Home | Community | Message Board

Original Seeds Store
This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder

Jump to first unread post Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | Next >  [ show all ]
Invisibleredgreenvines
irregular verb
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,532
Re: Interesting debate between physicists on whether there is a simulated universe or not [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27082204 - 12/10/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

actually no


--------------------
:confused: _ :brainfart:🧠  _ :finger:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOutsideOfMyMind
LSD Self Administrative Director
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/05/20
Posts: 5,383
Last seen: 3 hours, 14 minutes
Re: Interesting debate between physicists on whether there is a simulated universe or not [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27082912 - 12/10/20 07:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Everything is based off of the Fibonacci code. Even an unrepeated pattern still contains the Fibonacci sequence. Gravity waves are a spiral and our whole universe is a spiral.


--------------------



Edited by OutsideOfMyMind (12/10/20 07:59 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineInnerWisdom
Male

Registered: 08/09/19
Posts: 1,936
Loc: North EU
Last seen: 4 days, 12 hours
Re: Interesting debate between physicists on whether there is a simulated universe or not [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27083388 - 12/11/20 02:40 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
actually no



True. I was talking out of (ass)umption. But that's how it feels anyways. Entity contacts, peculiar visuals, symbols, like some intelligence is communicating to you more. This could be us becoming more conscious of what's going on in the right brain.
I know the effects are due to decreased cerebral blood flow and activity in regions. The question is what explains the subjective consciousness changes and where is the consciousness.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineSTPLSD25
Shaman
Male User Gallery

Registered: 10/14/20
Posts: 329
Last seen: 2 years, 7 months
Re: Interesting debate between physicists on whether there is a simulated universe or not [Re: PatrickKn]
    #27083588 - 12/11/20 08:20 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Though I can see humans trying to equate the universe with new technology, I think this case is slightly different because the reality does coincide. For example, you mentioned binary code. 0 or 1. Nothing or everything. Off or on. The universe is quite binary when considering space, in fact modern scientists claim to be able to prove that everything in our universe is in fact binary...

Then you got physics which say time slows down around objects of larger mass, well, that in itself can be thought of as processing power when you load a big game file, the game is going to move slower as well.

You also have real life supernatural occurrences people have experienced such as seeing into the past/future, but not being seen back, astral projection and, memories from past lives. (Reincarnation is like a video game characters ability to respawn.) 

When you get down to the microscopic level the world starts looking unreal. I'm not forcing you to believe, I'm only saying there are actual reasons for believing we could be in a simulation, whereas comparing the universe to locomotives was unfounded.


--------------------
"The State is a soulless machine, it can never be weaned from violence to which it owes its very existence"." ~Mahatma Ghandi



“It is through separation that you will win: no representatives, and no candidates!”
― Pierre-Joseph Proudhon


Edited by STPLSD25 (12/11/20 08:30 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleredgreenvines
irregular verb
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,532
Re: Interesting debate between physicists on whether there is a simulated universe or not [Re: InnerWisdom]
    #27083639 - 12/11/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

in other threads, philosopher shroomies seem to be questioning existence, as well as locus of consciousness, awareness, presence, ego, subconscious, mycelial networks, concentration, attention, orders or reality and simulation/dreams etc.

My wife and I were watching My Octopus Teacher on Netflix



this has stimulated a fair amount of thinking and conversation about consciousness and intelligence, curiosity, play, etc.

As with most things, the questions you ask are worth so much more than the answers.

Questions open things up.


--------------------
:confused: _ :brainfart:🧠  _ :finger:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblelaughingdog
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 03/14/04
Posts: 4,828
Re: Interesting debate between physicists on whether there is a simulated universe or not [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #27084129 - 12/11/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

DividedQuantum said:
David Bohm called your knots "fragmentation." And he pointed out that wherever there is fragmentation, we can be sure it was put there by a human.




.  Some people like to say there are no straight lines in nature,
I guess they either never saw a sunbeam or a crystal.

.  Others like to say there are 360º in a circle, & 60 minutes in an hour,
I guess they never heard of the Babylonians, or number bases.

Others wonder if numbers are real,
and others differentiate between matter and energy,
as if the 2 could ever be separated,...
so i wonder can mind & number be separated?
can mind & body be separated?
can body & universe be separated?
and therefore can mind and universe be separated?
and therefore can universe  and number be separated?
and therefore can number, math, and universe be separated?

.  Hence the question many have posed as to whether or not math is a human invention, seems a dualistic question to me, and it is the failure to realize this, that keeps many , who are not Taoist in spirit to keep pondering the question, even though many who have opined on the subject are far smarter than I am, like for example Roger Penrose; IMO.

