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Re: Will filling half-pint REGULAR mouth with BRF and inoculating with MS work? [Re: EastBayRay] 1
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Will they grow in regular mouth half pint jars? Sure. There are plenty of pictures of people doing so only to realize issue #1 below
The issues:
1) Removal of the cake will require you to break the jar or somehow cut the cake up inside/scoop if out with a spoon. So, if you are fruiting as a cake, your only option is to break the jar. If you're going to bulk then it should be fine.
2) Dry verm layer filter won't fit as well as with wide-mouth jars. So you might have to make the cake smaller to fit a dry verm layer. And that might cause issues colonizing, although I don't know as I've never tried making brf cakes any other way but the standard way per P.F Tek.
Hopefully someone who has tried this can chime in as I don't see why it won't work, I just see some hurdles to overcome/inconveniences.
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Re: Will filling half-pint REGULAR mouth with BRF and inoculating with MS work? [Re: EastBayRay]
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I'd recommend trying to grow grain instead. Just spore water to grain for starters, might not work with all jars but will work with several. And injecting without SAB. Do you have a PC? (pressure cooker). One thing you'll need is coco coir but you can get that in any gardening store and even Dollar Stores sometimes and Home Depot type stores.
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Re: Will filling half-pint REGULAR mouth with BRF and inoculating with MS work? [Re: EastBayRay]
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polaritymind said: I'd recommend trying to grow grain instead. Just spore water to grain for starters, might not work with all jars but will work with several. And injecting without SAB. Do you have a PC? (pressure cooker). One thing you'll need is coco coir but you can get that in any gardening store and even Dollar Stores sometimes and Home Depot type stores.
Not trying to accumulate a ton of supplies or spend a bunch of money. This is just a one-off grow to feed my head.
If all you are looking for is a few good trips then you can buy a case of the regular mouth jars, fill with BRF, sterilize, inoculate with syringe, wait for colonization and consolidation, remove lids and fruit directly from the jars. This way you won't have to buy any storage totes or extra soil. Just place some plastic bags over the tops of the jars and poke some holes in them for fresh air exchange.
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Re: Will filling half-pint REGULAR mouth with BRF and inoculating with MS work? [Re: tiptrippy]
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Ok I am not saying to spend a lot of money and accumulate a lot of stuff. Coco coir is a type of soil made from coconut fibers, comes in a brick and would get used up. And ok no PC, I get it, but thats one thing not "accumulating a lot" since, as I said, you can do without a SAB.
Well truth is, nothing is for free. The easiest way is always to buy the shrooms ready, and the next level is a gowkit, still expensive but already a lot cheaper and the next level is dirt cheap, grow your own, but there you pay with effort and learning the process and gathering all the things. And then you can get higher success rates and lower contamination, which makes it go into the area of more expensive again but is a thing of preference, since people dont like to see mold, not super neccesary, a question of style really.
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Re: Will filling half-pint REGULAR mouth with BRF and inoculating with MS work? [Re: polaritymind]
#27067814 - 12/02/20 09:16 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Also, no PC grain: broke boi tek. He uses an SAB, but as he says, its not neccesary. Just try to still the air in the room (closed windows and doors, no fans and no breathing on it) when you open the jar for inoculation, and do it quickly to minimize the exposed time.
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Re: Will filling half-pint REGULAR mouth with BRF and inoculating with MS work? [Re: polaritymind]
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Oh you know what I went back and read more closely, youre planning on spawning to CVG anyway. So tbh other than doing grain, I could very well imagine that your plan could work actually as well. If you want to report after If it did, I'll now for sure for next time so gladly do that if you want to.
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Re: Will filling half-pint REGULAR mouth with BRF and inoculating with MS work? *DELETED* [Re: polaritymind]
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Re: Will filling half-pint REGULAR mouth with BRF and inoculating with MS work? [Re: EastBayRay]
#27070150 - 12/03/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Smaller subs can be good training wheels, but they are tricky for retaining good Fae and moisture. More vulnerable to:
- small air space above sub - less moisture in total - often new growers suck at both making en and the maintenance of proper conditions
As for for smaller, narrow mouth containers, a hydrated grain with dry exterior is a great candidate for such a jar, more than BRF unless u are planning to spawn to bulk
🌽 Corn in smaller containers are ez to work with, but gives worse flushes than oats or rye
Pc corn in water 20 mins, strain, dry off exterior of kernels, fill jars 2/3 full, pc 2 hours, inoculate, colonize, spawn to pure coir
Doesn't give great results but easy as fuck and reliable with clean spawn
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The PC is one of the most horrible items to skip in the hobby. Don't
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Re: Will filling half-pint REGULAR mouth jars with BRF and inoculating with MS work? [Re: EastBayRay]
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Yeah it will work, its just a pain in the ass to work with cause the cake can get stuck inside.
Have you tried looking online or other wide-mouth brands of glass jars? Im sure you could find some. I know I can!
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Re: Will filling half-pint REGULAR mouth with BRF and inoculating with MS work? [Re: EastBayRay]
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EastBayRay said: I do not have a PC and I understand that there are much more efficient ways of growing. I simply wanted to do PF Tek but I cannot find any half-pint wide mouth jars. I will just try to do what I described in the original post. Hopefully my grains fully colonize and do not stall.
I did some cakes in these containers and it worked just as well as glass jars ever have
https://www.target.com/p/twist-and-store-round-food-storage-container-6ct-4-fl-oz-up-38-up-8482/-/A-75663601
Ziran's PF Tek writeup shows someone using shallow, rectangular food storage containers: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24179086
I think pretty much anything with a lid that you can poke holes into and will survive your sterilization method will work. The main thing is to keep it relatively shallow to prevent stalling.
