 years, 27 days ago) |
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You’re gonna soak before the first flush?
I’m a few days from spawning my first jar so I gotta read up.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a] 1
#27263783 - 03/21/21 08:48 PM (3 years, 27 days ago) |
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Yes-- this sub behaved like it was on steroids once I dunk-soaked it. Up until then it was stalled at the pin stage and I think most would have trashed it. Mycorry suggested that I soak the substrate, and once I did (I also scraped the old casing off and re-cased thicker) the bag came alive.
It has been effortless ever since. Mist in the FC 1 or 2 times a day. Nothing else. My next work with these will be a clone culture from the second flush that I presently have completed on grain spawn-- when I put it to sub (a tray format this time) I will let it all consolidate 100%, wait an extra week or so to really let it work in, then do a good long soak before casing normally.
Based on the immediate "activation" of the bag when I dunked this, I see no reason not to start out with a well soaked sub next round.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
#27263980 - 03/22/21 01:25 AM (3 years, 27 days ago) |
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I have three trays. Cased February 15th. Haven't seen anything happen un any of them. Gave one of the trays an overnight soak last week. It put on a lot of weight but also no action to be seen.
Maybe I'll try and scrape the casing away from one too (and re-case). You think it's the the disturbance that makes them spring into action?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Tweeq]
#27264109 - 03/22/21 06:43 AM (3 years, 27 days ago) |
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Could be-- i know it saved mine for sure
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
#27264147 - 03/22/21 07:31 AM (3 years, 27 days ago) |
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Weird.
So maybe let it consolidate, then dunk it, then case it a couple days later. Unless it’s actually scraping the surface that’s triggering pins.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
#27264153 - 03/22/21 07:37 AM (3 years, 27 days ago) |
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coAsTal said: Could be-- i know it saved mine for sure
Well the reason I made three trays is to be able to mess with one or more of them so I might give this a shot. Idk how long is long with this species.. When you say scrape do you mean with something like a fork or how did you do it @Coastal? Your results with these are pretty epic.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a]
#27264178 - 03/22/21 07:59 AM (3 years, 27 days ago) |
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Well I am going to case immediately after the soak-- no reason to wait days. I want that water used to initiate strong pinning-- so once it's in the sub I would case and put it in the FC. My goal is to avoid saturating the casing though, as that just got me short wet fruits on my cased grain tray. Those improved a lot when I backed off the water on the casing.
In the end I think it's beneficial for these to make sure the sub is more than the typical 65% "field saturation" that's common. But I don't think I would want to do that during the consolidation/spawning phase, because of the same risks with any mushroom of a wet sub.
RE: the scraping of the casing/surface: Yes, I just used a fork and carefully scraped the entire casing off. I've seen discussed the "derrumbe factor" of many Mexican shamanic mushrooms (Caerulescens, Zapotecorum, etc...) -- where they appear after landslides-- expose the area in which they grow, could be the pinning trigger--- and that scraping a well-consolidated substrate could act as a similar trigger indoors. That stands to reason-- but it is only a hypothesis. It absolutely worked here-- but I also soaked at the same time.
More experimentation and A/B testing would be beneficial. Clearly it's not necessary, as many people get spectacular results just using a basic growing method, but if your sub is stalled out, as mine was, it absolutely activated and saved my grow.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Tweeq]
#27264221 - 03/22/21 08:36 AM (3 years, 27 days ago) |
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Tweeq said: Well the reason I made three trays is to be able to mess with one or more of them so I might give this a shot. Idk how long is long with this species.. When you say scrape do you mean with something like a fork or how did you do it @Coastal? Your results with these are pretty epic.
Semps can take forever to grow-- but I'm convinced that they are not always slow, just that they require certain conditions to kick out fruits. These flushes on this bag are averaging 2-3 weeks from harvest to what you see pictured. I started this bag last September with the original casing
Do you have any mycelium breaking up through the casing(s)? How thick/what is it made of? Temps? Conditions?
