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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Melgo] 2
#28339612 - 05/29/23 03:07 PM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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Sorry I forgot to state that correctly those amounts are mg/g. I really couldn’t believe how much of a difference those couple weeks made. Really want to get a sample of the slow genetics in once I can find them.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Bigworm]
#28340205 - 05/30/23 02:28 AM (7 months, 26 days ago) |
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Bigworm said: The mean green is taking up residence in my subtropicalis shoebox. Should I harvest these now or wait as long as I can. This was spawned on 2-6 and this is my 3rd flush. How much less potent are they in this early stage of growth?

When I got trich on third flush of semp pins I just broke the cake apart and put the clean parts back (I took some extra sub away to be sure), fruits matured just fine for three weeks. Did it several times, but on smaller volumes it was always a gamble, as I tried to save more sub, and it often contamed again in a few days.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Konbri]
#28340326 - 05/30/23 06:44 AM (7 months, 26 days ago) |
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Bigworm said: The mean green is taking up residence in my subtropicalis shoebox. Should I harvest these now or wait as long as I can. This was spawned on 2-6 and this is my 3rd flush. How much less potent are they in this early stage of growth?

When I got trich on third flush of semp pins I just broke the cake apart and put the clean parts back (I took some extra sub away to be sure), fruits matured just fine for three weeks. Did it several times, but on smaller volumes it was always a gamble, as I tried to save more sub, and it often contamed again in a few days.
Thanks for the reply! I got rid of this yesterday because the trich was pretty bad and was starting to come to the surface and turning green. I didn't want to have it sporolate all over my grow area. I will try that next time though. I got some grain I'm spawning tonight.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: kirkeng] 3
#28341189 - 05/30/23 10:05 PM (7 months, 26 days ago) |
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kirkeng said: Yeah, I won’t share the actual document as personal information is in there. But 2 week harvest netted about 17mg psilocybin and 1mg psilicin, 4 week was 23.5mg psilocybin and 1.5mg psilicin.
That's at or above P. azurenscens level and this is the fast moving lineage! Does this track with peoples' experience? I've only tripped on cubes as a point of reference in comparison but double the potency from cubes seems to track... and perhaps I needed to leave mine sit for another few days before harvesting. That's a significant leap in potency over that two weeks.
(reference: https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info4.shtml)
Thanks again for sharing.
Edited by shruglife (05/30/23 10:14 PM)
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: shruglife] 1
#28341315 - 05/31/23 02:50 AM (7 months, 25 days ago) |
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kirkeng said: Yeah, I won’t share the actual document as personal information is in there. But 2 week harvest netted about 17mg psilocybin and 1mg psilicin, 4 week was 23.5mg psilocybin and 1.5mg psilicin.
That's at or above P. azurenscens level and this is the fast moving lineage! Does this track with peoples' experience? I've only tripped on cubes as a point of reference in comparison but double the potency from cubes seems to track... and perhaps I needed to leave mine sit for another few days before harvesting. That's a significant leap in potency over that two weeks.
(reference: https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info4.shtml)
Thanks again for sharing.
That kind of potency seems very high, but at the same time possible too. I don't have much experience with cubes. For my last trip with P. Cyanescens at 3 grams dried, I had close to no visuals. Whereas with 2.7 dried grams of Semp, I have very good visuals.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Melgo] 3
#28341326 - 05/31/23 03:11 AM (7 months, 25 days ago) |
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all i can say, day after harvest i ate the very few and minuscule remains of semps around the dryer. the amount of flesh in my mouth was... tiny .. i didn't expect anything at all, maybe a ever so noticeable shift of body sensation.. surprise surprise, kind of stoned, then high, all afternoon. intense colors and bliss...
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: chris77] 3
#28341522 - 05/31/23 07:07 AM (7 months, 25 days ago) |
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I went & took a look at the fall '22 report from Oakland Hyphae. Kirk's numbers put the speedy semps on par with Pan Bisporus & easily double the strength of the high potency/mutant cubes. That's pretty nifty.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: MojaveMyc] 4
#28341544 - 05/31/23 07:41 AM (7 months, 25 days ago) |
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That tracks for me, these semps have been comparable to pans in potency if ever so slightly weaker. I am rather sensitive to effects and definitely start to get visuals around the .2-.3 mark personally, nothing super vibrant or distinct but definitely there for me.
I should also add all samples were a broad array from MS genetics no clone or otherwise isolated genetics. Which I’m glad I did as I think gives a better baseline of general expectation as an average. The lab also homogenizes a “large” sample. As it’s been shown in other tests with other mushrooms high variance of potency between individuals. So I feel confident there is a good base for generalized average potency. Curious to see how much more honed genetics could affect these numbers.
Further, in speaking with some folks on the flourescence aspect, they’re thinking it could be a mycelia metabolite called lumichrome, though grain of salt as these are just ideas right now.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: MojaveMyc] 2
#28341753 - 05/31/23 10:31 AM (7 months, 25 days ago) |
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I went & took a look at the fall '22 report from Oakland Hyphae. Kirk's numbers put the speedy semps on par with Pan Bisporus & easily double the strength of the high potency/mutant cubes. That's pretty nifty.
Good idea! I just downloaded the full report and one of the entries was semperviva!