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Re: Will filling half-pint REGULAR mouth with BRF and inoculating with MS work? [Re: EastBayRay]
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EastBayRay said: I do not have a PC and I understand that there are much more efficient ways of growing. I simply wanted to do PF Tek but I cannot find any half-pint wide mouth jars. I will just try to do what I described in the original post. Hopefully my grains fully colonize and do not stall.
Yeah I dont think there are "much more efficient ways". There is workarounds and compromises, that also work if youre not looking for a lot of yield or are willing to tolerate more contam (lower rate of success). It really costs nerves mostly, but of course might be cheaper since the substrates are cheap and even if half contam its still cheaper than a 30$ PC, I get it but I personnaly cant stand the sight of more mold than I need to and am willing to pay that little bit of money once.
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Re: Will filling half-pint REGULAR mouth with BRF and inoculating with MS work? [Re: EastBayRay]
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tiptrippy said: If all you are looking for is a few good trips then you can buy a case of the regular mouth jars, fill with BRF, sterilize, inoculate with syringe, wait for colonization and consolidation, remove lids and fruit directly from the jars. This way you won't have to buy any storage totes or extra soil. Just place some plastic bags over the tops of the jars and poke some holes in them for fresh air exchange.
I tried that before but never had any luck. Spawning to CVG in a mini mono seems to give the better results, IME.
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polaritymind said: Also, no PC grain: broke boi tek. He uses an SAB, but as he says, its not neccesary. Just try to still the air in the room (closed windows and doors, no fans and no breathing on it) when you open the jar for inoculation, and do it quickly to minimize the exposed time.
This is an interesting TEK, and it sure looks like he gets positive results, but not using a PC to 'sterilize' grains is counter intuitive to everything that I have read here on the Shroomery. Of course, I have never actually tried it for myself. But I did a non-extensive search for "broke boi tek" and did not see anyone replicating his success.
The deciding difference is he uses a "softer grain", brown rice. Just like uncle bens tek or growkits this is not especially popular on this forum so you will rarely fin anyone condoning or recommend these.
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Re: Will filling half-pint REGULAR mouth with BRF and inoculating with MS work? [Re: EastBayRay]
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No idea, pics would help
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Re: Will filling half-pint REGULAR mouth with BRF and inoculating with MS work? [Re: EastBayRay]
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Did you thought about using spawn bags instead of jars? Since Jars are difficult to find or sold out most of time(s). This bags should withstand PC temps easily. Using small jars is still a good way to start without PC. One it grows mycelia and colonized you can transfer to bigger bag(s). Having less risk to contamination. Coco coir can be pasteurized, so that might help expanding the flush.
maintain verm/flour/water ratio at all times for BRF tek
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Re: Will filling half-pint REGULAR mouth with BRF and inoculating with MS work? [Re: EastBayRay]
#27110364 - 12/27/20 09:10 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ive done BRF in regular jam jars that worked fine. Some brands are wide mouth (no "shoulder" to the jar) but if you're crumbling to bulk anyway then it shouldn't matter much. You may also be able to find 8oz pp5 containers, like the kind you'd buy soups and sauces in. They're easy to make a hole in the lid and cover with MP tape.
There are plenty of options that while they may not be the most optimal, they can still work just fine for the purpose of getting a few trips.
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Re: Will filling half-pint REGULAR mouth with BRF and inoculating with MS work? [Re: Tattersail]
#27110513 - 12/27/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wait.. when you say regular mouth 1/2 pints, do you just mean the taller straight jars? Because that’s what comes up when I google “regular mouth 1/2 pint jars”.. it’s what I currently use

They work fine.. you don’t have to break the jar.. the cake slides right out. The biggest thing is making sure you use enough inoculate so that some gets down to the bottom of the jar.. if you only have the cultures start near the top, the jars can stall or start pinning before the bottom gets colonized
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Re: Will filling half-pint REGULAR mouth with BRF and inoculating with MS work? [Re: EastBayRay]
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I think half pint regular mouth work fine as long as they don’t have a shoulder. Maybe slightly tougher to birth, but as long as they’re straight, you should be good to go just like with the wide mouth. Yes, there is a national shortage and the wide mouth half pints are impossible to find at a reasonable price.
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Re: Will filling half-pint REGULAR mouth with BRF and inoculating with MS work? [Re: EastBayRay]
#27110629 - 12/27/20 12:10 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah ideally so it goes down to the bottom.. you can also help the liquid get down by kind of pulling the cake away from the jar wall slightly with a little pressure from the needle when you inoculate so the liquid drips down
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Re: Will filling half-pint REGULAR mouth with BRF and inoculating with MS work? [Re: EastBayRay]
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I have the exact same ones because that’s all I could find. They are definitely straight. They are kind of a pain in the rear end because they are quilted and it’s hard to see through the glass.
Here is an example of a jar with a shoulder (I.e., not straight). It’s a pint jar but you get the idea. If there’s a shoulder, it’s harder to get the cake out all in one piece. If you’re going to shred it then it doesn’t matter but if you want to get it out in one piece, then you want to avoid shoulders. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07RKQ4JS3/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glc_fabc_wQo6Fb28JME2Y?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
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Re: Will filling half-pint REGULAR mouth with BRF and inoculating with MS work? [Re: K-dubs]
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I get cans from pretty much any general grocery store but idk where you are located so you might not have this option.
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Re: Will filling half-pint REGULAR mouth with BRF and inoculating with MS work? [Re: 1kldude]
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I’m guessing there are other containers you can use like cans. We were talking about the jars specifically. But it’s good to know what other kinds of containers people use, especially which ones can stand up to pressure cooking and other sterilization techniques. I just stick with the jars because they’re pretty standard-but given the shortage, may have to get creative in the future.
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