I found mycelium at the surface of the casing in less than 2 weeks from putting it in FC,
And primordia was starting about a week later in mid October:
But while it pinned heavy, it stalled completely. Here it was 5 weeks after the above pic on 11/20:
And 5 weeks later, just before new years:
That's when I took Mycorry's advice and scraped the casing then long-soaked the sub to try and solve the problem. I did this on 1/3 Here it was on 1/20:
12 days later 2/1:
I waited for spores, so here's the pre-harvest final pic on 2/7 of the first flush:
2nd flush on 2/22:
Pre-harvest 2nd flush on 3/4:
And that brings us back up to now.
As you can see-- DRAMATIC difference after the scrape and soak.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
#27264228 - 03/22/21 08:45 AM (3 years, 27 days ago) |
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How’s the trip from these?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
#27264253 - 03/22/21 09:11 AM (3 years, 27 days ago) |
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Thanks for such an elaborate answer. I will pasteurize some new casing for these. Last time I used coir/verm/sand.
The sub is a little bit of everything coir compost straw garden lime and also some sand, pasteurized. Rye grain spawn to sub approx 1:4.
This was when they were just cased after 10 days of consolidation. Tray in mono, on perlite at rt approx 21C
This is today:
Not much has happened. Those white dots have been there for quite a while but I can't make out if those were primordia or something. Casing is really thin
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Tweeq said: Well the reason I made three trays is to be able to mess with one or more of them so I might give this a shot. Idk how long is long with this species.. When you say scrape do you mean with something like a fork or how did you do it @Coastal? Your results with these are pretty epic.
Semps can take forever to grow-- but I'm convinced that they are not always slow, just that they require certain conditions to kick out fruits. These flushes on this bag are averaging 2-3 weeks from harvest to what you see pictured. I started this bag last September with the original casing
Do you have any mycelium breaking up through the casing(s)? How thick/what is it made of? Temps? Conditions?
I found mycelium at the surface of the casing in less than 2 weeks from putting it in FC,
And primordia was starting about a week later in mid October:
But while it pinned heavy, it stalled completely. Here it was 5 weeks after the above pic on 11/20:
And 5 weeks later, just before new years:
That's when I took Mycorry's advice and scraped the casing then long-soaked the sub to try and solve the problem. I did this on 1/3 Here it was on 1/20:
12 days later 2/1:
I waited for spores, so here's the pre-harvest final pic on 2/7 of the first flush:
2nd flush on 2/22:
Pre-harvest 2nd flush on 3/4:
And that brings us back up to now.
As you can see-- DRAMATIC difference after the scrape and soak.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a]
#27264307 - 03/22/21 10:06 AM (3 years, 27 days ago) |
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A.k.a said: How’s the trip from these?
I've not yet full-dosed on these-- just a 1g mini-- it was actually very DMT-like, very clear/electric and hypnotic feeling. I've read others that are more sensitive than I am getting obliterated on a single gram dried-- but it was maybe between "level 1 or 2" in my estimation. I'm evidently a hard-head these days, way less able to trip than I once was-- so I'm not the best example.
@Tweeq I have my FC ~23.5C at all times
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
#27264336 - 03/22/21 10:30 AM (3 years, 27 days ago) |
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Right on man they look like they’d have a similar trip to tamps.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a]
#27267313 - 03/24/21 11:21 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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Does this spawn look normal?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a]
#27267327 - 03/24/21 11:34 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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I think that's normal, at least that's how mine often looks. Has it recovered well from shakes?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
#27267332 - 03/24/21 11:36 AM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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Cool.
Yeah it’s bounced back quick, I shook the jar a few days ago.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a]
#27267422 - 03/24/21 12:32 PM (3 years, 25 days ago) |
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This is cool, thank fuck i got here whilst it's only 11 pages.
