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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Tweeq] 2
#27914607 - 08/23/22 04:40 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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There’s a guy who used to post a lot called cronicr, he has a thread about this. Perfect looking plates, perfect jars, but every tub would colonize, knot up and then blow up with mold. Super weird.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Melgo] 14
#27914626 - 08/23/22 05:15 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Hey everyone! It has been a while, but I finally got my life in order so I decided to trip. What would I trip on? Semperviva of course.
So I decided to take between 2 and 2.2 dry grams, but turns out I could not find my best stash So I went with a subpar semperviva stash that I totally neglected and they were a bit soft... So I measured around 2.6g grams in the hope of it corresponding to 2.2 bone dry.
I tried to make a hot chocolate but used cacao nibs which apparently do not melt. yet another failure this contributed to having a slight nausea at t=30 mins, something I don't usually experience that much.
Once the nausea was over, the fun began! (T=approx 60 mins) I climbed to the hammock in my tripping room and looked at the projected light from the star/nebula projector. I had little in the way of open eye visuals but when I closed my eyes I saw tapestry-like cartoons with geometric patterns. I was still pretty bored though, as nothing much was happening besides some beautiful faded images crossing my mind. I was listening to Shpongle and decided I was "wasting" the songs by being so sober, so I had the brilliant idea to top it up with some changa. I had a pretty decent body high going on though so I decided to put off all the intense physical activity of getting of the hammock for a bit When I finally gathered up the courage to go get the changa, that's when the trip finally started (T=120mins) I was flooded by all kinds of alien imagery and thoughts, my senses started mixing until they were intertwined beyond reparation. I was listening to music and it took a whole 4D movie experience character, I was in the forest and mystical creatures and animate trees were rushing through the scene around me while I felt all the tactile sensations of this place I am glad I could not get myself to fetch the changa 
I am guessing "tripping" means different things to different people, but when I say tripping I refer to the sensation of feeling like you are actually being "transported" or "projected" through different dimensions with all kinds of ineffable feelings in between. This tripping sensation was intensifying more and more as time passed by. I was constantly laughing like a madman at the sheer craziness of what was happening, combined with the epic physical sensations of the swinging hammock, I think this may have been one of the most euphoric moments of my life
At some point things starting to get REALLY far beyond the inexpressible realm  I wish I could remember 1% of it, but there was so much going on. I vaguely remember at some point that my wife talked something related to teeth, and I felt/saw myself climbing DNA ladders in my teeth, in a vibrantly colored scenario with COMPLETE immersion. This is a little sample that represents maybe 0.001% of all the things that went down on my mind that day 
I cannot talk much about the trips because there is nothing I will say that conveys even in the slightest what was happening nor do I remember much of it. However, I can talk about the more subjective effects of the trip. Time was completely off. I remember constantly asking my wife how long it has been (since the last time I asked ), and of course in my mind the only acceptable scale would be in days/weeks, but I knew I was well-beyond-Jupiter-high so I was at least expecting 3, 4 hours. Nope. Just 20 minutes. What. the. fuck.  Being around my wife and my cats was something truly special. I felt like they were gods and I was overflown with love this is a great species to bond with your loved ones!
Do you know that euphoric/mysterious feeling of embarking on a magical adventure, riding the floating carpet to places never visited before, with exotic creatures and landscapes beyond our imagination? The semps supercharges that feeling and it is one of my favorite aspects. I will never forget that distinct magical vibes.
By any standard, what was going on in my head would be reason to completely freak out and be thrown into a spiral of paranoia and terror (not because it was dark but because it was SO.DAMN.MUCH.). Instead, there was only awe, happiness and curiosity for more! This is not to say that I did not feel overwhelmed at times, but these feelings subsided so quickly when the next mind melting adventure unfolded before me and I immersed back into the experience 
To be honest, I believe I am now in the authority to officially declare Alice's trip an amateur one There. I said it. And a pretty bad one too. Not with the semps. With the semps it seems like you can go as far as you want and you will have a perma-grin installed on your face throughout the experience. I laughed so hard for so long 
Now there is one issue I have with the semps. With the others, you take them and you feel like you are good for a while. With the semps I cannot wait to go back there 
The other issue I have with the semps, is that it has ruined my impression of the others. I have tried cubes (PE variants as well), tamps, nats and pans. I see no reason to ever take the others, other than doing them just for diversity sake.
