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RoscoeReturns
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropical/Semperviva Thread [Re: RoscoeReturns] 7
#28458794 - 09/04/23 07:35 PM (4 months, 22 days ago) |
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The more I grow these the less I know. Most of my grows have produced larger fruit with thicker stipes. Now I have a tray in my pan FC, so more fresh air and high humidity, and I’m getting smaller shorter fruit with caps that curl up like most I see here. The complete opposite of what I was expecting.
Here are those small, more traditional fruit from my FC.

Same LC that grew these out of a bag in a mono.

Same substrate. Same casing. The big ones took about a week longer to pin. Temps were about 5 degrees cooler on average, but had large temp swings. The small ones are in an FC with stable temps right at 77F.
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astra
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropical/Semperviva Thread [Re: Melgo]
#28459099 - 09/05/23 03:05 AM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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astra said: I've tried growing these bad boys for ages now, they end up siting on a tray for weeks on end until finally succumbing to mold/trich/etc
This jar's been left untouched since July 18th... at this point i'm debating whether or not i should just dump it into my compost bin


If the orange spots are just grains pressed against the glass jar, I don't see any visible contamination on these photos. The "watery" parts are normal for me with Semp that has colonized grain for a while.
My ready jars look like this (but they are just about 20 days old):

If you don't want to take any risk, just straight case your jars with pasteurized or microwaved cactus soil and fruit them like this (in some kind of JCM chamber). Here is a straight cased jar, the mycelium underneath the casing looks like yours imo:

Next to a Natalensis SB for comparison...(kinda unfair but they've been together giving warmth to each other so i figured why not)



The surface is pretty much fully colonized, at day 10. The sub itself seems to be shrinking and well i'm kinda perplexed. One thing though, I've never opened the lid since I spawned that fateful jar. Frankly, I'm terrified to touch/move around the container itself. Just this once for the picture and moving it carefully. Yikes...
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ReverendMyc

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropical/Semperviva Thread [Re: Melgo] 3
#28459430 - 09/05/23 11:11 AM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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ReverendMyc said: I have tired several substrate combos and have found no improvement in anything over plain old coir or cv for sub. I do use a properly pasteurized peat blend for a thin casing after colonization for the best canopy, though.
Oh wow! That's a really good information, thanks a lot for that! Just to be sure: "no improvement in anything" including potency, right?
Right. Sand, big box store manure mulch, coir, verm in a few combinations. No noticeable change in potency and actually less attractive flushes with more nutritious subs ime. I have a few jars from a good clone that I just started. I will be doing some side by sides with these to confirm or refute my results. Just picked up some hpoo for pans, so I will use some of that pan blend in this test as well.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropical/Semperviva Thread [Re: RoscoeReturns] 6
#28459500 - 09/05/23 12:34 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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RoscoeReturns said: I usually take anywhere between 3g-6g of dried cubes. My 1g trip of semperviva were not at the level of a 3g cube trip, but not far off either.
Thanks for the response, Roscoe. Helps put things into perspective. I am hesitant to share them. The only person I have given them to is on the opposite side of the spectrum as far as sensitivity goes. So I wonder about everyone else in-between. I take 1-3g of dried cubes. Much appreciated man
Interesting observation, Melgo's semps gave me a plate pin that is noticeably paler than what I'm used to seeing. Super excited to grow it out.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropical/Semperviva Thread [Re: MojaveMyc]
#28459712 - 09/05/23 04:13 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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If those pins are from equal environmental parameters (agar media, temperatures, light conditions, etc.) then waht we know about this species at all???
Maybe we've found a definite reason why mycelium from this species almost always grows in a near-perfect circular form. The genetic diversity being so dense with it, we see patchy growth and sectoring very rarely on plates.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropical/Semperviva Thread [Re: MojaveMyc] 1
#28459735 - 09/05/23 04:29 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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RoscoeReturns said: I usually take anywhere between 3g-6g of dried cubes. My 1g trip of semperviva were not at the level of a 3g cube trip, but not far off either.
Thanks for the response, Roscoe. Helps put things into perspective. I am hesitant to share them. The only person I have given them to is on the opposite side of the spectrum as far as sensitivity goes. So I wonder about everyone else in-between. I take 1-3g of dried cubes. Much appreciated man
Interesting observation, Melgo's semps gave me a plate pin that is noticeably paler than what I'm used to seeing. Super excited to grow it out.
Melgo's

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What's the secret of your agar technique? It's amazing, your pins fascinate me!
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropical/Semperviva Thread [Re: ReverendMyc] 5
#28459747 - 09/05/23 04:49 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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ReverendMyc said: I have tired several substrate combos and have found no improvement in anything over plain old coir or cv for sub. I do use a properly pasteurized peat blend for a thin casing after colonization for the best canopy, though.
Oh wow! That's a really good information, thanks a lot for that! Just to be sure: "no improvement in anything" including potency, right?
Right. Sand, big box store manure mulch, coir, verm in a few combinations. No noticeable change in potency and actually less attractive flushes with more nutritious subs ime. I have a few jars from a good clone that I just started. I will be doing some side by sides with these to confirm or refute my results. Just picked up some hpoo for pans, so I will use some of that pan blend in this test as well.
So far the best grow I had was plain DRY verm. I don't know what's the matter, but those were pretty meaty and the most dense growing fruits I had ever had, not considering my first grow where I had a bunch of chonky monsters.
At first they were hesitant, I was amazed when saw first pins and hydrated the box (it's an empty ice-cream box covered with plastic wrap). Then they started rushing, there are no flushes I'd say, because they're always different age and I just keep picking fruits when they mature, I let them sit for three-four weeks. I'd say it's third "flush" now.
  