.  It seems all of human thought, is based on artificial distinctions, and this is fine as long as we remember this. While  also realizing that one aspect of the impersonal process of continuous manifestation or creation, is to produce life and death, and mind and artificial distinctions, seemingly out of emptiness.
.  Just as the quantum physicist say virtual particles arise and vanish, nano-second by nano-second in a "vacuum". Seems we forget physics borders on the non-sensical & miraculous, even without  invoking theories like "the big bang", 'dark energy & dark matter', string theory, and so on.
.  So in the end, it seems to me the question is just another aspect of the ego's unconscious assumption that the subliminal separation it feels from the rest of the universe is real.
.  If I remember correctly quantum physicists sometimes say something like: actually words like 'electrons', 'particles', & 'waves', are only words we use when talking to laymen, actually without equations that can't be visualized, there can be no deeper understanding.
.  And the equations severely limit what can be known about any particular electron - (if there even is such a 'thing'), and about all electrons (and elementary particles).
.  Sounds sort of like the Tao. Of which it was said long ago that it cannot be grasped, and that this point may be worth grokking.

.  Rather than this overly long post it might well have been much simpler just to ask:
"... and are humans a human invention?"


Edited by laughingdog (12/11/20 03:11 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOutsideOfMyMind
LSD Self Administrative Director
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/05/20
Posts: 5,383
Last seen: 3 hours, 14 minutes
Re: Interesting debate between physicists on whether there is a simulated universe or not [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27084147 - 12/11/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I believe the universe does work in binary but it is not like a computer. There is no off/on/reboot "switch." If there is a switch, it might be gravity itself or the big bang that sort of turned everything "on."


--------------------



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOutsideOfMyMind
LSD Self Administrative Director
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/05/20
Posts: 5,383
Last seen: 3 hours, 14 minutes
Re: Interesting debate between physicists on whether there is a simulated universe or not [Re: laughingdog]
    #27084163 - 12/11/20 03:25 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You bring up an interesting topic of straight lines not existing. I would agree because we don't live in a linear universe. We live in a finite universe. Even if it is not infinite it is still finite. I would probably say that straight lines only exist for artists, architects, designers, engineers, and any other person in any similar creative or technical industry. And it is only a matter of perspective. From an artist's perspective, he can draw a straight line with a graphite pencil. From a molecules perspective, there are no lines, only spinning and vibrating energy called carbon, held together by attraction or gravity or some physical or chemical force. A straight line is just a bunch of graphite molecules (or paint molecules) put together on paper but molecularly it is not straight at all.


--------------------



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepineninja
Dream Weaver
 User Gallery


Registered: 08/17/14
Posts: 12,468
Loc: South Flag
Re: Interesting debate between physicists on whether there is a simulated universe or not [Re: laughingdog]
    #27084168 - 12/11/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

laughingdog said:
Quote:

DividedQuantum said:
David Bohm called your knots "fragmentation." And he pointed out that wherever there is fragmentation, we can be sure it was put there by a human.




.  Some people like to say there are no straight lines in nature,
I guess they either never saw a sunbeam or a crystal.

.  Others like to say there are 360º in a circle, & 60 minutes in an hour,
I guess they never heard of the Babylonians, or number bases.

Others wonder if numbers are real,
and others differentiate between matter and energy,
as if the 2 could ever be separated,...
so i wonder can mind & number be separated?
can mind & body be separated?
can body & universe be separated?
and therefore can mind and universe be separated?
and therefore can universe  and number be separated?
and therefore can number, math, and universe be separated?

.  Hence the question many have posed as to whether or not math is a human invention, seems a dualistic question to me, and it is the failure to realize this, that keeps many , who are not Taoist in spirit to keep pondering the question, even though many who have opined on the subject are far smarter than I am, like for example Roger Penrose; IMO.

.  It seems all of human thought, is based on artificial distinctions, and this is fine as long as we remember this. While  also realizing that one aspect of the impersonal process of continuous manifestation or creation, is to produce life and death, and mind and artificial distinctions, seemingly out of emptiness.
.  Just as the quantum physicist say virtual particles arise and vanish, nano-second by nano-second in a "vacuum". Seems we forget physics borders on the non-sensical & miraculous, even without  invoking theories like "the big bang", 'dark energy & dark matter', string theory, and so on.
.  So in the end, it seems to me the question is just another aspect of the ego's unconscious assumption that the subliminal separation it feels from the rest of the universe is real.
.  If I remember correctly quantum physicists sometimes say something like: actually words like 'electrons', 'particles', & 'waves', are only words we use when talking to laymen, actually without equations that can't be visualized, there can be no deeper understanding.
.  And the equations severely limit what can be known about any particular electron - (if there even is such a 'thing'), and about all electrons (and elementary particles).
.  Sounds sort of like the Tao. Of which it was said long ago that it cannot be grasped, and that this point may be worth grokking.

