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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: YoshiTrainer] 1
#28369972 - 06/22/23 10:41 AM (7 months, 3 days ago) |
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0t0lerance said: Yoshi, this begs the question; does the active mycelium also contain the trip 'quality' of this mushroom? If so.. that would be a game changer.. (clean spawn no problem, but I tend to struggle fruiting anything the past 6 months.. )
I haven't tried heavy doses of either. The grain's trip seems similar in how clean and vibrant it is to the mushrooms. IMHO, people should make a jar of myc tek when they make a jar of spawn, it is just too easy. I'll dig out my 2 year old Semp bag for you, storing a couple months is a breeze!
Hahahah, that is good to hear Yoshi, I'll try the grain, you make me curious! I noticed the last of the mohicans decided to pop-up.. not sur if its a sub or zap pin. This tray is almost 4 months old;
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: 0t0lerance] 1
#28370072 - 06/22/23 12:03 PM (7 months, 3 days ago) |
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ReverendMyc said: Then a tea made from the dried grain (not even ground up) yields approximately a 1 gram strong dose equivalent per 10 grams dried grain. (very approximate estimation right now)
1 myco-quart/liter of grain yields approximately 150 grams of dried myceliated grain.
Hey Rev,
Am I reading this right? One myco quart of two-month old colonized semp grain has like 15 grams of fruit worth of actives? So like 15 one-gram trips worth?
I had read it was active but holy cowzilla.
Phlanx
I know, crazy right? But yes, that is what my results have been. So if you are used to getting 1 dry ounce (28 grams) per myco-quart, 15 grams equivalent is certainly not earth shattering results. But given the savings in fruiting requirements and a similar timeline to completion, it is pretty cool. Also stealthier like growing stones in sclerotia producers.
As to the difference or similarity in the effects, I am with Yoshi. I have not tried any strong doses of either yet. I have done two 10 gram grain excursions, one 1 gram fruit trip, and two 0.75 gram gummy from fruit trips on suptrops. All seemed similar in experience. I stay very clear headed but also very pleasantly high.
I have only grown the "fast" culture to test with right now, but I am trying again to revive an old spore print that should be the from the original "potent" line. I put spores into a sterile water media bottle the other day in hopes of them rehydrating enough to germ some day.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: ReverendMyc]
#28370159 - 06/22/23 12:58 PM (7 months, 3 days ago) |
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I lied, this bag was spawned 7/19/21, so almost 2 years. I don't plan to bioassay it in fact, it has been sitting in a box waiting to be spawned outside. I've been trying to start spores from this line but so far, no go. I have other back up prints I'm starting tonight. If those don't work I may have to transfer some myc from the 2year bag.
Definitely slow genetics here!

Rev, there seems like there might be a difference in the mycelium alkaloid strength between the slow and fast cultures too?
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: YoshiTrainer] 1
#28370189 - 06/22/23 01:19 PM (7 months, 3 days ago) |
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YoshiTrainer said: Rev, there seems like there might be a difference in the mycelium alkaloid strength between the slow and fast cultures too?
I have no idea yet. I started the "slow" culture before the fact that the two had separated into different lines had come to light. I was never able to get it to fruit. When I went back to spores a year later I couldn't get them to germinate after trying several methods. I only saw a Stipe post about spores germing in sterile water the other day and immediately thought of trying it on the old print.
When I was struggling with the original source, Melgo shared some spores with me that took off well and those are the only line I have been working with successfully since.
So that is something that I am hoping to find out some day.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#28370223 - 06/22/23 01:43 PM (7 months, 3 days ago) |
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I have this Petri dish laying around since a few months now, but it has something that doesn't seems right. At 02:00 o'clock, near the center, there's a yellowish spot; could that be contamination? How does this dish looks to you guys?
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Nerex]
#28370224 - 06/22/23 01:44 PM (7 months, 3 days ago) |
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Looks great, semp myc turns funky colours.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: YoshiTrainer]
#28370239 - 06/22/23 01:54 PM (7 months, 3 days ago) |
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YoshiTrainer said: I lied, this bag was spawned 7/19/21, so almost 2 years. I don't plan to bioassay it in fact, it has been sitting in a box waiting to be spawned outside. I've been trying to start spores from this line but so far, no go. I have other back up prints I'm starting tonight. If those don't work I may have to transfer some myc from the 2year bag.
Definitely slow genetics here!