Above photos are random pics taken after I picked up mature fruits. You can see young ones, they feel great!
The first "flush" had thinner boys:

And here are some outdoor boys:

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Re: Official Ps. Subtropical/Semperviva Thread [Re: Konbri] 1
#28459847 - 09/05/23 06:49 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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And here are some outdoor boys:
 
These look amazing! What a difference outdoors, very healthy looking. Can you expand on your process? Are you just doing it for the 1 summer or do you have the climate to survive winter?
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astra
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropical/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#28460099 - 09/05/23 10:55 PM (4 months, 21 days ago) |
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Day 11 and I guess I shouldn't have moved them at all, suddenly some light blue looking mold brewing from inside, nothing showing on the surface (95% colonized) yet i refuse to remove the lid anyway. Damn, that was fast... i felt i was getting somewhere for the first time with this beautiful species. Game over for me with this grow but not giving up just yet... Its probably the only one i'm yet to fruit successfully. Dang, I even surrounded them with Natalensis grows for good vibes and safety. Its alright, I'll try again soon 


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropical/Semperviva Thread [Re: astra] 2
#28460127 - 09/06/23 12:28 AM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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I don’t see anything concerning in those pictures are you sure it’s mold?
Blue is usually just bruising and semperviva myc does some weird things.
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astra
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropical/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a]
#28460128 - 09/06/23 12:41 AM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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A.k.a said: I don’t see anything concerning in those pictures are you sure it’s mold?
Blue is usually just bruising and semperviva myc does some weird things.
Lack of experience fruiting them is my downfall.. I'm been trying unsuccessfully for nearly 18 months now. It could be my subconscious creating the worst case scenario to protect me from the heavy pain of yet another disappointment...
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropical/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a] 1
#28460144 - 09/06/23 01:35 AM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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A.k.a said: I don’t see anything concerning in those pictures are you sure it’s mold?
Blue is usually just bruising and semperviva myc does some weird things.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropical/Semperviva Thread [Re: Psilosophy328] 3
#28460214 - 09/06/23 04:26 AM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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Psilosophy328 said:
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Konbri said:
And here are some outdoor boys:
 
These look amazing! What a difference outdoors, very healthy looking. Can you expand on your process? Are you just doing it for the 1 summer or do you have the climate to survive winter?
I enjoy the nipple too. The process was just dump some questionable spawn in the ground, I made a small pit prior to that, then I covered it with thin layer of dirt and half decomposed wood chips that were there. About two months later I found over matured fruits, just a couple and small, now I guess is third flush or near that. It's been a cold summer, a very cold one, and autumn is already kicking in, it's going to be 10c in daytime. Usually summer is 20-30, this time it was 10-20. Nats and cubes were much more vigorous, but my guess semps MIGHT be able to survive winter, because semilanceata does survive. We'll see next year, but I don't think it'll work out, it's not subtropical at all with -30c at new year's eve.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropical/Semperviva Thread [Re: Konbri] 5
#28460280 - 09/06/23 06:39 AM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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2 boxes of semperviva (2 clones) 1 box APE (very vigorous in the jar)
check out how fast semperviva is
all spawned 48 hours ago.

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Edited by chris77 (09/06/23 07:04 AM)
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astra
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropical/Semperviva Thread [Re: chris77] 1
#28460517 - 09/06/23 12:16 PM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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chris77 said: 2 boxes of semperviva (2 clones) 1 box APE (very vigorous in the jar)
check out how fast semperviva is
all spawned 48 hours ago.



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Re: Official Ps. Subtropical/Semperviva Thread [Re: astra] 4
#28460692 - 09/06/23 04:12 PM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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These things look bizarre. They never produced spores, they just grew more pins. Thanks again 0t0lerance!


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Re: Official Ps. Subtropical/Semperviva Thread [Re: JW123] 1
#28460699 - 09/06/23 04:18 PM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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Usually my later flushes are mostly weird shit like that, kinda like them better
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropical/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a]
#28460709 - 09/06/23 04:24 PM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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This was my first "flush". They look cool, but I was hoping to have some spores to share. Oh well, I am excited to try them out.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropical/Semperviva Thread [Re: JW123]
#28460788 - 09/06/23 05:42 PM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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Quick question — how much FAE should a colonising shoebox be given? Same as cubensis at this point? I have slightly cracked lids at this stage.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropical/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a] 1
#28460928 - 09/06/23 07:56 PM (4 months, 20 days ago) |
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How unsettling... being able to literally 'predict' this son of a %&$# without even removing the lid. At least I gave it a proper burial in its own flower pot outside, the temps are still very warm so, we'll see..
There are a couple more plates waiting in line for the trial, this isn't over yet. 

Edited by astra (09/06/23 07:59 PM)
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