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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: 0t0lerance] 3
#28333821 - 05/25/23 08:51 AM (8 months, 13 hours ago) |
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I am totally with you on this. It’s hard to talk about this subject because so many are militantly averse to anything that smells like religion. And the attitude that science and tangible facts are the so much the only valid viewpoint allowed, that nobody can even mention the magic of life without relating it to scientific mechanics. “Whatever dude, joy is just serotonin and dopamine, chill the fuck out”. Not to discount neuroscience but it covers the how, not the deep down why.
During the last 20 years I have had my share of DMT experiences. Since my first round of breakthroughs I have known (kennen) that my consciousness/awareness/Self contains more than what my waking perception allows me to experience. There is a primal thing inside us that goes beyond ones living experience. But it is hard to know what to do with that knowledge and continued DMT trips may give more insight but for me, it never condensed into anything satisfying.
I had Lyme disease for many years and when I got over it, to try to shake the brain fog i started to meditate for the first time in my life. This is recommended to people with Lyme. This quickly lead to philosophical breakthroughs that lead me to reading a lot of eastern philosophy. All of a sudden, the things I had kennen on psychedelics had context. The Brahman of the Indus spent many generations mapping out the human psyche, and using allegories and archetypes to transfer their knowledge to the lower castes. This is the birth of modern religion; generations of philosophy that uses what is innate inside us to make some sense of the magic that is life. Of course, for a long time religion has been used to gain power over others but it just started by a group of people delving into the question of -Who am I?
There is a chapter of the Bhagavad Gita, essentially Krishna’s guide to life, where he reveals his true form and it is absolutely, completely describing a DMT trip or psychedelic breakthrough. It’s incredibly beautiful and horrifying to the witness, Arjuna.
Thank you for this video 0t0lerance - it eloquently speaks the message I have tried and usually failed to deliver to some of my friends on why I am so interested with the philosophy of the unknowable. I’m going to send it to a few of them now and probably annoy the shit out of them lol.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Telomere] 20
#28334326 - 05/25/23 03:02 PM (8 months, 7 hours ago) |
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happy first harvest 
2 boxes of slow sempervivas I love everything about them
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: chris77]
#28334336 - 05/25/23 03:15 PM (8 months, 7 hours ago) |
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Great video, 0T0! I'm happy that each species is special somehow, so that everyone can find what they vibe with the most.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: chris77]
#28334358 - 05/25/23 03:28 PM (8 months, 7 hours ago) |
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chris77 said: happy first harvest 
2 boxes of slow sempervivas I love everything about them
Awesome harvest!
Am I right to say you didn’t case these at all?
Edited by Telomere (05/25/23 06:28 PM)
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Telomere] 1
#28334365 - 05/25/23 03:32 PM (8 months, 7 hours ago) |
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i did case at 100% with coir/verm
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: chris77] 1
#28334372 - 05/25/23 03:39 PM (8 months, 7 hours ago) |
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chris77 said: … 2 boxes of slow sempervivas I love everything about them …
Great grow. Congratulations.
Looking forward to reading your bio assay results. Do you have experience with the faster line(s) to compare against?
And, did you take prints?
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: chris77] 1
#28334374 - 05/25/23 03:40 PM (8 months, 7 hours ago) |
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chris77 said: happy first harvest 
2 boxes of slow sempervivas I love everything about them

-------------------- LAGM 2.024Stoned Gummys tek (Gummies from sclerotia or mushrooms) *Not just for stones any moreHow to succeed in mycology (and life) - know nothing, read everything, try something, and accept advice. Don't Panic   
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: ReverendMyc] 3
#28334426 - 05/25/23 04:21 PM (8 months, 6 hours ago) |
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Nice work! Those look a lot more like what I am used to which is the 'slower genetics'.
So I lost one of the Saralove sourced jars after spawning to straw. It made it almost to full colonization before the trich got it. The other I decided to top case and fruit with the other two Sporeworks jars. Primordia are forming on all three and they are looking about the same at the moment. We're 10 days post casing with those.
McGilchrist is awesome! He's like the David Attenborough of common sense. 
and on a side note..
I heard Workman is back in the saddle at Sporeworks. Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll pay us a visit so we can get this slow vs fast things squared away.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: the_chosen_one] 1
#28334539 - 05/25/23 05:55 PM (8 months, 4 hours ago) |
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That would be awesome for more information from Workman!
I remember one comment that suggested maybe the fast and slow are different species that look similar like alutacea, fimetaria and semilanceata.
Maybe Jordan could help settle this?
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: YoshiTrainer] 1
#28334649 - 05/25/23 07:15 PM (8 months, 3 hours ago) |
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The mean green is taking up residence in my subtropicalis shoebox. Should I harvest these now or wait as long as I can. This was spawned on 2-6 and this is my 3rd flush. How much less potent are they in this early stage of growth?
Edited by Bigworm (05/25/23 07:15 PM)
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: chris77] 1
#28334660 - 05/25/23 07:22 PM (8 months, 3 hours ago) |
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chris77 said: happy first harvest 
2 boxes of slow sempervivas I love everything about them

Beautiful!
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: chris77] 1
#28334843 - 05/25/23 11:48 PM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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chris77 said: happy first harvest 
2 boxes of slow sempervivas I love everything about them

Niiice. Would you please write a summary growlog on these? MS or isolated or clone? Fruiting temps, sub mix, spawn run times, Trays sub depth, casing mix...
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: psilocybist] 1
#28334863 - 05/26/23 12:38 AM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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thank you for the compliments everybody will write a summary as requested. gimme a few days.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: chris77] 3
#28334909 - 05/26/23 01:46 AM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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chris77 said: thank you for the compliments everybody will write a summary as requested. gimme a few days.