.  Rather than this overly long post it might well have been much simpler just to ask:
"... and are humans a human invention?"





The sunbeam is straight relative to what?


--------------------
Just a fool on the hill.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOutsideOfMyMind
LSD Self Administrative Director
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/05/20
Posts: 5,383
Last seen: 3 hours, 14 minutes
Re: Interesting debate between physicists on whether there is a simulated universe or not [Re: pineninja]
    #27084174 - 12/11/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Exactly my question. Sun beams are made out of photons and x-rays and other kind of radiation. All of those things are not straight lines in the slightest.

The nature of reality is perspective. This is what one of my good metalhead friends told me when we were talking about psychedelic concepts.


--------------------



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblelaughingdog
Stranger
 User Gallery
Registered: 03/14/04
Posts: 4,828
Re: Interesting debate between physicists on whether there is a simulated universe or not [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27084469 - 12/11/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

.  Wow you guys, found one point ( straight lines) to pick an argument about, took it out of context, missed the main issue, and now feel clever, and expect someone else, to take a similar diversion, and entertain you with a pointless debate, on a subject extraneous to the thread.

Actually it may very well happen in this forum, but "it a'nit me babe".


Edited by laughingdog (12/11/20 06:08 PM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOutsideOfMyMind
LSD Self Administrative Director
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/05/20
Posts: 5,383
Last seen: 3 hours, 14 minutes
Re: Interesting debate between physicists on whether there is a simulated universe or not [Re: laughingdog]
    #27084554 - 12/11/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

This is a debate, not an argument.


--------------------



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleDividedQuantumM
Outer Head
Male User Gallery

Registered: 12/06/13
Posts: 9,818
Re: Interesting debate between physicists on whether there is a simulated universe or not [Re: laughingdog] * 1
    #27084633 - 12/11/20 07:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

laughingdog said:
Quote:

DividedQuantum said:
David Bohm called your knots "fragmentation." And he pointed out that wherever there is fragmentation, we can be sure it was put there by a human.




.  Some people like to say there are no straight lines in nature,
I guess they either never saw a sunbeam or a crystal.

.  Others like to say there are 360º in a circle, & 60 minutes in an hour,
I guess they never heard of the Babylonians, or number bases.

Others wonder if numbers are real,
and others differentiate between matter and energy,
as if the 2 could ever be separated,...
so i wonder can mind & number be separated?
can mind & body be separated?
can body & universe be separated?
and therefore can mind and universe be separated?
and therefore can universe  and number be separated?
and therefore can number, math, and universe be separated?

.  Hence the question many have posed as to whether or not math is a human invention, seems a dualistic question to me, and it is the failure to realize this, that keeps many , who are not Taoist in spirit to keep pondering the question, even though many who have opined on the subject are far smarter than I am, like for example Roger Penrose; IMO.

.  It seems all of human thought, is based on artificial distinctions, and this is fine as long as we remember this. While  also realizing that one aspect of the impersonal process of continuous manifestation or creation, is to produce life and death, and mind and artificial distinctions, seemingly out of emptiness.
.  Just as the quantum physicist say virtual particles arise and vanish, nano-second by nano-second in a "vacuum". Seems we forget physics borders on the non-sensical & miraculous, even without  invoking theories like "the big bang", 'dark energy & dark matter', string theory, and so on.
.  So in the end, it seems to me the question is just another aspect of the ego's unconscious assumption that the subliminal separation it feels from the rest of the universe is real.
.  If I remember correctly quantum physicists sometimes say something like: actually words like 'electrons', 'particles', & 'waves', are only words we use when talking to laymen, actually without equations that can't be visualized, there can be no deeper understanding.
.  And the equations severely limit what can be known about any particular electron - (if there even is such a 'thing'), and about all electrons (and elementary particles).
.  Sounds sort of like the Tao. Of which it was said long ago that it cannot be grasped, and that this point may be worth grokking.

.  Rather than this overly long post it might well have been much simpler just to ask:
"... and are humans a human invention?"






David Bohm also said that all of reality is undivided wholeness in flowing movement, so that would be quite apropos of your post as well. (Which was excellent).


