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Official Ps. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread 21
#27070123 - 12/03/20 01:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey. I just couldn't wait for this thread anymore. I see more and more people cultivating this species, I just got started with it, and from the stories I've read about it, it definitely deserves it's own thread. I just want to get it started. So, if you have any experience, questions, suggestions,... feel free to participate.
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Moopers said: Hi all!
I've read through every page of this thread and some grow longs, and I've attempted to compile comprehensive notes on growing P. subtropicalis, organizing the wisdom/experience of many of the growers here into topics. It's in my signature and also here. I hope it will become a useful resource.
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Melgo said: Hey guys,
If you're interested, here's my take on growing the beautiful mushroom: Growing Semperviva/Subtropicalis - My standard procedure, it all comes down to the basics.
 
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: mycorry] 1
#27071072 - 12/04/20 01:47 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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mycorry said: Just for clarification because it bothers me so much to see these misnomers being thrown around.
Is this thread meant to be focused on hoogshagenii or subtropicales? I ask becaus hoogshagenii var convexa and semperviva are old outdated names for the species called Psilocybe subtropicales. Subtropicales is not directly related to hoogshagenii. The iconic big nippled hoogshagenii is a separate species of which few have spores of.
VS  Psilocybe hoogshagenii Psilocybe subtropicales
Having said that, It is my opinion that subtropicales is the best mushroom for cultivation after one gains experience with cubensis. It is better in every way, trust me and try it, but get your spores from a reputable source. I have 4 sets of subtropicales genetics and two of them are by far more aggressive at pinning and colonization than the others.
My preferred strategy with these is to set a petri dish(must be the ventilated type) with subtropicales myc aside for a few months to wait for a dish pin. Clone that dish pin and use it to nock up grain jars. It should do the trick for just about every type of fruiting chamber. Just be sure that the plate that has been set aside to pin has only had maybe 2 transfers from the original so to retain as many sets of genes as possible.
I have a flush coming up right now that should be ready for pics in a few weeks!(it's cold, so they are slow) I'll post 'em when they happen 
Edit: Here's a pic of those pins. This specific culture seems to really like a plain Choir casing layer compared to peat:verm.

Made this thread before going to bed and woke up to 24 posts already 😊 Thank you mycorry for the clarification. That's exactly why I started this. Seems like a wonderful species and has so much confusion around it that makes people stay away. I've already edited the title of the thread and I want to edit the first post/introduction with info on the species that may help anyone interested to get started. This ^ may take some time cuz I just found out I got funding to start a mushroom farm and my thoughts are all over the place now...
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Re: Official Hoogshagenii/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] 1
#27071108 - 12/04/20 02:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here's my little project
  I have 4 of those containers. Sterilized substrate inoculated with agar wedge (strait from the inoculation plate) 1 part barley, 1 part manure, 1 part straw. (The same recipe I used for cubes). I've used this approach with panaeolus and had 100% success rate. (Different substrate recipe)
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Re: Official Ps. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] 3
#27071148 - 12/04/20 03:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't think pans are hard. More complicated... probably. But they move a lot faster than semperviva. On the flip side semperviva is slow and steady. Very resistant to contamination and can produce for long periods of time. Over 1 year. I don't know if it's worth to keep it going for that long though. This makes me wonder if it could be posible to add new substrate/food to it. Just like people add wood chips on woodlovers beads and keep them going for 10+years. If that could be possible than it really is worthy of its name. Semperviva - For Ever Living. Potency I've heard is on the same level with pans but have not tried semperviva yet.
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smalltalk_canceled said: Got one Hogshagenii var convexa print left now to request
Good clusters?