Looking great! Congratulations from me too, for some reason my clone (which gave beautifull large fruits), is now giving me tiny mushrooms

And another bag is giving me absolutely nothing.. 
Ah well, got more subtrops in the pipeline...
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: 0t0lerance] 8
#28335287 - 05/26/23 09:52 AM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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I'm curious if the effects of the strong lineage vs the fast lineage are different besides potency. I feel like the reports from the strong/slow lineage seem a little more.... profound and mystical but it's so anecdotal it's hard to draw a conclusion.
Side note, here's some shroom pr0n...
Second flush coming in strong, maybe even as strong as the first! These semps continue to impress...

My best pin-set yet, and they're really leaning in towards the light...
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: shruglife]
#28335348 - 05/26/23 10:33 AM (7 months, 30 days ago) |
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shruglife said: I'm curious if the effects of the strong lineage vs the fast lineage are different besides potency. I feel like the reports from the strong/slow lineage seem a little more.... profound and mystical but it's so anecdotal it's hard to draw a conclusion.
Side note, here's some shroom pr0n...
Second flush coming in strong, maybe even as strong as the first! These semps continue to impress...

My best pin-set yet, and they're really leaning in towards the light...

Beautiful! thick stems.
-------------------- the observer is the observed j. krishnamurti
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: chris77] 1
#28336408 - 05/27/23 01:53 AM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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chris77 said: happy first harvest 
2 boxes of slow sempervivas I love everything about them

You nailed it Chris!!!
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Melgo] 3
#28336596 - 05/27/23 07:27 AM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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 Day 39 on this one. Not the prettiest more pins slowly coming in. It likely could've benefited from a casing layer. 1:4
  Day 13, spotted first pins on day 10. 1:2
The fast ones give me full flushes. Does anyone else notice that slower cultures tend to fruit sporadically, a few at a time? Otherwise I'm thinking that I'm failing to maintain surface conditions during the extended wait. Thanks for the future feedback homies
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: MojaveMyc] 6
#28336627 - 05/27/23 08:08 AM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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Recently sent some semperviva to a lab to test for beta carboline presence. Selected fruits that had strong flourescence. Results came in came in negative, no presence, or perhaps too low to identify. These samples may be sent to another lab for confirmation but that is out of my hands. I only received word from the technician so no “proof” so to speak so either take my word or don’t. When I have time I may send in mycelium samples as well considering the paper that detected beta carbolines detected trace amounts in mycelium not fruits. Also when I have time sending in other samples that flouresce namely BVI and weza pan cyans.
Regardless I think it was an interesting result and should definitely be repeated so as to figure out what is causing the flourescence, Whatever it may be. Though I’m wondering if it could be some form of environmental response adaptation taken from the origin locality. Considering I have multiple panaeolus cyanescens from differing localities of which only some flouresce, so it being some intrinsic genetic thing I would expect every locality to flouresce given all the same species. But hey I am but a mere grower and nothing more so I can’t really speak to anything outside of that. But there is some mystery there perhaps someone more knowledgeable than I can shed some light.
Edit: I forgot to add significant increase in overall potency was also detected in comparisons between harvests two weeks from pins/primordia to 4 weeks from pins/primordia. Bear in mind those harvest periods are estimates as I wasn’t necessarily counting days so expect a plus or minus a few days on both those values. On the scale of 7-8mg/g increase in the longer maturation period. That clears up any debate on whether waiting is better as well, though we all already expected that one. Also for clarification this is not a comparison between slow vs fast genetics. These tests were done with the fast genetics and is only a representation of ideal harvest times for specific genetics. Also if anyone wants to donate me some slow genetics I’ll eventually get around to sending those out for testing as well! Can’t say when but eventually.
Edited by kirkeng (05/27/23 12:01 PM)
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: kirkeng]
#28336886 - 05/27/23 12:06 PM (7 months, 29 days ago) |
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If you've enough fruits to extract, you could easily extract them using vinegar, and the fluorescence glow increases considerably, as the pH of the solution decreases (=more acidic)
I tried it with harmaline extracted from the Turkish-based plant material (the source with the highest alkaloid content), and clearly saw the effects of pH on the glow. Also the smell is quite unique, if you can do it with harmaline, you'll know if it's the same smell for the semperviva extract. (Have tons of harmala seeds here, but no semperviva samples  )
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