--------------------
Vi Veri Universum Vivus Vici


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOutsideOfMyMind
LSD Self Administrative Director
Male User Gallery


Registered: 10/05/20
Posts: 5,383
Last seen: 3 hours, 14 minutes
Re: Interesting debate between physicists on whether there is a simulated universe or not [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #27084647 - 12/11/20 07:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It's all about the gravity waves.


--------------------



Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisiblepineninja
Dream Weaver
 User Gallery


Registered: 08/17/14
Posts: 12,468
Loc: South Flag
Re: Interesting debate between physicists on whether there is a simulated universe or not [Re: laughingdog]
    #27084708 - 12/11/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

laughingdog said:
.  Wow you guys, found one point ( straight lines) to pick an argument about, took it out of context, missed the main issue, and now feel clever, and expect someone else, to take a similar diversion, and entertain you with a pointless debate, on a subject extraneous to the thread.

Actually it may very well happen in this forum, but "it a'nit me babe".




You prefaced your post with something I would like to talk about.

Sorry for "diverting" you or your thread.

It won't happen again.


--------------------
Just a fool on the hill.


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleFerdinando
Male

Registered: 11/15/09
Posts: 3,664
Re: Interesting debate between physicists on whether there is a simulated universe or not [Re: pineninja]
    #27084937 - 12/12/20 01:41 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

rgv I highly recommend singapore sulawesi and tioman for you a vacation
singapore has an island it's very special


--------------------
with our love with our love we could save the world


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleFerdinando
Male

Registered: 11/15/09
Posts: 3,664
Re: Interesting debate between physicists on whether there is a simulated universe or not [Re: Ferdinando]
    #27084941 - 12/12/20 01:43 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

some of the best television I've seen anti-time robber
is that a ...!?


--------------------
with our love with our love we could save the world


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineOuterbass
Stranger
Registered: 12/16/20
Posts: 80
Last seen: 2 years, 10 months
Re: Interesting debate between physicists on whether there is a simulated universe or not [Re: Ferdinando] * 1
    #27098278 - 12/19/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The way this is being discussed even if this is not a simulation it would still be a simulation, and vice versa.


Edited by Outerbass (12/20/20 02:23 AM)


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleredgreenvines
irregular verb
 User Gallery

Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,532
Re: Interesting debate between physicists on whether there is a simulated universe or not [Re: Ferdinando]
    #27098815 - 12/20/20 06:16 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Ferdinando said:
rgv I highly recommend singapore sulawesi and tioman for you a vacation
singapore has an island it's very special



sure would be nice, but I only go where I can avoid nuts and beans for my wife's allergy.

too much soy sauce everywhere! she would die!


--------------------
:confused: _ :brainfart:🧠  _ :finger:


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleFerdinando
Male

Registered: 11/15/09
Posts: 3,664
Re: Interesting debate between physicists on whether there is a simulated universe or not [Re: redgreenvines]
    #27099260 - 12/20/20 12:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

hehe sure and good luck to me with cleaning up my garden!...

found golden artist acrylic just having it enhances one's like and supports one if only all had a badge like 16 tubes

it affects the time deliciously

and when one adds water almost none can be used like it costs nothing pretty much!


--------------------
with our love with our love we could save the world


Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | Next >  [ show all ]

Shop: Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* An interesting ritual...?.....
( 1 2 3 all )
Anonymous 4,467 52 09/10/02 04:15 PM
by buttonion
* Simulated coded reality...
( 1 2 all )
theshiftingwalls 2,046 25 09/12/03 09:22 AM
by HidingInPlainSight
* For any Christians who may have an interest in converting... *DELETED*
( 1 2 3 all )
OkEyToKeY 4,660 51 01/14/04 06:53 AM
by cybrbeast
* AI: the simulation objection Sclorch 1,487 10 10/20/02 09:16 AM
by Nomad
* The existance of Satan and Hell (a debate) Spiffy 1,894 10 05/04/03 11:39 PM
by Deiymiyan
* Reality being a simulation
( 1 2 all )
poke smot! 1,806 23 11/02/05 03:16 PM
by Mushy_face
* scientist say it is very possible we are all a computer simulation
( 1 2 all )
kaiowas 2,347 23 11/15/05 09:15 PM
by Droz
* Poor Debating Technique
( 1 2 all )
Swami 2,542 33 03/24/03 07:50 AM
by GazzBut

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Middleman, DividedQuantum
1,570 topic views. 0 members, 11 guests and 2 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.033 seconds spending 0.01 seconds on 15 queries.