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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: milkboy] 1
#28500937 - 10/11/23 09:54 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Anyone ever tried a compressed substrate with Ps. subtrop as per stipes write up?
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Baba Yaga] 4
#28500961 - 10/11/23 10:08 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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I compress everything with a coir sub and have had great results with every species so far.
I did go a little light on the top layer with the subs though.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a] 2
#28500999 - 10/11/23 10:37 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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OK thanks, got two jars finishing up not too far apart and can do a side by side compressed and uncompressed.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: JW123] 1
#28501089 - 10/12/23 12:42 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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JW123 said: I took .75g of these last night and all I can say is wow. One of the best trips of my life. No mind fuckery and the visuals were amazing. 10/10 I guess I am just going to keep growing these forever. Thank you 0t0lerance, and the rest of this community. I could not have done it without the collective knowledge of this place.
Awesome, glad you had such an amazing trip  
I keep being flabbergasted by this... I've received a print from 0t0lerance, grew quite a few grams of mushrooms from it and had to take 2.0 grams to have a proper trip. And you've had "One of the best trips of my life." on .75g with the same source... 
Mental! 
How long did they take to pin for you? How old were these fruits when you consumed them? What did they look like? Give us all the details! ALL OF THEM! GIVE US TO THEM! SPEAK NOW!
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: JW123]
#28501164 - 10/12/23 04:22 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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JW123 said: I took .75g of these last night and all I can say is wow. One of the best trips of my life. No mind fuckery and the visuals were amazing. 10/10 I guess I am just going to keep growing these forever. Thank you 0t0lerance, and the rest of this community. I could not have done it without the collective knowledge of this place.
They're that good. Worth every try at them. 100%
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: astra] 1
#28501188 - 10/12/23 05:42 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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I tend to assume all exotics are always hard to grow and reserved for highly experienced cultivators, but reading this thread it sounds like these are fairly easy and generous (main difference with cubes being increased humidity and casing), so maybe these arenβt so daunting for noobs?
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Melgo] 4
#28501221 - 10/12/23 06:36 AM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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I S2B around the first week of June. I went with a 1/3 spawn/sub ratio. With a thin pseudo-casing, all I used was coir. I saw my first pin on July 15th. I picked my first fruits on September 6th. I will do some things differently next time. The flush was sparse. I was still functioning during the trip. I would need to take more for a heroic dose, but the experience was amazing.

 They were a bunch of little weirdos. I haven't been able to get any spores yet. I keep letting them go until they turn a weird color and get kind of soft.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Vast218] 3
#28501604 - 10/12/23 12:44 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Vast218 said: I tend to assume all exotics are always hard to grow and reserved for highly experienced cultivators, but reading this thread it sounds like these are fairly easy and generous (main difference with cubes being increased humidity and casing), so maybe these arenβt so daunting for noobs?
I would say they are the next step up from Cubensis along with stone producers. Pans would probably be the next step if you even choose to go down that road.. they are a little different over all. Wood lovers as well. Next would be species like Caerulescens and work it up to Zapotecorum. Honestly, they are all pretty easy. Just some are harder to get to fruit than others. Patience is the real key.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: JW123] 3
#28501615 - 10/12/23 12:53 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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JW123 said: I S2B around the first week of June. I went with a 1/3 spawn/sub ratio. With a thin pseudo-casing, all I used was coir. I saw my first pin on July 15th. I picked my first fruits on September 6th. I will do some things differently next time. The flush was sparse. I was still functioning during the trip. I would need to take more for a heroic dose, but the experience was amazing.

 They were a bunch of little weirdos. I haven't been able to get any spores yet. I keep letting them go until they turn a weird color and get kind of soft.
I see some people here collecting spores pretty fast with the newer genetics. The old genetics had to be pushed for months before they would drop nicely. Sometimes they would look half dead.

I can't shake the feeling there's something going on here. So many upturned caps now. It would happen with the old ones too, but usually only a fruit or two in a flush. And rarely so pronounced.
 Please tell me I am correct because otherwise I've been witness to actual evolution and that makes me feel older than I am.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: the_chosen_one]
#28501732 - 10/12/23 02:34 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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I think it would be selection more than actual evolution. To observe evolution you would need to observe change of species.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: tryptkaloids] 1
#28501768 - 10/12/23 02:55 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Yeah, probably a better term lol. Either way I'm not so sure we are all dealing with the spores that originally came to me via Workman. I released a lot of those and Oli.. Captain Future did too and he got his from me. Back then they were mostly downturned caps and I still see this consistently from various older prints all the way up the the ones that Saralove sent a few years ago. Then all of the sudden, almost out of nowhere there's all these grows with the severely upturned caps. They just don't look the same to me. Maybe it is all the people getting involved now and somehow that trait has snuck in.. but my gut is telling me somethings up. Some people have sent me prints from these grows, but I have yet to find the time to get around to them. Too much going on right now.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: the_chosen_one] 1
#28501863 - 10/12/23 03:52 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Vast218 said: I tend to assume all exotics are always hard to grow and reserved for highly experienced cultivators, but reading this thread it sounds like these are fairly easy and generous (main difference with cubes being increased humidity and casing), so maybe these arenβt so daunting for noobs?
I would say they are the next step up from Cubensis along with stone producers. Pans would probably be the next step if you even choose to go down that road.. they are a little different over all. Wood lovers as well. Next would be species like Caerulescens and work it up to Zapotecorum. Honestly, they are all pretty easy. Just some are harder to get to fruit than others. Patience is the real key.
Thanks. My only attempt with Pans was trying to clone a wild specimen, and that failed miserably so I wonβt be trying that again anytime soon. Cubes are easy and fun but this thread makes me wanna join the Subtropicalis club, especially the comments about potency and the trip reports
Iβve been stalking the marketplace but no luck so far
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: the_chosen_one] 3
#28501866 - 10/12/23 03:52 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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Well mine came from Workman, so I guess time will tell their phenos
Maybe it's an evironment/fae thing and not genetic at all?
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: tryptkaloids] 3
#28501910 - 10/12/23 04:18 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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I think what probably happened is the ones with curled up caps grew and matured faster, and so people took spores from them instead of the bigger slower phenos and now however many generations later theyβve dominated the genetic pool.
I think this has happened with cubes a lot too, if you look up super old posts a lot of them had tons of pheno variety and seemed to be like 3x larger overall. I remember seeing some old PESA and GT tubs that were like a first flush of 10β tall super thick shrooms with absolutely massive open caps.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: tryptkaloids] 4
#28501966 - 10/12/23 04:50 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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tryptkaloids said: Well mine came from Workman, so I guess time will tell their phenos
Maybe it's an evironment/fae thing and not genetic at all? 
I'm fairly convinced it's not strictly environment/fae. I've grown them just about every way and they hold true. Here's some starved for air and only a few are upturning and even that's somewhat minimal.


