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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] 5
#27863844 - 07/15/22 03:13 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Hindsight said: I'm at SIX WEEKS now on a semp tray waiting for it to fruit. It colonized fully and looks great. Nice even mycelium coverage. But still just sitting there. I'm tempted to do something to try to shock it into fruiting like submerging it or putting it in the fridge for 8 hours or something.
Cold shock likely won't do it and just slow things down. Dunking might, but it'll be more susceptible to contamination. What works for me with consistency is letting the casing layer dry a bit then spraying until it's fairly wet. Not so much that it soaks the mycelium.. just the casing layer. Let it dry again and repeat. Several times if needed. It's not sure fire but it does seem to help with most exotics. I see it as a duplication of environment thing.
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0t0lerance said: Yeah, I would like to mimic the results CaptainFuture and The_Chosen_One produced with the more broad caps, so I'm looking into what they did too. Thanks for the info!
More FAE. They are similar to Tampanensis. Low FAE enviroments produce long stems and small caps while High FAE enviroment results in shorter stem and bigger caps. A JCM FC should be good for this.
Exactly. Semperviva is an air chaser. Any FC with good FAE will work for larger caps and stouter fruits.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: the_chosen_one] 4
#27863932 - 07/15/22 04:51 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Mine pinned super fast but with pans that didn’t want to pin I also let it get kinda dry and then soaked it down real good, trying to mimic rain. Worked pretty much every time.
I still haven’t eaten these but a couple friends did. Took about 1.5g. Very inconclusive
One said it was amazing with incredible visuals, the other said it was too weak.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a] 1
#27863967 - 07/15/22 05:48 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Mine pinned super fast but with pans that didn’t want to pin I also let it get kinda dry and then soaked it down real good, trying to mimic rain. Worked pretty much every time.
I still haven’t eaten these but a couple friends did. Took about 1.5g. Very inconclusive
One said it was amazing with incredible visuals, the other said it was too weak.
Yeah, I'm not sure what that's all about . I'm suspect substrate is partially responsible. To This day fruits grown on millet still put me on the floor at .5g's. On straw I can easily handle a gram or more. Stressed fruits are the ultimate evil regardless of what they grow on. I'm sure there's lots of factors, but sub is the most notable for me.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: the_chosen_one]
#27864045 - 07/15/22 07:19 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I checked my P. Subtropicalis swab on agar this morning and its bacterial *sob*
Ive heard this species is contam resistant so is it worth letting it go and see what it does? No mycelium that I can immediately see.

Would absolutely LOVE to cultivate this species and havent had a plate contam on me so fast before myc appears before.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Padaone]
#27864134 - 07/15/22 08:55 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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I spawned my Semperviva on stand oats to coir twice. First time I cased it at 100% colonization and second just mixed it with coir with a coir top. Heavy misting at spawn and 12/12 light. Both of them contaminated. Is the grain the issue or do I need to use a different substrate?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27864355 - 07/16/22 03:45 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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nosf3r4tu said: FC just a tub (EZD). ime a tray,a bag or a shoebox inside a bigger tub works best. temp 23C is ideal but around it works as well sub coir,cvg,straw,manure,coffe, just cased grains... all is good. casing asura`s casing recipe is perfect. All you need is pacience 
I've spend quite some €€€ on the JCM for quality airpump, heater and oxigen disks.. tried it in a shed, but temps fluctuated massively (one day too dry.. the other too wet), I can't move it indoors because the airpump is just too noisy, same reason I won't go for a martha, the exhaust fan would make too much noise. So, maybe I just don't have much choice and will go for the EZ dial tub.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: the_chosen_one] 1
#27864463 - 07/16/22 06:54 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, I'm not sure what that's all about . I'm suspect substrate is partially responsible. To This day fruits grown on millet still put me on the floor at .5g's. On straw I can easily handle a gram or more. Stressed fruits are the ultimate evil regardless of what they grow on. I'm sure there's lots of factors, but sub is the most notable for me.
Some PF tek stile cakes with whole millet flour instead of BR and some coffe grounds sounds nice. Ill try that for my next grow.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#27864469 - 07/16/22 06:59 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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One consideration that becomes doubly relevant for slow exotics, is to keep subs simple. A very simple sub with fewer different foods, is less prone to any theoretical contamination than one with manure, straw, grain. If im in error correct me. More vectors more failure. At least one should actively consider it, no matter what one chooses.
