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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a]
    #27185894 - 02/04/21 09:28 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Growing these in a shoebox the fruits are surprisingly more aestetically pleasing to me than in the greenhouse. Caps are more bell shaped, whereas in the gh they curled up immediately.
Spore production and cap size do not seem to be negatively impacted which also surprised me:


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If conditions are to blame(which I think they are,) Im not sure what factor is causing it: lower FAE, lower moisture content and or lower light?

Unlike with Tamps I dont see any point in using a greenhouse with these when a simple monotub or shoebox is good enough or even better


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal] * 1
    #27186633 - 02/04/21 04:03 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Thanks guys-- mycorry this flush I credit to you, because it happened immediately after I stripped off the original casing and water-soaked it for a few hours as you advised me to try. It exploded after that, eclipsing 2 months of stalled growth in less than 2 weeks. There are dozens of side fruits not pictured as well-- as many as are on the casing. I feel very happy about it.

I don't know if it was the re-hydration of the sub soak or the addition of the re-casing, but I'm really thrilled with the results :pipesmoke:




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It was likely the stripping of pins that was the main catalyst, but the soak really doubles down on the trigger to start a new flush effort. In my experience, the species in section cordisporae make a big effort at finishing a flush before starting another instead of continually flushing like some species do. If a cultivator makes a mistake, such as lets the fruit get too dry, the mushrooms will eek along until all the biological momentum is out of that damaged flush's sails. I've always found it best to just admit I made a mistake, pluck all the pins, patch the casing and retry(sometimes re-soak). I just did this with a caerulescens flush that I accidentally wind burned with a handheld fan.

Did you collect some clones?

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Growing these in a shoebox the fruits are surprisingly more aestetically pleasing to me than in the greenhouse. Caps are more bell shaped, whereas in the gh they curled up immediately.
Spore production and cap size do not seem to be negatively impacted which also surprised me:


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If conditions are to blame(which I think they are,) I'm not sure what factor is causing it: lower FAE, lower moisture content and or lower light?

Unlike with Tamps I dont see any point in using a greenhouse with these when a simple monotub or shoebox is good enough or even better




Great job! Those do look pretty cool with the conical caps. The shoebox grow looks like it could use more FAE but it's hard to say. The lower picture looks like they are getting a lot of FAE or the substrate has a little too much water, neither of which are a big deal. It looks like you should take some clones and try a shot at whatever adjustments you feel would be best.

I agree about the martha comment. This species doesn't seem to like them very much and subtrops are easy to grow in most FC's anyways.


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry]
    #27186706 - 02/04/21 04:38 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah the shoebox has been deprived of light as well. I was going to quit growing these but the conical caps have made me reconsider. Going to clone a couple fruits and see what happens


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry]
    #27186747 - 02/04/21 05:02 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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It was likely the stripping of pins that was the main catalyst, but the soak really doubles down on the trigger to start a new flush effort. In my experience, the species in section cordisporae make a big effort at finishing a flush before starting another instead of continually flushing like some species do. If a cultivator makes a mistake, such as lets the fruit get too dry, the mushrooms will eek along until all the biological momentum is out of that damaged flush's sails. I've always found it best to just admit I made a mistake, pluck all the pins, patch the casing and retry(sometimes re-soak). I just did this with a caerulescens flush that I accidentally wind burned with a handheld fan.





Excellent info as always brother-- so many (including myself) take so much time waiting for these to fruit since they are always said to be slow. If I hadn't "stripped and dipped" this sub/bag, it would still be sitting stalled-- I was near calling the bag a failure when I tried this.
Now I wish I had done this back in early December. I've seen several good growers give up on a stalled sub and trash it-- what would have happened if they'd tried this first?

re: my FC, it's a CaptainFuture design based tall bin with two holes cut out and micropore taped on each end down low, with nothing drilled/cut-- just the airgap up top (closed and latched).
Like this one but clear:

I spray the walls daily or so, but don't do anything else air wise. Every other day or so I'll spray the casing and fruits a little too.



Did you collect some clones?




Not yet, but soon. I am waiting a couple more days for max maturity for spore prints, and I'll try and tissue clone some of the big pretty ones to agar during harvest. Then to LC and we'll see how it goes :smile:


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
    #27186890 - 02/04/21 06:13 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Getting ready for round 2 with these
Get ready for pics in 4 months!


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
    #27186913 - 02/04/21 06:31 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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I've seen several good growers give up on a stalled sub and trash it-- what would have happened if they'd tried this first?





This is why it's so important to be running parallel experiments at the same time. I found out about that trick because I had multiple clone tubs stall simultaneously, so I tried different things with each stalled tub. The results of that tearful failure led me to understand more about this species behavior. If failure couldn't be fashioned into a weapon I'd never get anywhere. 

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re: my FC, it's a CaptainFuture design based tall bin with two holes cut out and micropore taped on each end down low, with nothing drilled/cut-- just the airgap up top (closed and latched).
Like this one but clear:

I spray the walls daily or so, but don't do anything else air wise. Every other day or so I'll spray the casing and fruits a little too.