I thought we had this sorted by now. Semperviva = Psilocybe Subtropicales Not Ps. Hoogshagenii var Convexa
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So far three caps failed to lay spores on fail, but three caps laid spores on paper
From what I know you should leave them until you see spores on the gills. Probably a week after the caps are fully open. They are as slow at sporulating as they are in fruiting.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] 1
#27078071 - 12/08/20 01:26 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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And I think I lost 2 out of 4 containers to mold... I'll be pouring some plates tonight and I hope to find some clean myc in there to put to agar. But I think the other 2 are enough to find a good clone.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicales/Semperviva Thread [Re: RiverBum] 1
#27084870 - 12/12/20 12:11 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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RiverBum said: Looks great S_C! Like the others said give em time and let the gills get nice and dark and you will get good prints  Meanwhile I harvested the last fruits to mature from my mini mono yesterday!
 That pile weighed in at 280g fresh and my total weight from the first flush was 445g of fresh potent mushrooms! Love this species!
What spawn/sub ration (recipe) did you use to get that harvest?
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Poison Drink] 1
#27085331 - 12/12/20 09:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Poison Drink said: Interesting thread! I posted my best flush of these P. subtropicalis quite a while ago in another thread, and the bin is still going. I lost count but I think it has produced about 10 flushes by now. I took a clone of a nice cluster a while ago, made LC and inoculated popcorn spawn with it. I just spawned this to pasteurized straw, worm compost and gypsum, so I hope to contribute some new pictures soon. I'm growing these at 18°C at the moment in an unmodified bin.
Here's the picture of a couple of months ago:

Also, the Latin name is P. subtropicalis with an 'i' at the end. So the thread title is wrong. Just saying so it doesn't get ingrained!
http://www.indexfungorum.org/names/NamesRecord.asp?RecordID=414042
Fixed. Thx
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] 1
#27085343 - 12/12/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anybody has suggestions/ideas for an automated FC for this species? They are prone to be neglected at some point. Giving 10 plus flushes. Everybody needs to leave home a few days now and then.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Dark fatal7] 1
#27088238 - 12/14/20 04:12 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I didn't got a chance to poure agar and try to save some of the myc from my contaminated containers and today when I looked at them it seems that semperviva is making progress in the mold filled substrate so I decided to let them do they're think. Here's how they look now.
 This is my only healthy container
  This is one of the mold infested ones.
  And this is the other one. I have another container that has 2 green spots but I didn't take any pics cuz it's in posible to see it properly.
If semperviva wins the battle I'm renaming it to Chuck Norris or Bruce Willis.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Aendir] 1
#27091434 - 12/16/20 12:20 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Aendir said: Hey guys !
I'm late to the party 
Here are some quotes I posted on the exotic thread :
Thanks. I'll put those on the front page.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: PitcherCrab] 1
#27131971 - 01/06/21 11:39 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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PitcherCrab said: I just received some P. semperviva (Ps. Hoogshagenii var Convexa) in a trade and I’m really excited to join all you in this thread. Do any of you have the cliff notes version of the best way to get started with these guys? Asura, you mentioned you’ll be taking a different approach next time do you mind if I ask what that will be?
First get them on agar and and when you have clean culture move to grains. After that spawn to bulk. As of substrates... they seem to eat about everything. I have a small Bottle tek going on that I've cased about a week ago. Substrate was 1 part grains 1 part straw 1 part manure. Same recipe I use for cubes. And casing was jiffy / sand 50/50 and calcium carbonate. Same recipe I used for Tampanensis.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: nosf3r4tu] 1
#27131977 - 01/06/21 11:43 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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And you should label it Ps. Subtropicalis (Semperviva)
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: PitcherCrab] 1
#27132810 - 01/07/21 12:12 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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It will work fine. I've seen people adding used coffee and sand to coir with good results. But I can't give advice on it...
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: PitcherCrab]
#27154997 - 01/18/21 09:13 AM (3 years, 9 days ago) |
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I've cased mine about 1 month ago and no signs of pins yet.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: PitcherCrab]
#27155104 - 01/18/21 10:25 AM (3 years, 9 days ago) |
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Hope it's worth the wait.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Nichrome]
#27160842 - 01/21/21 08:04 AM (3 years, 6 days ago) |
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Nichrome said: So what is the story, are you guys waiting for colonization of sub and then casing, or is a top layer at the time of spawning adequate?
I cased mine after full colonization. And from what I see everybody is doing the same. Nice. Good luck Puduwoke. Mine are in fruiting for a month now and not one pin yet.
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: Nichrome]
#27161439 - 01/21/21 01:10 PM (3 years, 6 days ago) |
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I wonder if a cold shock would get them moving but I'm hesitant to try it...
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Re: Official P. Subtropicalis/Semperviva Thread [Re: coAsTal]
#27162741 - 01/22/21 01:26 AM (3 years, 6 days ago) |
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Kind of did that a few hours ago. Put some water in the fridge last night and soaked the container with that cold water and drained it after 30 min. or so. Hope it works.
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