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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Wall.E]
#27225783 - 02/25/21 11:31 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks to Ambrose I'm gonna give these a go in a week or two.
Are fungus gnats common with these since they stick around so long? I don't have a single potted plant in my house should I be concerned?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: seldom seen]
#27225815 - 02/25/21 11:49 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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glad they made it. Hope they germinate alright for you.
I wouldn't worry too much. I have a bunch of potted plants in a nearby room that I think they migrated from. As a preventative measure you could place a sticky trap inside the tub as per mycorry's advice. It was very effective for me as there are no longer any left that I can see.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
#27225847 - 02/25/21 12:08 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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They made it promptly thank you! I was watching for the mailman like a senior citizen.
Copy that I will keep that in mind if I see any of the little fuckers.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: seldom seen] 3
#27263628 - 03/21/21 06:45 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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3rd flush:


I soaked this sub underwater for over 24 hours between harvest of the second flush and starting the 3rd-- I think the dry weight will be equal or even greater than the second--
Going forward I'll be soaking all fully consolidated semp subs before putting into fruiting to ensure they're well hydrated ahead of casing.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
#27263691 - 03/21/21 07:31 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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You’re gonna soak before the first flush?
I’m a few days from spawning my first jar so I gotta read up.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a] 1
#27263783 - 03/21/21 08:48 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes-- this sub behaved like it was on steroids once I dunk-soaked it. Up until then it was stalled at the pin stage and I think most would have trashed it. Mycorry suggested that I soak the substrate, and once I did (I also scraped the old casing off and re-cased thicker) the bag came alive.
It has been effortless ever since. Mist in the FC 1 or 2 times a day. Nothing else. My next work with these will be a clone culture from the second flush that I presently have completed on grain spawn-- when I put it to sub (a tray format this time) I will let it all consolidate 100%, wait an extra week or so to really let it work in, then do a good long soak before casing normally.
Based on the immediate "activation" of the bag when I dunked this, I see no reason not to start out with a well soaked sub next round.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
#27263980 - 03/22/21 01:25 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have three trays. Cased February 15th. Haven't seen anything happen un any of them. Gave one of the trays an overnight soak last week. It put on a lot of weight but also no action to be seen.
Maybe I'll try and scrape the casing away from one too (and re-case). You think it's the the disturbance that makes them spring into action?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Tweeq]
#27264109 - 03/22/21 06:43 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Could be-- i know it saved mine for sure
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
#27264147 - 03/22/21 07:31 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Weird.
So maybe let it consolidate, then dunk it, then case it a couple days later. Unless it’s actually scraping the surface that’s triggering pins.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
#27264153 - 03/22/21 07:37 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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coAsTal said: Could be-- i know it saved mine for sure
Well the reason I made three trays is to be able to mess with one or more of them so I might give this a shot. Idk how long is long with this species.. When you say scrape do you mean with something like a fork or how did you do it @Coastal? Your results with these are pretty epic.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a]
#27264178 - 03/22/21 07:59 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well I am going to case immediately after the soak-- no reason to wait days. I want that water used to initiate strong pinning-- so once it's in the sub I would case and put it in the FC. My goal is to avoid saturating the casing though, as that just got me short wet fruits on my cased grain tray. Those improved a lot when I backed off the water on the casing.
In the end I think it's beneficial for these to make sure the sub is more than the typical 65% "field saturation" that's common. But I don't think I would want to do that during the consolidation/spawning phase, because of the same risks with any mushroom of a wet sub.
RE: the scraping of the casing/surface: Yes, I just used a fork and carefully scraped the entire casing off. I've seen discussed the "derrumbe factor" of many Mexican shamanic mushrooms (Caerulescens, Zapotecorum, etc...) -- where they appear after landslides-- expose the area in which they grow, could be the pinning trigger--- and that scraping a well-consolidated substrate could act as a similar trigger indoors. That stands to reason-- but it is only a hypothesis. It absolutely worked here-- but I also soaked at the same time.
More experimentation and A/B testing would be beneficial. Clearly it's not necessary, as many people get spectacular results just using a basic growing method, but if your sub is stalled out, as mine was, it absolutely activated and saved my grow.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Tweeq]
#27264221 - 03/22/21 08:36 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tweeq said: Well the reason I made three trays is to be able to mess with one or more of them so I might give this a shot. Idk how long is long with this species.. When you say scrape do you mean with something like a fork or how did you do it @Coastal? Your results with these are pretty epic.
Semps can take forever to grow-- but I'm convinced that they are not always slow, just that they require certain conditions to kick out fruits. These flushes on this bag are averaging 2-3 weeks from harvest to what you see pictured. I started this bag last September with the original casing
Do you have any mycelium breaking up through the casing(s)? How thick/what is it made of? Temps? Conditions?
I found mycelium at the surface of the casing in less than 2 weeks from putting it in FC,

