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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: rockyfungus]
#28304856 - 05/03/23 12:01 PM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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Have you tried poking holes in the ground to get air to your mycelium? Sometimes my outdoor grows don't produce when the ground they are in is too compressed and unmixed.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: RoscoeReturns] 1
#28304904 - 05/03/23 12:47 PM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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RoscoeReturns said: I was thinking of trying some of these today. All this talk of potency makes me wonder if I need to be conservative with my dosing.
Echoing what Melgo said but I'll add a few tidbits.
I have another lineage of unknown origin (it seems be be similar potency), and it worked well for me to stair step it. Over several trips I just climbed the ladder by .5g starting at 1.0.
My very anecdotal, personal observation is that there's a very steep cliff . . . for me it was somewhere between 2.5 and 3g dried. The high seems to ramp up linearly as the dosage increases... until all of the sudden it just skyrockets into oblivion. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Curious if others have experienced the same.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: shruglife] 9
#28305104 - 05/03/23 03:18 PM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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Al dente

Both took around 9 days to pin. I was away for 10 days. No problemo.
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#28305110 - 05/03/23 03:29 PM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: thirdeyewild] 4
#28305425 - 05/03/23 06:48 PM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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Pretty, aren’t they? Edit: I ate 10 grams fresh 5 hours ago and took the dogs to the woods. It was great. My pupils are still fully dilated.
Edited by The Tao (05/03/23 07:56 PM)
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: odissey] 1
#28305636 - 05/03/23 09:28 PM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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odissey said: Al dente

Both took around 9 days to pin. I was away for 10 days. No problemo.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: The Tao] 2
#28305672 - 05/03/23 10:07 PM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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The Tao said: Pretty, aren’t they? Edit: I ate 10 grams fresh 5 hours ago and took the dogs to the woods. It was great. My pupils are still fully dilated.
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The Tao said: Pretty, aren’t they? Edit: I ate 10 grams fresh 5 hours ago and took the dogs to the woods. It was great. My pupils are still fully dilated.
I did the same amount for a mtb ride through the forest last week. It was like cycling through an oil painting.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: thirdeyewild]
#28305952 - 05/04/23 06:31 AM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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shruglife said: Echoing what Melgo said but I'll add a few tidbits.
I have another lineage of unknown origin (it seems be be similar potency), and it worked well for me to stair step it. Over several trips I just climbed the ladder by .5g starting at 1.0.
My very anecdotal, personal observation is that there's a very steep cliff . . . for me it was somewhere between 2.5 and 3g dried. The high seems to ramp up linearly as the dosage increases... until all of the sudden it just skyrockets into oblivion. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Curious if others have experienced the same.
I'm expecting the same. The difference between 2.2 grams (no visuals) and 2.7 grams is just crazy.
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odissey said: Al dente

