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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: The Dalcassian] * 1
    #27268211 - 03/25/21 01:09 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
    #27268739 - 03/25/21 10:54 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: The Dalcassian]
    #27268873 - 03/25/21 01:05 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Streaked some plates yesterday. Officially in this game


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Wall.E]
    #27277792 - 04/22/21 07:12 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Man, so glad we're back up and running. 

I streaked a couple plates right before the shutdown, and unfortunately got nothing on my first go.  Used a softer MEA.  Going to streak more very soon.


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: seldom seen]
    #27277981 - 04/22/21 10:11 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Damn, sucks to hear that it didn't germinate seldom.
Let me know if it germs the second time, if not, I should have a fresh one soon that I can send you.


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
    #27277991 - 04/22/21 10:18 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Damn, sucks to hear that it didn't germinate seldom.
Let me know if it germs the second time, if not, I should have a fresh one soon that I can send you.




All good man I'm gonna stay on it, I appreciate the opportunity and I'll definitely keep you posted.

Let the record show the print was clean, no nasties and no bacteria, you're the man Ambrose.


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: seldom seen]
    #27278006 - 04/22/21 10:38 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Still nothing much happening in my trays. One had some kind of contam on the surface so I chucked it. The two others look stalled and I'll have to try the scraping and recasing thing probably. Cased Feb 15th


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Tweeq]
    #27278976 - 04/23/21 07:06 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Ok I’m finally getting somewhere with these.


How does this look to you guys? It’s spawned on 3/28 so almost a month old. The bare spots make me nervous but it’s been like that for weeks.



I’m short on time right now so instead of reading I’m just gonna ask what the best thing to do now is. Case with coir or actual casing or leave it?


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a]
    #27279080 - 04/23/21 09:16 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Looks okay to me, dark spot is something to keep an eye on but I bet it'll be okay.

I can't remember seeing any straight coir casings so not sure how that would turn out.

Personally I'd soak it then case with .25"-.3" peat, but keep in mind, I've still not had consistent results(usually takes at least 1.5 months after casing for pins for me.)


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose] * 1
    #27279143 - 04/23/21 10:11 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Looks okay to me, dark spot is something to keep an eye on but I bet it'll be okay.

I can't remember seeing any straight coir casings so not sure how that would turn out.

Personally I'd soak it then case with .25"-.3" peat, but keep in mind, I've still not had consistent results(usually takes at least 1.5 months after casing for pins for me.)




Straight choir(with a little calcium) casing is my best performing casing type with Subtrops and Papuanas, as long as it isn't too wet(I made that mistake recently). In my experience, choir casings lead to larger clusters and more of them. Over the last few months I performed several side by side tests of choir/ peat, verm casings with a few dish pin cultures and they all heavily leaned toward choir. My next test is to test a 50:50 of them both kind of like Captainfuture's casing recipe.

I wish I had taken pics of all my tests :facepalm: I rarely remember to take photos.


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
    #27279144 - 04/23/21 10:11 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I used a thin layer of verm and it worked just fine.


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
    #27279170 - 04/23/21 10:59 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Ok cool.

Yeah I had just skimmed the first few pages and saw posts about just using another layer of coir.

I’ll prob one side coir and the other jiffy.


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry]
    #27279281 - 04/23/21 12:55 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Straight choir(with a little calcium) casing is my best performing casing type with Subtrops and Papuanas, as long as it isn't too wet(I made that mistake recently). In my experience, choir casings lead to larger clusters and more of them. Over the last few months I performed several side by side tests of choir/ peat, verm casings with a few dish pin cultures and they all heavily leaned toward choir. My next test is to test a 50:50 of them both kind of like Captainfuture's casing recipe.

I wish I had taken pics of all my tests :facepalm: I rarely remember to take photos.





Nice! I'll have to give coir casing a try.

What thickness do you typically go with? Does it get fully colonized? If so do you recase or just leave it?


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
    #27279361 - 04/23/21 01:57 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Straight choir(with a little calcium) casing is my best performing casing type with Subtrops and Papuanas, as long as it isn't too wet(I made that mistake recently). In my experience, choir casings lead to larger clusters and more of them. Over the last few months I performed several side by side tests of choir/ peat, verm casings with a few dish pin cultures and they all heavily leaned toward choir. My next test is to test a 50:50 of them both kind of like Captainfuture's casing recipe.