And primordia was starting about a week later in mid October:

But while it pinned heavy, it stalled completely. Here it was 5 weeks after the above pic on 11/20:

And 5 weeks later, just before new years:

That's when I took Mycorry's advice and scraped the casing then long-soaked the sub to try and solve the problem. I did this on 1/3 Here it was on 1/20:

12 days later 2/1:

I waited for spores, so here's the pre-harvest final pic on 2/7 of the first flush:

2nd flush on 2/22:

Pre-harvest 2nd flush on 3/4:

And that brings us back up to now. 
As you can see-- DRAMATIC difference after the scrape and soak.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
#27264228 - 03/22/21 08:45 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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How’s the trip from these?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
#27264253 - 03/22/21 09:11 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for such an elaborate answer. I will pasteurize some new casing for these. Last time I used coir/verm/sand.
The sub is a little bit of everything coir compost straw garden lime and also some sand, pasteurized. Rye grain spawn to sub approx 1:4.
This was when they were just cased after 10 days of consolidation. Tray in mono, on perlite at rt approx 21C

This is today:

Not much has happened. Those white dots have been there for quite a while but I can't make out if those were primordia or something. Casing is really thin
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coAsTal said:
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Tweeq said: Well the reason I made three trays is to be able to mess with one or more of them so I might give this a shot. Idk how long is long with this species.. When you say scrape do you mean with something like a fork or how did you do it @Coastal? Your results with these are pretty epic.
Semps can take forever to grow-- but I'm convinced that they are not always slow, just that they require certain conditions to kick out fruits. These flushes on this bag are averaging 2-3 weeks from harvest to what you see pictured. I started this bag last September with the original casing
Do you have any mycelium breaking up through the casing(s)? How thick/what is it made of? Temps? Conditions?
I found mycelium at the surface of the casing in less than 2 weeks from putting it in FC,

And primordia was starting about a week later in mid October:

But while it pinned heavy, it stalled completely. Here it was 5 weeks after the above pic on 11/20:

And 5 weeks later, just before new years:

That's when I took Mycorry's advice and scraped the casing then long-soaked the sub to try and solve the problem. I did this on 1/3 Here it was on 1/20:

12 days later 2/1:

I waited for spores, so here's the pre-harvest final pic on 2/7 of the first flush:

2nd flush on 2/22:

Pre-harvest 2nd flush on 3/4:

And that brings us back up to now. 
As you can see-- DRAMATIC difference after the scrape and soak.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a]
#27264307 - 03/22/21 10:06 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: How’s the trip from these?
I've not yet full-dosed on these-- just a 1g mini-- it was actually very DMT-like, very clear/electric and hypnotic feeling. I've read others that are more sensitive than I am getting obliterated on a single gram dried-- but it was maybe between "level 1 or 2" in my estimation. I'm evidently a hard-head these days, way less able to trip than I once was-- so I'm not the best example.
@Tweeq I have my FC ~23.5C at all times
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
#27264336 - 03/22/21 10:30 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Right on man they look like they’d have a similar trip to tamps.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a]
#27267313 - 03/24/21 11:21 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Does this spawn look normal?

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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a]
#27267327 - 03/24/21 11:34 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think that's normal, at least that's how mine often looks. Has it recovered well from shakes?
Edited by Ambrose (03/24/21 11:36 AM)
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Ambrose]
#27267332 - 03/24/21 11:36 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cool.
Yeah it’s bounced back quick, I shook the jar a few days ago.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a]
#27267422 - 03/24/21 12:32 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is cool, thank fuck i got here whilst it's only 11 pages.
Would anyone have a print they could spare? I've got some cubes I can trade or I can try take a print from my next pan flush (which is coming up atm)
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