Both took around 9 days to pin. I was away for 10 days. No problemo.
Pasty EZD = Spaghettis - and not just for me 
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Lovely 
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The Tao said: Pretty, aren’t they? Edit: I ate 10 grams fresh 5 hours ago and took the dogs to the woods. It was great. My pupils are still fully dilated.
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thirdeyewild said:
I did the same amount for a mtb ride through the forest last week. It was like cycling through an oil painting.
= I really need to do the same. Take such dose and go on a walk. So 10 grams fresh it'll be
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Melgo]
#28306126 - 05/04/23 09:29 AM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Melgo said: Pasty EZD = Spaghettis - and not just for me 
Do folks think this is mostly an P/FAE issue?
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shruglife
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ElvishKlingonSith said:
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Melgo said: Pasty EZD = Spaghettis - and not just for me 
Do folks think this is mostly an P/FAE issue?
I'm going to very speculatively say yes. My semp stipes are pretty thick and I have a fair amount of FAE in my automated fruiting chamber. Maybe to a smaller extent a product of temperature -- I have mine growing at 65F but I'm less confident about that statement.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: shruglife]
#28306732 - 05/04/23 05:21 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Once all of the caps turn darker with spores on the underside.... how long do ya'll wait to harvest?
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: shruglife] 1
#28306770 - 05/04/23 06:09 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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Just spawned 3 of my 1kg grain bags and 8 mini-bags into 22 buckets and 6 trays of different sizes and depths. am tired and excited at the same time. It's 3 AM, gonna sleep for 10 hrs at least 
Btw, as I just read today, someone somewhere said the CO² accumulation being beneficial to myc growth rate during spawn run is old wrong data, that's not true. It is a fact, and I clearly saw the difference between the bags with no hole for GE, and the ones with a few syringe holes as GE ports. The mycelium in bags which almost suffocated, were quite strong, stiff, dense and growing much faster than other bags with wider GE holes.
 Spawn:Sub ratio was 1:2
Substrate was made as such:
Substrate mix (weight ratio): cocopeat : 6 cow manure : 3 Peat moss : 3 Rice hulls: 3 Fine Straw : 2 Fine Perlite : 1 Charcoal powder : 0.5 CaCO³ : 0.2 Gypsum : 0.2 Urea : 0.15 Sodium-Alginate : 0.1
All mixed with excess water, heated to 80°C for 30 minutes, drained, squeezed to just over field capacity, then left in darkness for a month (rehydrated every week), then pasteurized (kept 2 hrs @55°C, followed by a 4 hr of 65°C, then cooled to 25°C). Then left for 3 days at 25~30°C. Then used as substrate tonight.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: psilocybist] 1
#28306861 - 05/04/23 07:38 PM (8 months, 21 days ago) |
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psilocybist said: Btw, as I just read today, someone somewhere said the CO² accumulation being beneficial to myc growth rate during spawn run is old wrong data, that's not true. It is a fact, and I clearly saw the difference between the bags with no hole for GE, and the ones with a few syringe holes as GE ports. The mycelium in bags which almost suffocated, were quite strong, stiff, dense and growing much faster than other bags with wider GE holes.
Funny you mention this, as I tested this with the last batch I ran. During the consolidation phase, I let half of my containers breathe and the other half fully covered. The fully covered ones came out with thicker, whiter mycelium. I'm not ready to say with certainty it's true, but I think you're on to something. We'll see if the pinning and growth is affected soon enough!
FWIW, my experience is that it does not make difference with cubes.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: shruglife]
#28307176 - 05/05/23 02:56 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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ElvishKlingonSith said:
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Melgo said: Pasty EZD = Spaghettis - and not just for me 
Do folks think this is mostly an P/FAE issue?
I'd say so. But Spaghettis = nice yield too! 
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shruglife said: Once all of the caps turn darker with spores on the underside.... how long do ya'll wait to harvest?
Once they're good for printing, I usually harvest. Once they have very dark gills, few days after that (a week max?) they start to die off. They turn blue and die.
How old are they since pinning? The longer I kept them was 41 days, at 17°C.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Melgo]
#28307210 - 05/05/23 04:08 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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May i ask, it seems that low temperatures are preferable for fruiting these? what would be the ideal range? if i understand it correctly, they like to be in rather dry substrate (below FC) but generously misted once they grow. is that about right? i am working with shoeboxes. thanks
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: chris77]
#28307241 - 05/05/23 05:18 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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*Ive got this one guys*
Chris - Melgo put together a page, but I'm hearing about 20-22C is good, and that's how my friend prepped her sub based on what I read/we discussed - hard squeeze to get slightly below FC:
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RoscoeReturns said: I’m liking these bags.

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Psilosophy328 said: Would someone be willing to quickly summarize the best approach?
Sounds like a substrate on the dryer side/squeezed to field capacity, and lower FAE like in a monotub is best.
Given the low FAE requirement, is it still the standard fan/mist/high FAE to initiate pinning? Or is it more just put it in the FC and in 2-6 weeks you see pins eventually?
Moopers and Melgo have great info.
Melgo’s semp tek
Moopers’ semp info
I’ve been trying a few different approaches. My favorite is inoculating bags with a bit of grain spawn and sealing them up until 100% colonization. I open the bag, case with 50:50 mix, and put it in a tub. Wait. I don’t fan or mist until pins. After growth I mist twice a day to keep the caps from curling up. Seems to help getting prints from them, although they are not the easiest to print.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Psilosophy328]
#28307245 - 05/05/23 05:29 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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Psilosophy328 said: *Ive got this one guys*
Chris - Melgo put together a page, but I'm hearing about 20-22C is good, and that's how my friend prepped her sub based on what I read/we discussed - hard squeeze to get slightly below FC:
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RoscoeReturns said: I’m liking these bags.

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Psilosophy328 said: Would someone be willing to quickly summarize the best approach?
Sounds like a substrate on the dryer side/squeezed to field capacity, and lower FAE like in a monotub is best.
Given the low FAE requirement, is it still the standard fan/mist/high FAE to initiate pinning? Or is it more just put it in the FC and in 2-6 weeks you see pins eventually?
Moopers and Melgo have great info.
Melgo’s semp tek
Moopers’ semp info
I’ve been trying a few different approaches. My favorite is inoculating bags with a bit of grain spawn and sealing them up until 100% colonization. I open the bag, case with 50:50 mix, and put it in a tub. Wait. I don’t fan or mist until pins. After growth I mist twice a day to keep the caps from curling up. Seems to help getting prints from them, although they are not the easiest to print.
hi, thanks. i have read the pages! great info. i just had the impression that low temperatures (below 20) seem popular. i don't know, maybe i have read it wrong. anyways, I can't go below 23, 24 Celsius. so, even if it slows then down, i hope it will work out fine
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: chris77]
#28307263 - 05/05/23 06:00 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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Same issue here, coolest I can get them to get is around 25°C  And this is outside bags/jars, inside surely is warmer.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: psilocybist] 2
#28307286 - 05/05/23 06:29 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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They won't mind the higher temp. They'll grow faster. Last summer during heat waves it was between 26 and 28°C in my automated FC and they did just fine.
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] 5
#28307506 - 05/05/23 09:25 AM (8 months, 20 days ago) |
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