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Suspect oat jars!
    #27068021 - 12/02/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Hey fellow shroomery! First attempt at agar -> grain and first grow in general. The agar I used was t4 and very tomentose and not the best genetics I feel as it's been a month and these jars still arent fully colonized. What do you guys think of the overall health? One jar started exhibiting blueing underneath the mycellium after the first shake and I dont know if I should toss or fruit in the jar with a small casing layer. Would you fruit these? Was gonna monotub but shoeboxes look like the bet bet. Any input is appreciated! ( I lost 4 jars of 8 to trich)


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Re: Suspect oat jars! [Re: FrugalFungi]
    #27068068 - 12/02/20 11:56 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

They all look pretty healthy to me. I would just spawn to bulk and see what happens


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Re: Suspect oat jars! [Re: MySillyUmRuns]
    #27068080 - 12/02/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So what do you think about the one jar withtheveryvisible blue tints in certain places? Just bruising?


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Re: Suspect oat jars! [Re: FrugalFungi]
    #27068140 - 12/02/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

No way those are healthy. You might be lucky and get one flush


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Re: Suspect oat jars! [Re: TheBoJim]
    #27068242 - 12/02/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Jars shouldn’t take a month to colonize. That’s a good sign something in your process isn’t right. Try more agar in there to start. Shake gently after transfer and let it colonize 20/30% of the grain then shake, that should do it.
Anything green in a grain jar is a bad sign, areas of grain that have not been colonized is not a bad sign early on, as the mycelium has not made it there yet. At 2 weeks in then it should  be fully colonized and uncolonized grain is then a bad sign.
I would not use those you will be growing contaminates and this might affect future grows, it’s also a pain to clean up. You should never spawn uncolonized grains as these will have a really good chance of contamination. Read and keep reading and think about each stage of your process to tighten every stage up then you will have quality grain spawn.

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Re: Suspect oat jars! [Re: Dr.Sparkle]
    #27068258 - 12/02/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

To me oats always look kinda fucked but I'd take out the 'kinda' in this case.


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Re: Suspect oat jars! [Re: Josex]
    #27068413 - 12/02/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

From the get go they were colonizing pretty slow. I think it may be because I moved with my agar dishes and they suffered large temp swings, condensation, and came in and put of the fridge quite a bit. So dont bother trying to spawn any of these? I inoculated with 1/4 dish on november 2. I've read that I may be able to get some fruits if I just open the top and case lightly. If I gotta toss then I will but it's so disappointing haha.


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Re: Suspect oat jars! [Re: FrugalFungi]
    #27068433 - 12/02/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You've got this far so you could as well spawn them into separate showeboxes and see, maybe you'll get something from them but you need to watch out for contamination.


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Re: Suspect oat jars! [Re: FrugalFungi]
    #27068448 - 12/02/20 03:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Josex said:
You've got this far so you could as well spawn them into separate showeboxes and see, maybe you'll get something from them but you need to watch out for contamination.



This is what I would do.

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So what do you think about the one jar withtheveryvisible blue tints in certain places? Just bruising?



I never saw bruising in my oat jars. Not sure if it’s possible.


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Re: Suspect oat jars! [Re: TheBoJim]
    #27068557 - 12/02/20 04:17 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

If you do spawn them, I’d be almost 100% certain you will be dealing with contamination. When you open the jars see how they smell, don’t stick your nose right in just incase it’s something nasty in there, check the general smell. So in the future you will know right off what fresh oat spawn should and shouldn’t smell like, as that’s a great indicator as well. It should smell like fresh clean mushrooms!  Store these boxes somewhere different to where you intend to store good boxes later!

I am not sure on bruising mycelium, I would hazard a guess that it doesn’t bruise. As you can shake the shit out of jars etc and I have never seen it blue. if you have lost 4 of 8 to Trich. I’d say they will likely all be contaminated with trich.

It’s your call I have had problems with trich, that have caused future problems I could of avoided if I had just faced up to my errors earlier.


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Re: Suspect oat jars! [Re: FrugalFungi]
    #27068595 - 12/02/20 04:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

yea, the bluing is normal and not uncommon to see during colonization. doesn't look like trich to me. If it was trich, it would likely be a lot more widespread and obvious. That shit is like wildfire. And as someone suggested above, give your spawn a quick smell before spawning. Should just be a normal earthy mushroom smell


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Re: Suspect oat jars! [Re: MySillyUmRuns]
    #27068636 - 12/02/20 04:53 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Well I used two plates. One obviously had contam because the 4 jars i used with it contaminated quickly within 24 hours were entirely green. I disnt prep my oats good enough and there was a slight chalky bit left inside they weren't completely saturated to proper moisture content. Maybe this is why it's taking longer to colonize than some say it should?


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Re: Suspect oat jars! [Re: FrugalFungi]
    #27069905 - 12/03/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

yea, oversaturated or undersaturated grain spawn will lead to slower colonization times.


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Re: Suspect oat jars! [Re: MySillyUmRuns]
    #27069968 - 12/03/20 12:25 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Exactly how did you prepare your oats? And how long did you PC them? Is it synthetic filter discs you are using on the jars?


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Re: Suspect oat jars! [Re: Dr.Sparkle]
    #27070589 - 12/03/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I followed bods oat tek. I found that I had so many burst grains that I tried to boil or less time and evidently they were not fully saturated due to it. Mut just be cheap oats not high quality. Might try a soak method next time due to this. Just 2 layers micropore ->pc -> 1 more layer micropore. I have sfd's and plastic lids arriving today.


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Re: Suspect oat jars! [Re: FrugalFungi]
    #27070790 - 12/03/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Can’t comment on micropore but I do highly recommend synthetic filter discs. 2 or 3 holes 1/8” no more or the grain dries out too much. Holes are for gas exchange not air exchange.

I used to cook oats for 35minutes on a hard boil, but have found for 1/2 quart jars 25mins is perfect and bags with 1200g oats dry, boiling for 17.5mins is perfect. The more grain you have in a jar/bag before pcing the lower the water content needs to be or they will be overly wet. Make sure you add the oats to cold water and then bring them to a boil, more will burst of added to boiling water.

Play around with different boiling times and then pc them for the time you will be doing your actual run, find what’s right, they should look almost dry when inside the jar. Dryer is better than too wet. Then once you have that dialed do up a batch and get transferring!

Let your oats steam dry!! Don’t rinse after.


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