Would anyone have a print they could spare? I've got some cubes I can trade or I can try take a print from my next pan flush (which is coming up atm)
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#27268211 - 03/25/21 01:09 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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I got you. Shoot me a privnote.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27268739 - 03/25/21 10:54 AM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: The Dalcassian]
#27268873 - 03/25/21 01:05 PM (3 years, 24 days ago) |
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Streaked some plates yesterday. Officially in this game
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Wall.E]
#27277792 - 04/22/21 07:12 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Man, so glad we're back up and running.
I streaked a couple plates right before the shutdown, and unfortunately got nothing on my first go. Used a softer MEA. Going to streak more very soon.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: seldom seen]
#27277981 - 04/22/21 10:11 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Damn, sucks to hear that it didn't germinate seldom. Let me know if it germs the second time, if not, I should have a fresh one soon that I can send you.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
#27277991 - 04/22/21 10:18 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ambrose said: Damn, sucks to hear that it didn't germinate seldom. Let me know if it germs the second time, if not, I should have a fresh one soon that I can send you.
All good man I'm gonna stay on it, I appreciate the opportunity and I'll definitely keep you posted.
Let the record show the print was clean, no nasties and no bacteria, you're the man Ambrose.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: seldom seen]
#27278006 - 04/22/21 10:38 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Still nothing much happening in my trays. One had some kind of contam on the surface so I chucked it. The two others look stalled and I'll have to try the scraping and recasing thing probably. Cased Feb 15th
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Tweeq]
#27278976 - 04/23/21 07:06 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok I’m finally getting somewhere with these.
How does this look to you guys? It’s spawned on 3/28 so almost a month old. The bare spots make me nervous but it’s been like that for weeks.
I’m short on time right now so instead of reading I’m just gonna ask what the best thing to do now is. Case with coir or actual casing or leave it?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a]
#27279080 - 04/23/21 09:16 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Looks okay to me, dark spot is something to keep an eye on but I bet it'll be okay.
I can't remember seeing any straight coir casings so not sure how that would turn out.
Personally I'd soak it then case with .25"-.3" peat, but keep in mind, I've still not had consistent results(usually takes at least 1.5 months after casing for pins for me.)
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose] 1
#27279143 - 04/23/21 10:11 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ambrose said: Looks okay to me, dark spot is something to keep an eye on but I bet it'll be okay.
I can't remember seeing any straight coir casings so not sure how that would turn out.
Personally I'd soak it then case with .25"-.3" peat, but keep in mind, I've still not had consistent results(usually takes at least 1.5 months after casing for pins for me.)
Straight choir(with a little calcium) casing is my best performing casing type with Subtrops and Papuanas, as long as it isn't too wet(I made that mistake recently). In my experience, choir casings lead to larger clusters and more of them. Over the last few months I performed several side by side tests of choir/ peat, verm casings with a few dish pin cultures and they all heavily leaned toward choir. My next test is to test a 50:50 of them both kind of like Captainfuture's casing recipe.
I wish I had taken pics of all my tests I rarely remember to take photos.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
#27279144 - 04/23/21 10:11 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I used a thin layer of verm and it worked just fine.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27279170 - 04/23/21 10:59 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok cool.
Yeah I had just skimmed the first few pages and saw posts about just using another layer of coir.
I’ll prob one side coir and the other jiffy.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry]
#27279281 - 04/23/21 12:55 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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mycorry said: Straight choir(with a little calcium) casing is my best performing casing type with Subtrops and Papuanas, as long as it isn't too wet(I made that mistake recently). In my experience, choir casings lead to larger clusters and more of them. Over the last few months I performed several side by side tests of choir/ peat, verm casings with a few dish pin cultures and they all heavily leaned toward choir. My next test is to test a 50:50 of them both kind of like Captainfuture's casing recipe.
I wish I had taken pics of all my tests I rarely remember to take photos.
Nice! I'll have to give coir casing a try.