His "greenhouse" type FC is powerful if you live in an area with enough average humidity. I had to switch to another type due to the dryness here. Do you have a fan running in the room or an exhaust fan? How big are the holes? Does the Tubs lid make a decent seal?(not a complete seal like a ziplock, but good enough to prevent FAE)


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry]
    #27187719 - 02/05/21 09:37 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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His "greenhouse" type FC is powerful if you live in an area with enough average humidity. I had to switch to another type due to the dryness here. Do you have a fan running in the room or an exhaust fan? How big are the holes? Does the Tubs lid make a decent seal?(not a complete seal like a ziplock, but good enough to prevent FAE)




I'm usually around 30-40% in the house here. No fan involved, just the A/C vent in the room that isn't aimed at the rack this is on.
The taped bottom holes are 3" long x 1" tall, and the lid has maybe a 1/8" gap around the ridge where the lip meets. I figured it as a compromise between having humidity retained better (a better seal) and more ambient low level air circulation (loose seal) so I like it for these.


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
    #27188146 - 02/05/21 02:41 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Here's my FC: (that's the white/blue aquarium light inside the lid on top)


and the bag from the top today:


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
    #27188274 - 02/05/21 04:11 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Nice work man! Those are looking beautiful. I'm about to put some P. subtropicalis to grain in the next couple days here.


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #27189770 - 02/06/21 01:34 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)


Couple of caps from shoebox printing, seem to be dropping spores which is nice to finally see

Strange, seems as if the fruits grown in lower FAE, lower moisture, low light conditions are sporulating better than the ones grown in the greenhouse.

Funny as that is the exact opposite of what I experienced with Tamps...
I can't imagine lower FAE and low light would encourage spore production, perhaps being too wet is what caused the shitty spore production?
Idk any thoughts?


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
    #27189808 - 02/06/21 02:01 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

:begger:

There’s way too many species I’m super excited for still.


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a]
    #27189828 - 02/06/21 02:16 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I know what you mean AKA...
I still have no pins on my semperviva but they're still alive. I took of the casing and scraped the sub a bit and put just some verm on top and now I see some myc popping up.


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
    #27189834 - 02/06/21 02:22 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Here's my FC: (that's the white/blue aquarium light inside the lid on top)


and the bag from the top today:





Looks very close to how the current iteration of my setup works. Is the lid on right side up or upside down? With my setup the lids don't quite fit flush to the top so the humid air escapes the top then fresh air comes in to replace it. It's the main reason why so many flushes of mine end up too tall and not quite fully matured.

I'm currently experimenting with Pasty ez dial tek with some tubs that seal on the top, but I wont have results for a month or so. 

Have you tried Caeru or zaps with that setup? I imagine you would have a decent amount of success.


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry]
    #27189851 - 02/06/21 02:36 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, I keep the lid closed right side up--

I would definitely be working on Zaps and Caerulescens if I could get my damned prints to germ :banghead:


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
    #27196421 - 02/09/21 09:46 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Holy hell. Has anyone tasted these fresh? How would you describe the taste?
I tried a cap that was done printing and it was the most disgustingly bitter mushroom I have ever tasted. I nearly spat it out. I don't recall cube or tamp caps being that bitter.

On a positive note, despite being only .3g fresh it felt really nice. Beautiful body high and emotional booster. Haven't tried a full dose yet but looking forward to it now.


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose] * 1
    #27199335 - 02/11/21 12:52 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Double post but I followed the advice about dunking(I forget who recommended it):



Seems to have worked well. I just poured cold water on top and then dumped it off without recasing, this flush is looking much better than the first which only yielded a few lone fruit.
So whoever gave that advice, thank you!

Also one thing that sucks about having these in fruiting for so long is the possibility of fungus gnats, first time I’ve seen these fuckers in awhile but they’re all up in the casing, ugh.


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
    #27199389 - 02/11/21 01:18 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
    #27199561 - 02/11/21 03:11 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Also one thing that sucks about having these in fruiting for so long is the possibility of fungus gnats, first time I’ve seen these fuckers in awhile but they’re all up in the casing, ugh.




It's a never ending problem. Make a habit of putting those yellow gnat sticky traps in every tub, I usually stick on on one of the walls. Also, try to pinch-squish(don't press against the casing) the ones you see when spray/fanning daily. Blow on the casing to see where they are, otherwise they can be exceptionally hard to see.

If you find that a substrate has a constant cloud of gnats then it was probably over watered for too long and the gnats are eating the drowning mycelium.


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry]
    #27199734 - 02/11/21 04:36 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the great info!
:rockon:

Sticky traps inside the tub sounds like a good idea.
The part about dead myc makes sense, the tray was neglected in a badly dialed gh getting drenched, so chances are they're chowing down. Luckily not a cloud just yet so hopefully can control the population before that happens


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
    #27199797 - 02/11/21 05:21 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I bet we notice the flies partly because of season and secondly because of the long Time to reach fruits

I had fruit fly infestation in my subtropica grow, and it didn't seem to matter too much. The smell when they went out, however, was big daddy nasty


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