I wish I had taken pics of all my tests :facepalm: I rarely remember to take photos.





Nice! I'll have to give coir casing a try.

What thickness do you typically go with? Does it get fully colonized? If so do you recase or just leave it?




I usually go less than half an inch. The culture will half colonize the choir then the pins will start peaking through. The key is that the casing is colonizable, and the culture will only colonize enough to pin in it's current FAE/RH conditions.

HOWEVER, if the choir is too wet this effect is lost. If you do get success with it being too wet the fruit will just be tiny. I haven't nailed down a proper recipe yet for optimal results so everyone is going to have to test out their own water to choir ratios. I do know that my best recipes have been on the dry side of field capacity, post pasteurization.


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry]
    #27279420 - 04/23/21 02:54 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you! Tempted to go scrape the casings off a couple trays and replace with coir
:excited:


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose] * 1
    #27279512 - 04/23/21 04:28 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Thank you! Tempted to go scrape the casings off a couple trays and replace with coir
:excited:




TEST BUDDIES ARE THE BEST BUDDIES!
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The only drawbacks with choir casing:

1: It tends to dry out faster, so bit of a learning curve and more maintenance
2: If your FAE is low the substrate can colonize the entire casing which defeats the purpose. You want FAE to be high enough to make the upper levels of casing too hostile for myc to want to colonize, but perfect for pins. It sounds more difficult than it actually is. 

*I put a small amount of calcium carbonate in the choir then add water, mix and pasteurize(to be safe).


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry]
    #27279548 - 04/23/21 05:01 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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TEST BUDDIES ARE THE BEST BUDDIES!
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2: If your FAE is low the substrate can colonize the entire casing which defeats the purpose. You want FAE to be high enough to make the upper levels of casing too hostile for myc to want to colonize, but perfect for pins. It sounds more difficult than it actually is. 





Ooooof, I been mostly doing low FAE grows(low maintenance and I like the appearance of the fruit). In that case maybe I'll try a 50:50 coir/peat.

So many different variables to tweak I love it, if only they fruited a little quicker to see results :lol:


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
    #27279611 - 04/23/21 06:08 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Has anyone ran them in a Martha or similar setup? The subtropical in subtropicalis might hint at what they like, but idk


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose] * 1
    #27279786 - 04/23/21 08:46 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Has anyone ran them in a Martha or similar setup? The subtropical in subtropicalis might hint at what they like, but idk





IME, they burn easily in martha conditions. The only way I ever got them to work in a martha was by putting them in a sealed mini mono that had a few holes covered in micropore tape to slow down the overall volume of air replacement. However, everyones marthas are different, and who knows what abilities/resistance  different cultures can have. Give it a shot and let us know how it goes :laugh:

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Ooooof, I been mostly doing low FAE grows(low maintenance and I like the appearance of the fruit). In that case maybe I'll try a 50:50 coir/peat.

So many different variables to tweak I love it, if only they fruited a little quicker to see results :lol:




I feel you, low FAE seems to be THE way to get subtrops to look beautiful. I started a low FAE tub a month or so ago and the first fruit looked almost identical to wild fruit, nipple and all(not like hoogshagenii, but still).

Well, keep in mind that I am using very ambiguous terminology, my "low FAE" could be the next cultivators "high FAE". Try some stuff out and see what works for you, especially if you are using a tray setup.

I just tested my pasteurized choir's field capacity and I couldn't get a drop out of it no matter what I tried, so its pretty dry. I wouldn't suggest that dry, but something similar.


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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry]
    #27279828 - 04/23/21 09:33 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah I had trouble with them in the martha. Was used to dialing it in for stone producers and they did not seem to like those conditions. Keep in mind though I did not do a good job of adjusting conditions

It’s interesting how the caps change like that, I’m glad I wasn’t entirely imagining things. I would have expected the opposite, Im curious as to why they appear to do that.

Also just recased a couple trays with 50/50 coir/peat. Was sloppy and rough removing the casing, oops. Interested to see how it goes, low FAE so it may not work out but worth a try anyways.


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