What thickness do you typically go with? Does it get fully colonized? If so do you recase or just leave it?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
#27279361 - 04/23/21 01:57 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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mycorry said: Straight choir(with a little calcium) casing is my best performing casing type with Subtrops and Papuanas, as long as it isn't too wet(I made that mistake recently). In my experience, choir casings lead to larger clusters and more of them. Over the last few months I performed several side by side tests of choir/ peat, verm casings with a few dish pin cultures and they all heavily leaned toward choir. My next test is to test a 50:50 of them both kind of like Captainfuture's casing recipe.
I wish I had taken pics of all my tests I rarely remember to take photos.
Nice! I'll have to give coir casing a try.
What thickness do you typically go with? Does it get fully colonized? If so do you recase or just leave it?
I usually go less than half an inch. The culture will half colonize the choir then the pins will start peaking through. The key is that the casing is colonizable, and the culture will only colonize enough to pin in it's current FAE/RH conditions.
HOWEVER, if the choir is too wet this effect is lost. If you do get success with it being too wet the fruit will just be tiny. I haven't nailed down a proper recipe yet for optimal results so everyone is going to have to test out their own water to choir ratios. I do know that my best recipes have been on the dry side of field capacity, post pasteurization.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry]
#27279420 - 04/23/21 02:54 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thank you! Tempted to go scrape the casings off a couple trays and replace with coir
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose] 1
#27279512 - 04/23/21 04:28 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ambrose said: Thank you! Tempted to go scrape the casings off a couple trays and replace with coir
TEST BUDDIES ARE THE BEST BUDDIES!
The only drawbacks with choir casing:
1: It tends to dry out faster, so bit of a learning curve and more maintenance 2: If your FAE is low the substrate can colonize the entire casing which defeats the purpose. You want FAE to be high enough to make the upper levels of casing too hostile for myc to want to colonize, but perfect for pins. It sounds more difficult than it actually is.
*I put a small amount of calcium carbonate in the choir then add water, mix and pasteurize(to be safe).
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry]
#27279548 - 04/23/21 05:01 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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mycorry said: TEST BUDDIES ARE THE BEST BUDDIES!
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2: If your FAE is low the substrate can colonize the entire casing which defeats the purpose. You want FAE to be high enough to make the upper levels of casing too hostile for myc to want to colonize, but perfect for pins. It sounds more difficult than it actually is.
Ooooof, I been mostly doing low FAE grows(low maintenance and I like the appearance of the fruit). In that case maybe I'll try a 50:50 coir/peat.
So many different variables to tweak I love it, if only they fruited a little quicker to see results
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
#27279611 - 04/23/21 06:08 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Has anyone ran them in a Martha or similar setup? The subtropical in subtropicalis might hint at what they like, but idk
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose] 1
#27279786 - 04/23/21 08:46 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Myc_Hunt said: Has anyone ran them in a Martha or similar setup? The subtropical in subtropicalis might hint at what they like, but idk
IME, they burn easily in martha conditions. The only way I ever got them to work in a martha was by putting them in a sealed mini mono that had a few holes covered in micropore tape to slow down the overall volume of air replacement. However, everyones marthas are different, and who knows what abilities/resistance different cultures can have. Give it a shot and let us know how it goes
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Ambrose said: Ooooof, I been mostly doing low FAE grows(low maintenance and I like the appearance of the fruit). In that case maybe I'll try a 50:50 coir/peat.
So many different variables to tweak I love it, if only they fruited a little quicker to see results
I feel you, low FAE seems to be THE way to get subtrops to look beautiful. I started a low FAE tub a month or so ago and the first fruit looked almost identical to wild fruit, nipple and all(not like hoogshagenii, but still).
Well, keep in mind that I am using very ambiguous terminology, my "low FAE" could be the next cultivators "high FAE". Try some stuff out and see what works for you, especially if you are using a tray setup.