Sorry for the long post but I had to share this. These are easy to grow, the fruits are dense, and they offer the best psychedelic experience I have ever had by a long fat margin. I have said before and I reiterate: to me, this is THE magic mushroom  
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: odissey] 2
#27914637 - 08/23/22 05:37 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Beauty man, thanks for sharing! I've had a Bisporus trip yesterday and it was beyond beautiful an healing. Can't wait to grow some Subs. So far no luck, but I'm not giving up.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Adas] 1
#27914657 - 08/23/22 05:49 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Aw nice! I have tried several times to grow bisporus but my prints are trich infested. How do they compare to pan cyans?
Do not give up the semps! I would go as far as to say make as much spawn as you can because you will want nothing else Maybe I was just lucky with the starting culture but they have been so easy, even completely bacterial jars made for proper flushes.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Adas]
#27914676 - 08/23/22 06:01 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Adas said: Beauty man, thanks for sharing! I've had a Bisporus trip yesterday and it was beyond beautiful an healing. Can't wait to grow some Subs. So far no luck, but I'm not giving up.
Same here. On my third or fourth try. 2nd time it's made it to tub stage for me.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] 1
#27914738 - 08/23/22 06:49 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Just had to get in on this thread. Sounds like this will have to be my next project. Will go back and read more of the thread before asking all the stupid questions
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Tweeq] 2
#27914740 - 08/23/22 06:50 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Adas said: Beauty man, thanks for sharing! I've had a Bisporus trip yesterday and it was beyond beautiful an healing. Can't wait to grow some Subs. So far no luck, but I'm not giving up.
Same here. On my third or fourth try. 2nd time it's made it to tub stage for me.
I've checked my records... 33 attempts since December 2021 - 4 successes.
I don't even understand why my Wife calls me "obsessed" with stuff I get into  Or do I?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Melgo]
#27914791 - 08/23/22 07:45 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Adas said: Beauty man, thanks for sharing! I've had a Bisporus trip yesterday and it was beyond beautiful an healing. Can't wait to grow some Subs. So far no luck, but I'm not giving up.
Same here. On my third or fourth try. 2nd time it's made it to tub stage for me.
I've checked my records... 33 attempts since December 2021 - 4 successes.
I don't even understand why my Wife calls me "obsessed" with stuff I get into  Or do I?
Wow really? It seems like I was damn lucky with my initial culture then. Thanks Nosf3r4tu!
Btw, I noticed no difference in potency from straw/manure to pure coir so that may be an easier route for those struggling.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] 2
#27914835 - 08/23/22 08:39 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Almost ready to join in with the cool kids..
Here's my Sempeviva T1 plate

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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: odissey]
#27914900 - 08/23/22 09:36 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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odissey said: Aw nice! I have tried several times to grow bisporus but my prints are trich infested. How do they compare to pan cyans?
Do not give up the semps! I would go as far as to say make as much spawn as you can because you will want nothing else Maybe I was just lucky with the starting culture but they have been so easy, even completely bacterial jars made for proper flushes.
Feels cleaner than Pan Cyan, more gentle. I also feel like the visuals are even more beautiful. Gentle body load too.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Adas] 3
#27914929 - 08/23/22 09:59 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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My friends who I have given Bispos to say the same thing. Visuals are the best of any mushroom they have taken and seem to be the focus of the high. Less body load and less negative effects, though the come-up can still have some confusion when taken at higher doses (my friend does 2g to 2.5g which is a LOT). Both of these friends also did some of my Pan Cyan BVI and I was actually there to trip-sit them and it was a lot more difficult of a trip for them both. A LOT of confusion and emotion on the come-up and one of them couldn't really see for 30 minutes or so - all he could see were patterns.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Hindsight] 3
#27915064 - 08/23/22 11:40 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah bispos are in top 3 for me. They give me very nice body buzz. Like a warm fuzzy feeling, almost like an aura around my body. And the visuals are amazing. I hope my spore prints are still good...