Full report found here.
The error range is well within your results, kirkeng. Guess they should have harvested just a little bit later
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: shruglife]
#28342209 - 05/31/23 05:02 PM (7 months, 25 days ago) |
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shruglife said:
The error range is well within your results, kirkeng. Guess they should have harvested just a little bit later 
To be clear, the error range is the standard deviation for the analytical method, as opposed to multiple samples
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Psilosophy328] 11
#28342673 - 06/01/23 03:18 AM (7 months, 24 days ago) |
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chris77 said: happy first harvest 
2 boxes of slow sempervivas I love everything about them

Niiice. Would you please write a summary growlog on these? MS or isolated or clone? Fruiting temps, sub mix, spawn run times, Trays sub depth, casing mix...
As requested some answers, although i dont have all the photo documentation to write a proper growlog.
This was multispore, the swab came from Mycelium Juice iirc  I think the two jars came from a T3 plate showing rather uniform growth, fast on agar.
temps were between 19 and 24 Celsius Substrate 80/20 coir/vermiculite slightly under field capacity mix spawn/sub approx 1/2,5 in 6L shoeboxes.
50/50 casing of pasteurized coir/vermiculite was applied at 100% colonization and before knots appeared. casing was soon overgrown by mycelium completely before first pins formed.
Fae was restricted until pins arrived, then the box was just unlatched but the lid not flipped. Surface moisture was kept by irregular ultra fine misting. the boxes were opened at least once a day for inspection. i did wear a mask when looking/breathing at them.
once fruits came close to touching the lid they were dubtubbed. fruits were misted almost daily, heavy fine misting without creating pools on the surface. i used bottled drinking water (ph 7.2)
timetable: spawned on the 5th of april cased (can't remember date) first pins around 1st of may harvest 25th of may
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: chris77] 2
#28342884 - 06/01/23 09:21 AM (7 months, 24 days ago) |
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Fae was restricted until pins arrived, then the box was just unlatched but the lid not flipped. Surface moisture was kept by irregular ultra fine misting. the boxes were opened at least once a day for inspection. i did wear a mask when looking/breathing at them.
once fruits came close to touching the lid they were dubtubbed.
This is all awesome info chriss77. I especially appreciate the above insight, I'm going to try this next because consistent pinning is where I'm having the most trouble. Beautiful grow!
Also, for the slow lineage this is pretty speedy it seems!
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: chris77] 1
#28342961 - 06/01/23 10:51 AM (7 months, 24 days ago) |
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@chris77 thanks, sums it up well.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: psilocybist] 6
#28343974 - 06/02/23 02:44 AM (7 months, 23 days ago) |
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I thought I would eat a fresh subtropicalis mushroom as a microdose, as it was just 1 tiny mushroom.. didn't weigh it..
But it packs a punch ... tripping mildly while trying to work.. doesn't combine well, but headphone on.. listening to some Karunesh, o man, I feel this sensation of going on a trip.. feels like I'm on a river, the gates are opening.. the water is flowing in and inviting me in, to go on a deep journey into the unknown. But I can't... got to work... but it's calling me.
music is so enchanting it paralysis and makes you feel like surrendering to it's beauty..
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: 0t0lerance] 3
#28343993 - 06/02/23 03:37 AM (7 months, 23 days ago) |
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0t0lerance said: I thought I would eat a fresh subtropicalis mushroom as a microdose, as it was just 1 tiny mushroom.. didn't weigh it..
But it packs a punch ... tripping mildly while trying to work.. doesn't combine well, but headphone on.. listening to some Karunesh, o man, I feel this sensation of going on a trip.. feels like I'm on a river, the gates are opening.. the water is flowing in and inviting me in, to go on a deep journey into the unknown. But I can't... got to work... but it's calling me.
music is so enchanting it paralysis and makes you feel like surrendering to it's beauty..
i feel you
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: chris77]
#28344121 - 06/02/23 08:12 AM (7 months, 23 days ago) |
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Karunesh looks right up my ally, thanks for that.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: thirdeyewild] 1
#28344308 - 06/02/23 10:41 AM (7 months, 23 days ago) |
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thirdeyewild said: Karunesh looks right up my ally, thanks for that.
If it is, please have a look at this condensed playlist, maybe there is more in it that appeals to your : https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0vOl0cb8AeZ9MWaj5XaHh7?si=zdwpzuf5RWSPfS5B3bV_hg
Enjoy
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: 0t0lerance] 8
#28344779 - 06/02/23 06:13 PM (7 months, 23 days ago) |
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This is about 6 days from pins, and the only one of my 3 takeout containers showing any significant pinning. I'm so pumped for these lil guys though, it's my first time working with them and it seems like a decent pinset considering!
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Fungus Gnat] 3
#28344810 - 06/02/23 06:46 PM (7 months, 23 days ago) |
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This is 48 hours after my 100% colonization shake. What do you fine people think?
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: ReverendMyc] 8
#28344843 - 06/02/23 07:15 PM (7 months, 23 days ago) |
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  Still slower than last time at about 20 days from pins to harvest from a 2nd flush clone of the fast lineage.
Kind of wondering if continuing to take clones from the second flush will slow them down more and if that would effect potency. Pure conjecture.
I tried a 1 gram tea the other day. Didn't quite finish the tea and I was definitely feeling it. It was mostly a pleasant body high but always felt totally in control head space. Hoping a higher dose will be more like the experiences others rave about.
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