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I'm getting owned by arthropods this year  
First a mite infestation forced me to throw away almost all my agar cultures
And yesterday I saw a bunch of adult gnats spawning from my 4-month old semp shoebox.
oh well... at least I still have a seemingly clean semp agar culture that has knotted.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: jomanda1990] 1
#27864485 - 07/16/22 07:25 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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jomanda1990 said: I'm getting owned by arthropods this year  
First a mite infestation forced me to throw away almost all my agar cultures
And yesterday I saw a bunch of adult gnats spawning from my 4-month old semp shoebox.
oh well... at least I still have a seemingly clean semp agar culture that has knotted.
sorry I just had to vent a little
Ah bummer, sorry to hear that. I'm also fiercely protecting my baby cacti from fungus gnats, covering every accesspoint with mp. Sending some good vibes:
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: jomanda1990] 4
#27864515 - 07/16/22 08:03 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, I'm not sure what that's all about . I'm suspect substrate is partially responsible. To This day fruits grown on millet still put me on the floor at .5g's. On straw I can easily handle a gram or more. Stressed fruits are the ultimate evil regardless of what they grow on. I'm sure there's lots of factors, but sub is the most notable for me.
Some PF tek stile cakes with whole millet flour instead of BR and some coffe grounds sounds nice. Ill try that for my next grow.
It's a bit more of a pain to work with. Everything loves it. Contamination included but literally everything will fruit on it. The potency thing might be in my head. However, I'm not the only one to make the observation with psilocybes. I've seen numerous reports since I began stalking it. Several years ago RR posted an article in regards Cordyceps being grown on millet and producing higher levels of alkaloids and other desirable compounds. That's what got me watching millet closely. It stands to reason the same could apply to other species. With the onset of legalization maybe the experiment can be duplicated and documented at some point. Until then it's just a theory.
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smalltalk_canceled said: One consideration that becomes doubly relevant for slow exotics, is to keep subs simple. A very simple sub with fewer different foods, is less prone to any theoretical contamination than one with manure, straw, grain. If im in error correct me. More vectors more failure. At least one should actively consider it, no matter what one chooses.
This applies to everything in this hobby. You're on the right track.  IMO it's always better to start simple and work up to complexity. Chances are the more complex it gets the more one gravitates towards simple. At least it has with me through the years. 
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jomanda1990 said: I'm getting owned by arthropods this year  
First a mite infestation forced me to throw away almost all my agar cultures
And yesterday I saw a bunch of adult gnats spawning from my 4-month old semp shoebox.
oh well... at least I still have a seemingly clean semp agar culture that has knotted.
sorry I just had to vent a little
If you can, get a product called Mosquito Dunks or Mosquito Bits. Use them in your spray and dunk water. It's natural and safe. It'll wipe out gnats entirely within a week. Also works for plants. It's basically a bacteria that the larvae eat and is only toxic to them.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: the_chosen_one] 1
#27864530 - 07/16/22 08:28 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Edit. Ohh, the chosen one beat me too it.
Check this out my friends. The cure for fungus Nats.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: MysticMycologist] 1
#27864543 - 07/16/22 08:53 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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MysticMycologist said: Edit. Ohh, the chosen one beat me too it.
Check this out my friends. The cure for fungus Nats.
A benefit of waking up the roosters. 
Nice write up! Didn't know it was here. Thanks!
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: the_chosen_one] 2
#27864551 - 07/16/22 09:05 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Fly tape works great at knocking down a lot of the adults. Had them bad in my greenhouse even with watering with mosquito dunks. Gave em the old one two.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: Land Trout]
#27864677 - 07/16/22 11:07 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Yep. The eggs gotta be coming from somewhere. Fortunately, around here they are seasonal and only for a few weeks at a time. :swats: Like now.  I can usually get away with just the BTI and not have to trap adults, but if I dealt with them more I would definitely double up.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: the_chosen_one]
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Yeah, I'm not sure what that's all about . I'm suspect substrate is partially responsible. To This day fruits grown on millet still put me on the floor at .5g's. On straw I can easily handle a gram or more. Stressed fruits are the ultimate evil regardless of what they grow on. I'm sure there's lots of factors, but sub is the most notable for me.
Some PF tek stile cakes with whole millet flour instead of BR and some coffe grounds sounds nice. Ill try that for my next grow.
It's a bit more of a pain to work with. Everything loves it. Contamination included but literally everything will fruit on it. The potency thing might be in my head. However, I'm not the only one to make the observation with psilocybes. I've seen numerous reports since I began stalking it. Several years ago RR posted an article in regards Cordyceps being grown on millet and producing higher levels of alkaloids and other desirable compounds. That's what got me watching millet closely. It stands to reason the same could apply to other species. With the onset of legalization maybe the experiment can be duplicated and documented at some point. Until then it's just a theory.