I just tested my pasteurized choir's field capacity and I couldn't get a drop out of it no matter what I tried, so its pretty dry. I wouldn't suggest that dry, but something similar.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry]
#27279828 - 04/23/21 09:33 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah I had trouble with them in the martha. Was used to dialing it in for stone producers and they did not seem to like those conditions. Keep in mind though I did not do a good job of adjusting conditions
It’s interesting how the caps change like that, I’m glad I wasn’t entirely imagining things. I would have expected the opposite, Im curious as to why they appear to do that.
Also just recased a couple trays with 50/50 coir/peat. Was sloppy and rough removing the casing, oops. Interested to see how it goes, low FAE so it may not work out but worth a try anyways.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
#27295719 - 05/05/21 03:47 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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What spawning ratio are you guys using for P. subtropicalis? I’ve got a couple quarts of spawn ready to go an I’m thinking of spawning them into standard CV. Is there anything I should know before I go ahead and do it?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: PitcherCrab]
#27295728 - 05/05/21 03:53 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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PitcherCrab said: What spawning ratio are you guys using for P. subtropicalis? I’ve got a couple quarts of spawn ready to go an I’m thinking of spawning them into standard CV. Is there anything I should know before I go ahead and do it?
Because the myc is so slow I recommend anyone new to subtrops use a 2:1 ratio of sub to spawn, but that is usually due to the fact that many people have a little trouble with proper pasteurization. However, I would guess that you don't have problems with pasteurization.
I've gotten away with 5:1, but it took forever.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry] 6
#27295780 - 05/05/21 04:29 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Don't forget cactus soil.. and cookie jars..
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: the_chosen_one]
#27295815 - 05/05/21 04:52 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just pasteurized cactus soil?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Crackatoa]
#27295829 - 05/05/21 05:03 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Probably micro-waved
It's a really old pic, but I'm pretty sure.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: the_chosen_one]
#27295836 - 05/05/21 05:06 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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the_chosen_one said: Don't forget cactus soil.. and cookie jars..
Amazing.. these are a subtropica phenotype?
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Thanks! Semperviva. Back when Workman first fired them back up.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: the_chosen_one] 2
#27296086 - 05/05/21 07:28 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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the_chosen_one said: Don't forget cactus soil.. and cookie jars..
OH JEEZE!
It also helps to be chosen by the mushroom gods themselves! SMH
I finally figured out how you get them to look so freakishly good looking.
On the left are my normal high-fae style on the right is my newer low-fae style of the same clone culture. The pinset is a result of different casings on each jar, choir casing on the left, peat/verm on the right. IMO, cactus soil works so well because, like choir casing, it can be partially colonized.
It seems that I have been giving all of my cultures FAR too much air exchange over the past three years
I should have guessed by how fast all my mushrooms change cap color so quickly from drying out. I can't remember what that affect is called... Hygro something. You can see it in the mushrooms on the left where the points at the top are a brighter yellow than the rest of the cap, but not on the mushrooms on the right.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry]
#27296301 - 05/05/21 10:38 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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mycorry said:
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PitcherCrab said: What spawning ratio are you guys using for P. subtropicalis? I’ve got a couple quarts of spawn ready to go an I’m thinking of spawning them into standard CV. Is there anything I should know before I go ahead and do it?
Because the myc is so slow I recommend anyone new to subtrops use a 2:1 ratio of sub to spawn, but that is usually due to the fact that many people have a little trouble with proper pasteurization. However, I would guess that you don't have problems with pasteurization.
I've gotten away with 5:1, but it took forever.
Thanks for the help! I spawned it at about 2:1 sub to spawn, perhaps a little higher. Do they like a casing layer?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: PitcherCrab]
#27296356 - 05/05/21 11:30 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks for the help! I spawned it at about 2:1 sub to spawn, perhaps a little higher. Do they like a casing layer?
They do! I would recommend a Choir casing layer no deeper than 1/4 inch. I have had a lot of success with the choir casing being on the dry side after pasteurization, as in, there was little to no water drops shed when squeezed from performing a field capacity test.
I am currently testing a 50:50 Choir:peat/verm but I have no results as of yet to show.
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