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Psilocybe mairei? ID needed * 2
    #27068462 - 12/02/20 03:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Hello,
I'm sure these are psilocybe, I find them every year in the same area between October and December, but I've never been sure about what kind of psilocybe they are.
I suspect them to be psilocybe Mairei based on the description I read on Psilocybin mushrooms of the world by Paul Stamets.

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Nebrodi Mountains, Sicily, Italy. Altitude 1000 meters. The temperature between November and December can oscillate roughly between  18 °C in hot sunny days and -2 °C in cold nights. 

Habitat:
Pine wood. They grow on wood debris, pine cones, pine needles.

Bruising:
They bruise blue but not immediately, it takes like 1h for bruising.

When young they are yellowish-brown, then they turn browner and when they dry they turn white. Here are some pictures.



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Re: Psilocybe mairei? ID needed [Re: Indi4qy] * 1
    #27068503 - 12/02/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'm thinking you have Psilocybe serbica. I could be wrong :shrug:


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Re: Psilocybe mairei? ID needed [Re: ZenZone]
    #27068529 - 12/02/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yep i think Psilocybe Serbica, they do grow in Italy. Those look pretty much identical to the serbica's i found.


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Re: Psilocybe mairei? ID needed [Re: Indi4qy]
    #27068564 - 12/02/20 04:20 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Very nice finds!  Congrats


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Re: Psilocybe mairei? ID needed [Re: Indi4qy]
    #27068716 - 12/02/20 05:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Very cool!


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Re: Psilocybe mairei? ID needed [Re: ZenZone]
    #27068739 - 12/02/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm thinking you have Psilocybe serbica. I could be wrong :shrug:




  :fuckinawesome:

Awesome finds man! Just beautiful!


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Re: Psilocybe mairei? ID needed [Re: Pluviophile]
    #27068753 - 12/02/20 06:12 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Nice finds man


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Re: Psilocybe mairei? ID needed [Re: bloodycarcass]
    #27069232 - 12/03/20 02:14 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks you all.
I excluded serbica because its description (from Wikipedia) states "slightly translucent-striate when moist but not viscid and without a separable gelatinous pellicle" but these mushrooms seem to be quite viscid when moist and they have a gelatinous pellicle that, not very easily, but can be separated.
Next time I find them I will try to take some decent pictures of the pellicle and I will post them here:)


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Re: Psilocybe mairei? ID needed [Re: Indi4qy] * 1
    #27070674 - 12/03/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

They remind me of azurescens, hopefully,  Alan will chime in, but they are Psilocybe.

Edit: Psilocybe arcana is another one that comes to mind.


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    #27071109 - 12/04/20 02:25 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

These are Psilocybe serbica.    Psilocybe arcana is synonym of P. serbica in my opinion, but some people make the distinction based on small differences in spore size.

I wouldn't be surprised if P. mairei is also a synonym of P. serbica - if so, that would be the correct name for this taxon since it was described earlier.  Unfortunately no one knows what P. mairei is at the moment because it hasn't been found recently and the type collection isn't findable.



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Re: Psilocybe mairei? ID needed [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #27071203 - 12/04/20 04:58 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

That was my opinion as well considering arcana.
What about var.sternberkiana and var.moravica  ? (Synonyms or legit varieties ?)
Except spore size there is evidently difference in overall morphology, at least in my opinion.

I really hope you respond, because there is quite a debate and general confusion on local Serbian forums for more than 10 years. I am from Serbia, and i find tons of serbica. OP's shroomies are more than certainly p.serbica.

Thanks


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Re: Psilocybe mairei? ID needed [Re: Indi4qy]
    #27072083 - 12/04/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Really cool find! What a rarity! :yesnod: :mushroom2:


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    #27072729 - 12/04/20 10:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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What about var.sternberkiana and var.moravica  ? (Synonyms or legit varieties ?)





Legit varieties doesn't really have meaning, because there's no definition of what a variety is.  Different people use the word in different ways.  A lot of varieties were described from abnormal collections and are really synonyms, others are a slightly different phenotype, and others could could stand on their own as a different species.

Regarding those exact varieties, I'd need to see them in person a few hundred times to make up my mind about it, and I don't live in Europe so I just call it all P. serbica.

This thread reminded me to contact the guy in Morocco that found Psilocybe mairei - he said he took a whole lot and had a near death experience, causing him to forget to mail me the sample.  He said he'd go ahead and send it now.  It's pretty likely that due to this thread, everyone in Europe will be calling Psilocybe serbica by Psilocybe mairei in a couple of years, if the DNA and microscopy turns out the way I suspect it will.


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Re: Psilocybe mairei? ID needed [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #27073374 - 12/05/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
This thread reminded me to contact the guy in Morocco that found Psilocybe mairei - he said he took a whole lot and had a near death experience, causing him to forget to mail me the sample.  He said he'd go ahead and send it now.  It's pretty likely that due to this thread, everyone in Europe will be calling Psilocybe serbica by Psilocybe mairei in a couple of years, if the DNA and microscopy turns out the way I suspect it will.



Are you suggesting that mairei and serbica could be the same species?
I'm glad that this thread was useful :smile:
Thanks again for the identification!


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Re: Psilocybe mairei? ID needed [Re: Indi4qy] * 1
    #27074388 - 12/05/20 11:36 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Indi4qy said:
Are you suggesting that mairei and serbica could be the same species?






Yes.


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