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] 1
#27915211 - 08/23/22 01:23 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Took a few transfers, but I got 3 clean subtropicalis cultures on agar, I hope 3 other specimens turn out clean too.. stubborn contam which seems to show itself after some time, despite looking clean . Apart from that I still have another dirty plate from spores going which I will clean up.. eager to get started.. but they move slow on agar.. patience patience...
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Melgo] 2
#27915508 - 08/23/22 05:46 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Melgo said: I've checked my records... 33 attempts since December 2021 - 4 successes.
I don't even understand why my Wife calls me "obsessed" with stuff I get into  Or do I?
You are tenacious, like a pitbull with a locked jaw.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#27915763 - 08/23/22 09:58 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Hey guys, I collected some of the recent responses below (not in chronological order) for that phenomena a few of us have seen and which was mentioned over the last couple pages.
As a recap, the behavior is that seemingly clean agar and clean spawn of subtropicalis/semperviva results in an outcome where the monotub/shoebox molds out after full colonization, before pinning.
This does not seem to be a textbook "clean spawn vs not" scenario, or if it is the root cause is some kind of contam that is very subtle perhaps?
My understanding of this species going into it was that the namesake "Semperviva" is supposed to allude to it being contam-resistant, but perhaps this is only for specific cultures and not a general rule of thumb. From my own personal experience, it's no more contam-resistant than cubensis.
In my case, I can replicate this behavior regardless of whether the tub is cased or not, and the mold that hits it is always the exact same one (it's trich, or a green mold similar to trich). This same mold does not show up in jars or agar, it only shows up in the tub on the top layer, and only after the tub as completely colonized (right around when you'd case it).
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A.k.a said: There’s a guy who used to post a lot called cronicr, he has a thread about this. Perfect looking plates, perfect jars, but every tub would colonize, knot up and then blow up with mold. Super weird.
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smalltalk_canceled said: Getting really annoyed by subs fizzing out lately, right at the fruiting stage post full colonization. Usually some asperilligus type of mold shows up topside.
Wondering if I should start a new culture, look for fast pinners.
Anyone have a record pin time from spawn to share?
To know what to aim for?
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smalltalk_canceled said: Getting really annoyed by subs fizzing out lately, right at the fruiting stage post full colonization. Usually some asperilligus type of mold shows up topside.
Wondering if I should start a new culture, look for fast pinners.
Anyone have a record pin time from spawn to share?
To know what to aim for?
What smalltalk is saying here is actually exactly what has been happening to me over the past couple months with suptropicalis and semperviva: The jars and tubs colonize completely, smell normal, but then get hit by some nasty green mold as soon as the tub is fully colonized, and this happens regardless of whether the tub is cased or not (happens in both cases).
I'm definitely a proponent of the "clean spawn" approach which is why this is confusing to me, all the spawn I'm using appears normal on both agar and grains but dies to green mold almost on cue as soon as the tub is totally colonized.
I'll go back to spore since the problem here must be something I did wrong with isolating on agar. I almost feel like I've isolated a green mold culture or something instead of isolating a subtrop/semperviva culture, but none of the agar dishes green out at all.
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smalltalk_canceled said: Getting really annoyed by subs fizzing out lately, right at the fruiting stage post full colonization. Usually some asperilligus type of mold shows up topside.
Wondering if I should start a new culture, look for fast pinners.
Anyone have a record pin time from spawn to share?
To know what to aim for?
What smalltalk is saying here is actually exactly what has been happening to me over the past couple months with suptropicalis and semperviva: The jars and tubs colonize completely, smell normal, but then get hit by some nasty green mold as soon as the tub is fully colonized, and this happens regardless of whether the tub is cased or not (happens in both cases).
I'm definitely a proponent of the "clean spawn" approach which is why this is confusing to me, all the spawn I'm using appears normal on both agar and grains but dies to green mold almost on cue as soon as the tub is totally colonized.