I do think Aka is on to something. AND, I also want to blame Workman. I remember he ran what I believe was an isolate and it canopied just like what we see today.. However, I don't seem to remember the caps upturning so drastically. I'm hoping he'll update us on what (if anything) happened back then but I'm not sure Melgo is done with his interrogation yet lol. Next, I'm very curious about this Xico find. Something in my gut bothers me there too.. and my gut is like Anotoli's Nose.
 I've learned to trust it.. even if I do sound a little nuts.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a] 1
#28501981 - 10/12/23 04:54 PM (3 months, 15 days ago) |
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A.k.a said: I think what probably happened is the ones with curled up caps grew and matured faster, and so people took spores from them instead of the bigger slower phenos and now however many generations later theyβve dominated the genetic pool.
I think this has happened with cubes a lot too, if you look up super old posts a lot of them had tons of pheno variety and seemed to be like 3x larger overall. I remember seeing some old PESA and GT tubs that were like a first flush of 10β tall super thick shrooms with absolutely massive open caps.
Good point. I see this when I grow Cubes from time to time. I remember when OI was the size of a dinner plate. Last time I grew those they wouldn't even qualify as drink coasters. Everyone's PFC doesn't look quite right either. I won't even start to rant on PE. Not even close any more.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: the_chosen_one] 2
#28502697 - 10/13/23 12:51 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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JW123 said: I S2B around the first week of June. I went with a 1/3 spawn/sub ratio. With a thin pseudo-casing, all I used was coir. I saw my first pin on July 15th. I picked my first fruits on September 6th. I will do some things differently next time. The flush was sparse. I was still functioning during the trip. I would need to take more for a heroic dose, but the experience was amazing.

 They were a bunch of little weirdos. I haven't been able to get any spores yet. I keep letting them go until they turn a weird color and get kind of soft.
Thanks for the report Man  So they took their while to pin and to harvest then. They look so weird 
And again, glad you had a great experience - and welcome to the club of: "Yeah I'll probably only grow them from now on..." 
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the_chosen_one said: I do think Aka is on to something. AND, I also want to blame Workman. I remember he ran what I believe was an isolate and it canopied just like what we see today.. However, I don't seem to remember the caps upturning so drastically. I'm hoping he'll update us on what (if anything) happened back then but I'm not sure Melgo is done with his interrogation yet lol. Next, I'm very curious about this Xico find. Something in my gut bothers me there too.. and my gut is like Anotoli's Nose.
 I've learned to trust it.. even if I do sound a little nuts.
Haha @the_chosen_one, I'm actually running out of leads (and time tbh) at this point, except for one... You might be the last person able to provide us with a print of the old "slow and potent with no upturned cap" lineage.
Do you still grow it? I think you said you pretty much only trip with Semp. So you take from an old stash? Or you take them fresh? ANSWER THEM QUESTIONS MAN!
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: the_chosen_one] 1
#28502747 - 10/13/23 03:09 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Vast218 said: I tend to assume all exotics are always hard to grow and reserved for highly experienced cultivators, but reading this thread it sounds like these are fairly easy and generous (main difference with cubes being increased humidity and casing), so maybe these arenβt so daunting for noobs?
I would say they are the next step up from Cubensis along with stone producers. Pans would probably be the next step if you even choose to go down that road.. they are a little different over all. Wood lovers as well. Next would be species like Caerulescens and work it up to Zapotecorum. Honestly, they are all pretty easy. Just some are harder to get to fruit than others. Patience is the real key.

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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: astra] 7
#28502793 - 10/13/23 05:19 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Slowly but surely getting there. All plates are coming along nicely. I did a Josex Poke on the plate the first 2 transfers came from and it's almost ready for use even before these 2 plates grew out. The set of 4 are from a second spore plate. Plan to poke 1 of them as well once they grow out a bit. Planning to send first to plates to grain in another day or 2,





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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Melgo]
#28503158 - 10/13/23 11:06 AM (3 months, 14 days ago) |
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Melgo said: and welcome to the club of: "Yeah I'll probably only grow them from now on..." 
Thatβs my goal. Find the perfect culture and just grow one thing. I like the simplicity
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