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Nichrome
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Bigworm] 2
#28098669 - 12/15/22 12:21 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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All the actives are plenty soluble in water, especially hot.
Most mushrooms already have lots of chitinase in multiple forms in their tissues.
You're not losing much in the tissues. I used to grind the hell out of mush for tea but these days I just give them a fine dice with the chef knife on the cutting board. At least my bioassays indicate the lack of presence left in the chunks after even just a fairly short steep. Once the color is gone so is everything else IME.
All the good soluble fiber is in the tea too.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Nichrome]
#28098694 - 12/15/22 12:31 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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When I dice and steep my apes, they all turn into a big blue mush. What do you mean once the color is gone? Am I seeing something other than expected?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: cooleko]
#28098706 - 12/15/22 12:35 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I do powder up my shrooms for tea. I was just wondering if that would help with nausea or something else. I like primalsoup's acidic tea tek using citric acid.
Nichrome, you got a video for that? I liked watching all you testing videos for pc'ing with the IP.
Edited by Bigworm (12/15/22 12:38 PM)
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Bigworm] 3
#28098772 - 12/15/22 01:24 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Forget how long I've been letting my latest batch of semps mature. I think they are ready to be pulled after a month of curling and darkening.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: rockyfungus]
#28099147 - 12/15/22 04:54 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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kinda wondering when we'll get the next species now, both subs and nats add to the arsenal of moderately easy indoor species to cultivate apart from what we're seen with the woodlovers, is there a closely related species to subtropica or any good candidate imaginable?
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Guess I’m going to test if consolidating spawn increases potency.
My jar just colonized but it’s looking like I’ll be out of town for most of next month, so since I won’t be around to harvest them the jar is going to have to sit for like 2 months.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: A.k.a] 1
#28099237 - 12/15/22 05:34 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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you should find out what temps they prefer when just overconsolidating inside, i would think cutting temps by 5C for instance helps them when doing this.
an established "fact" is that cubes dont like it too cold, but i have seen cubes fruit at 5-10 in the garage of at least continue fruiting in these temps if stable and moisture is retained.
but established experience is also that putting stuff in the refrigerator is bad, but i wish we knew _why_ and *how* it is bad or how it is affecting them
to do an experiment i brought a cube substrate to -10C freezing for 24 hours, and now moved it in. it is bruised and not happy looking, but its not foul smelling or completely dead.
dunking it now alongside around 10 subtropica minisubstrates these seeem to be less attacked by the gnat flies which has consumed whole subs over the course of a month or so, replacing the content inside the liners with a black lined coir with a horrible shit like smell probably from the larvae.
since the subtropica fruits and mycelia is so much more active in psilocin, it stands to reason its more resistant to gnat flies too, suffering bigger consequences from eating them, acting in fact perhaps more deterrant and active than the cubensis
could be
tomorrow ill freeze a subtropica sub in the same manner and see if it too recovers
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nosf3r4tu

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Quote:
smalltalk_canceled said: kinda wondering when we'll get the next species now, both subs and nats add to the arsenal of moderately easy indoor species to cultivate apart from what we're seen with the woodlovers, is there a closely related species to subtropica or any good candidate imaginable?
Zapotecorum? They grow on grains and coir but are slower than semps. Don't know much about them but I have a germ plate about ready for first transfers.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] 4
#28099766 - 12/15/22 11:35 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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nosf3r4tu said:
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smalltalk_canceled said: kinda wondering when we'll get the next species now, both subs and nats add to the arsenal of moderately easy indoor species to cultivate apart from what we're seen with the woodlovers, is there a closely related species to subtropica or any good candidate imaginable?
Zapotecorum? They grow on grains and coir but are slower than semps. Don't know much about them but I have a germ plate about ready for first transfers.
Got a mono of zaps going at the moment:
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu]
#28099894 - 12/16/22 05:05 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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nosf3r4tu said:
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smalltalk_canceled said: kinda wondering when we'll get the next species now, both subs and nats add to the arsenal of moderately easy indoor species to cultivate apart from what we're seen with the woodlovers, is there a closely related species to subtropica or any good candidate imaginable?
Zapotecorum? They grow on grains and coir but are slower than semps. Don't know much about them but I have a germ plate about ready for first transfers.
Nah, they are too finicky. You leave the myc without a transfer a bit too long and it's unusable. Been there, done that Subs can sit for months and take off like nothing after a transfer. A species must be able to handle some degree of neglect/abuse to be attractive to mainstream cultivation.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Adas]
#28099897 - 12/16/22 05:09 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Damn it,... all my Semp germplates contam before they can germinate -.- Everything else is contam free, just the semps are kinda giving me a hard time
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Shrimps] 5
#28099954 - 12/16/22 06:36 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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2nd flush in almost 5 months  I gave a little to a friend who often eats SN APE,tested only 2 times in the amounts of 0.18 and 0.15 definitely stronger than SN APE said that at the dose of 0.18 he already had trouble speaking
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Shrimps] 2
#28099973 - 12/16/22 06:49 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah Zaps are not easy to grow like cubes/pans/semps. Many have tried but only a handful succeeded. I know Elpico has fruited them successfully and I believe VL has as well. From what I know, they take a long time to fruit and are very picky to fruiting conditions. If you have a good Semp culture, aside from fruiting taking a while, they are really easy and require only coir and a mono. Elpico told me he has successfully fruited Zaps on plain old PF cakes, as well as straw/BRF cakes, so at least the substrate doesn't need to be exotic. I can't confirm Adas' comment about mycelium aging out quickly since I haven't tried going back to older germ or xfer plates myself, but I can say that the prints are much shorter lived than other actives we grow. 6-12 months seems to be the lifespan. I had a print I used just once, got good germination and growth from it, had to abandon that grow and go back to the print only 4-6 months later and the print no longer worked. The print was probably a few months old when I started.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#28099980 - 12/16/22 06:54 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Well, I still have a bit left of the print and shared it also with Nef. I think he got them to germinate. So I am not giving up hope yet ^^ I can be quite stubborn.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Shrimps]
#28100157 - 12/16/22 08:55 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Shrimps said: Damn it,... all my Semp germplates contam before they can germinate -.- Everything else is contam free, just the semps are kinda giving me a hard time 
Are you sure they are contaminated? Ime Semp myc looks different, almost like a mold. Not that I'm am authority on the subject.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Bigworm]
#28100194 - 12/16/22 09:15 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah obvious bacteria ;-) I always check over a couple of days before tossing to be safe.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Shrimps] 2
#28100429 - 12/16/22 12:09 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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 Gross sub from throwing it at the ground. Wrong approach.
Please sporulate already.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: rockyfungus] 2
#28100477 - 12/16/22 12:39 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I've had some mangled ones as well. In my case it was from phorid fly infestation and associated contamination.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Hindsight] 1
#28100494 - 12/16/22 12:53 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Damn. I tossed a few plates before I knew it looked different. I was hoping for the same for you.
Sitting here waiting for these. I'm thinking at least another 3-4 weeks for pins?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Bigworm] 2
#28100499 - 12/16/22 12:58 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Tough to say - highly dependent on the culture and the conditions. I have had cultures that wouldn't pin after 2 months in a shoebox. Took the lid off, put them in the tent and they pinned 7 days after that. If I put the tub into the tent as soon as it's colonized, I will get pins in about 2 to 8 weeks. Best thing is to be patient with these. A lot of FAE is helpful for pin triggering in my opinion, so a tent or JCM-tub would be most ideal, but there are a handful of folks out there with cultures that will pin quickly in a monotub without a lot of FAE. So the answer is, it just depends.
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