I'll go back to spore since the problem here must be something I did wrong with isolating on agar. I almost feel like I've isolated a green mold culture or something instead of isolating a subtrop/semperviva culture, but none of the agar dishes green out at all.
Damn, I'm having the exact same issue for the last month. And what's worrying me, is that I'm working with a clone of mine. At first I thought it was the LC which went bad, but the same damn thing since to be happening with agar inoculation (took a biopsy from a fruit, appeared real clean, but just to be sure took a T1, and innoc'd jars with this T1).
It's driving me nuts because like you: NONE of my agar plates show ANY contamination. I'm reviewing all my processes. I'm now thinking maybe I'm prepping my rye too wet...
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Hindsight said: [...] It does make me wonder if this species is a bit less hardy against trich/molds than others.
On another note, my spore prints came out really nice so I can check that one off the list. Now time to grow out the clones.
I'm thinking the same thing... Thank God I was cultivating Natalensis at the same time as Semperviva, because Natals literally eat mold and trich... Otherwise I'd have gone insane with the amount of failures I had (and still do have) with Semperviva.
Now I want to grow gourmet and medicinal, and so I've decided to only grow Semperviva in terms of actives - let's hope I figure out this contamination problem if I want to keep my mental sanity intact 
Edit: I've tested my prints too, and they came out fairly clean. I took T1 and will test them out soonish.
Here is an example of a contaminated jar, still fruiting because I cased it. Anyone knows what kind of contamination this is?

To end on a more positive note: outdoor Semperviva from spent cake. One layer of rabbit poop compost, the cake, one layer of rabbit poop compost, floating row cover. These mushrooms grew way faster outdoor than indoor.

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Hindsight said: My first few attempts at subs did the same thing, only it looked like trich to me. I just kept going back to spore, growing out multiple different cultures from MS, and finally got a good culture, though out of the two tubs I have fruited, one of them has a mild trich infection. I dug out a chunk of the sub with a big spoon to get rid of it during hte first flush. On the second flush, some small spots popped up on the edges where I previously cut it out. It does make me wonder if this species is a bit less hardy against trich/molds than others.
On another note, my spore prints came out really nice so I can check that one off the list. Now time to grow out the clones.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Mycoplex] 1
#27915836 - 08/23/22 11:17 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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It happened to me too. I made a shoebox a few months back and it triched out. Got just one fruit out of it. But with the same culture (same LC bottle) I had great results growing in bags (the sub is pasteurized in the bag then I add the spawn, seal and mix,... Add some needle holes and wait) or inoculating sterilized bottles. So it might be that they are just sensitive to trich...?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Awestruck]
#27915997 - 08/24/22 04:48 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Melgo said: I've checked my records... 33 attempts since December 2021 - 4 successes.
I don't even understand why my Wife calls me "obsessed" with stuff I get into  Or do I?
You are tenacious, like a pitbull with a locked jaw.
I never pictured it like this That's quite an image.
What I'll do now is go back to the very basics:
- Prep jars of rye & jars of wheat (I'm somehow doubting my rye - since it's a new bag).
- Innoc with agar only.
- Spawn and case with simple coir - nothing else.
I'll debug from here. If you guys have any suggestions.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Melgo]
#27916318 - 08/24/22 09:49 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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It can certainly act strange. My attempts at colonization have failed when:
1. The manure in the mix was not leeched enough. Subs can't seem to tolerate this.
2. The spawn had Yeast in it.
3. Combination of 1. and 2.
One of my cultures had yeast show up in the grain jar shortly before full colonization. However I could always see and smell it. Last time my spawn was clean and sub was leeched well, it colonized beautifully. It's been like 2 months and no pins tho.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Adas]
#27916340 - 08/24/22 10:00 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Have you tried letting the casing dry Adas? I had a 2 month old tub of one culture, and a 1 month old tub of another culture (both Subtropicalis). I took both out of the tent and left them open in the room to let the casing dry completely then misted them back to damp, put back in the tent, and they both pinned within 4 or 5 days of that.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Hindsight]
#27916355 - 08/24/22 10:12 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Yes I have just re-misted them couple days ago, after letting them in the open air for several days. If this doesn't work idk what will
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