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smalltalk_canceled said: One consideration that becomes doubly relevant for slow exotics, is to keep subs simple. A very simple sub with fewer different foods, is less prone to any theoretical contamination than one with manure, straw, grain. If im in error correct me. More vectors more failure. At least one should actively consider it, no matter what one chooses.
This applies to everything in this hobby. You're on the right track.  IMO it's always better to start simple and work up to complexity. Chances are the more complex it gets the more one gravitates towards simple. At least it has with me through the years. 
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jomanda1990 said: I'm getting owned by arthropods this year  
First a mite infestation forced me to throw away almost all my agar cultures
And yesterday I saw a bunch of adult gnats spawning from my 4-month old semp shoebox.
oh well... at least I still have a seemingly clean semp agar culture that has knotted.
sorry I just had to vent a little
If you can, get a product called Mosquito Dunks or Mosquito Bits. Use them in your spray and dunk water. It's natural and safe. It'll wipe out gnats entirely within a week. Also works for plants. It's basically a bacteria that the larvae eat and is only toxic to them.

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Yeah, I'm not sure what that's all about . I'm suspect substrate is partially responsible. To This day fruits grown on millet still put me on the floor at .5g's. On straw I can easily handle a gram or more. Stressed fruits are the ultimate evil regardless of what they grow on. I'm sure there's lots of factors, but sub is the most notable for me.
Some PF tek stile cakes with whole millet flour instead of BR and some coffe grounds sounds nice. Ill try that for my next grow.
It's a bit more of a pain to work with. Everything loves it. Contamination included but literally everything will fruit on it. The potency thing might be in my head. However, I'm not the only one to make the observation with psilocybes. I've seen numerous reports since I began stalking it. Several years ago RR posted an article in regards Cordyceps being grown on millet and producing higher levels of alkaloids and other desirable compounds. That's what got me watching millet closely. It stands to reason the same could apply to other species. With the onset of legalization maybe the experiment can be duplicated and documented at some point. Until then it's just a theory.
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smalltalk_canceled said: One consideration that becomes doubly relevant for slow exotics, is to keep subs simple. A very simple sub with fewer different foods, is less prone to any theoretical contamination than one with manure, straw, grain. If im in error correct me. More vectors more failure. At least one should actively consider it, no matter what one chooses.
This applies to everything in this hobby. You're on the right track.  IMO it's always better to start simple and work up to complexity. Chances are the more complex it gets the more one gravitates towards simple. At least it has with me through the years. 
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jomanda1990 said: I'm getting owned by arthropods this year  
First a mite infestation forced me to throw away almost all my agar cultures
And yesterday I saw a bunch of adult gnats spawning from my 4-month old semp shoebox.
oh well... at least I still have a seemingly clean semp agar culture that has knotted.
sorry I just had to vent a little
If you can, get a product called Mosquito Dunks or Mosquito Bits. Use them in your spray and dunk water. It's natural and safe. It'll wipe out gnats entirely within a week. Also works for plants. It's basically a bacteria that the larvae eat and is only toxic to them.

my subs were also popular with the flies, taking its almond smell to the rotten, intolerable smell of the fly maggots doing their thing.
One question tho, what cordyceps contains alkaloids?
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They all do. Along with most if not all mushrooms. They're just not the alkaloids we are accustomed to around these parts.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30580621/
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: CocaineBuffet]
#27866778 - 07/17/22 08:23 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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CocaineBuffet said: I spawned my Semperviva on stand oats to coir twice. First time I cased it at 100% colonization and second just mixed it with coir with a coir top. Heavy misting at spawn and 12/12 light. Both of them contaminated. Is the grain the issue or do I need to use a different substrate?
Thanks in advance!
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: CocaineBuffet]
#27866837 - 07/17/22 09:01 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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i think they fruit fine from coir-verm, people have pictures here and some add coffee /gypsum but i have no idea how much benefit comes from that im going to play the detective here
were did the contam started ? are the grains the ones to turn green first? just the casing ? substrate but not the grains ?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: eLShaMukO]
#27866847 - 07/17/22 09:05 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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When I added the casing the trich showed up after. When I spawned without a casing the sub was 100% colonized for like a week. Maybe more? And a non-trich mold showed up. It was more on the gray color side.
Spawn looked fine in both runs.
Edit: Since I inoculated the grains the plate has pinned which I cloned.
Edited by CocaineBuffet (07/17/22 09:05 PM)
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