Rev, there seems like there might be a difference in the mycelium alkaloid strength between the slow and fast cultures too?
Did you close up the filter on the bag to keep them from fruiting?
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a]
#28370355 - 06/22/23 03:50 PM (7 months, 3 days ago) |
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A.k.a said: Did you close up the filter on the bag to keep them from fruiting?
Sort of, it is a 2 micron filter bag and the top was folded over. It often had another bag sitting on top. It is very desiccated at this point but not dry. It would be interesting to have the starting weight. I started writing them down more recently.
On a slightly related note, if I use 3 lbs of dry grains to start with, why do I only get 2.5lb +/_ back when dried? I would've guessed dry grain plus mycelium might have come out to same or more weight.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: YoshiTrainer]
#28370363 - 06/22/23 04:00 PM (7 months, 3 days ago) |
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YoshiTrainer said: On a slightly related note, if I use 3 lbs of dry grains to start with, why do I only get 2.5lb +/_ back when dried? I would've guessed dry grain plus mycelium might have come out to same or more weight.
Because your ādryā grain isnāt dry. For example, wheat sold to make flour is actually about 13.5% water. We hydrate that further, but if youāre dehydrating mycelated grain you remove all that moisture. 86.5% of 3lb is about 2.6lb. Your grains my have slightly different base moisture content.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: RoscoeReturns]
#28370375 - 06/22/23 04:13 PM (7 months, 3 days ago) |
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Good point Roscoe!
In this case, it was WBR and pearled barley. Next time, I'll put my grains in the dehydrator first, then weigh and proceed. Weigh it before and after the dehydrator for curiosity sake too.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: YoshiTrainer] 1
#28370526 - 06/22/23 06:32 PM (7 months, 3 days ago) |
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And not to forget, that our little friends are breathing/ literally burning the food and turn it into carbondioxide. I would say that it should make up a great deal of the weight loss.
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hello friends,
i have set up a poll in cultivation, regarding the utility of restricted FAE during colonization. maybe you would care to participate?
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28370805
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: chris77]
#28371108 - 06/23/23 08:56 AM (7 months, 2 days ago) |
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Good point Mandrake!
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: 0t0lerance] 3
#28371232 - 06/23/23 11:22 AM (7 months, 2 days ago) |
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0t0lerance said: ... 1 year?! doesn't the grain dry out severely? Let me know if it's still viable after such a long consolidation phase, very curious. Would make me more comfortable keeping it around for a few months.
(btw look at this.. 24h post-shaking.. fast recovery due to the warm temperatures currently in the Netherlands)

Yes, it's totally fine, I use poly stuffed in a small hole as a filter.

The photo was taken some half year ago, but it's no different now, I can take a picture of older jars that I've been keeping for myc tek, but Yoshi already bet this time by two times as much, hahahh, nice!
Ah, yes, the grain is millet, mostly, but I have rye as well. Rye seem to shrink more and be less hydrated after all this time, but nothing criminal. I stick to millet anyways, because sometimes my rye gets bacterial as I overboil it too often.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Konbri]
#28371584 - 06/23/23 05:16 PM (7 months, 2 days ago) |
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Hey everybody,
I just spawned my first tub of semp and I have to say that the smell kind of blew me back a little bit. I am not sure how normal that is for these. The jar looked healthy, completely colonized millet that finished around 2 weeks ago and has just been sitting. I saw earlier in the thread some folks said it smelled kind of sweet, mine smelled more like fried mushrooms or something. The mushroom was there, but it almost smelled like oil. Making me a little nervous.
What are your experiences with the smell of the myc for these?
Thanks, Phlanx
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: phlanx] 3
#28372003 - 06/23/23 10:38 PM (7 months, 1 day ago) |
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phlanx said: Hey everybody,
I just spawned my first tub of semp and I have to say that the smell kind of blew me back a little bit. I am not sure how normal that is for these. The jar looked healthy, completely colonized millet that finished around 2 weeks ago and has just been sitting. I saw earlier in the thread some folks said it smelled kind of sweet, mine smelled more like fried mushrooms or something. The mushroom was there, but it almost smelled like oil. Making me a little nervous.
What are your experiences with the smell of the myc for these?
Thanks, Phlanx
Very subtle sweet smell. For the fast and slow lineage.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Melgo]
#28373945 - 06/25/23 10:31 AM (7 months, 9 hours ago) |
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Hi Melgo - I was just reading your thread about Mexicana. A. Very cool info on there about species effect comparisons etc. I just wanted to follow up, now that you have tried Semps and here we are, Iām assuming they beat them all? If so, why?
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Telomere] 5
#28374754 - 06/26/23 02:44 AM (6 months, 30 days ago) |
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Telomere said: Hi Melgo - I was just reading your thread about Mexicana. A. Very cool info on there about species effect comparisons etc. I just wanted to follow up, now that you have tried Semps and here we are, Iām assuming they beat them all? If so, why?
Hey Telomere! Ah, true! I should probably update this thread 
Yes, Semp beats them all because:
- There is the presence component with Semperviva. There is a "communication" with the Spirit Semperviva. Whereas with others, I'm just shown stuff.
- Also Semperviva is almost directly plugged into my nervous system and makes me feel all kind of different body/mind connection experiences.
I haven't done "Mex. A" in a while, but I really want to get back to it. Because it's my 2nd favorite. I'd say "Mex. A" is more visual and colorful than Semp tho'.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Melgo]
#28374792 - 06/26/23 04:08 AM (6 months, 30 days ago) |
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Hello Melgo i plane to try the culture of semperviva in the future and i have a question Do you think semperviva can be bred and survive in a greenhouse in our climate?
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Melgo]
#28374848 - 06/26/23 05:39 AM (6 months, 30 days ago) |
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Hey Telomere! Ah, true! I should probably update this thread 
Yes, Semp beats them all because:
- There is the presence component with Semperviva. There is a "communication" with the Spirit Semperviva. Whereas with others, I'm just shown stuff.
- Also Semperviva is almost directly plugged into my nervous system and makes me feel all kind of different body/mind connection experiences.
I haven't done "Mex. A" in a while, but I really want to get back to it. Because it's my 2nd favorite. I'd say "Mex. A" is more visual and colorful than Semp tho'.
That is a very interesting answer Melgo. Thank you.
I have so far had just a small dose of semps, only 1 gram wet, which was enough for me to get some effect. It was an incredibly beautiful feeling and in my head, I was tripping in vivid detail. Music became patterns in my mind. The duration was very short.
I will have a larger dose in about 2 weeks. I also have Tampanensis and Pan Cyan on agar so of course I am very curious to see the differences once they are grown. And now my interest is piqued about Mex A. Did you ever try the fruits of Mex A or just the sclerotia?
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