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My universe vs yours..?
    #27044814 - 11/18/20 03:34 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

What in the name of God is the difference in us?

Each social character is an actor!

So we come to the idea that everythin is within my consciousness.

And there is nothing wrong with that.

The purpose of consciousness is to direct flow of movement.

But when morals are in question, one asks, what's wrong with the good old ultra violence.. because I can guarantee that a nightmare will follow follow that type of belief.

When you cannot control an area of existence you must admit.. that perhaps some one is out there that can be made of existence too.. To be made of existence like in a machine..

But machines always want efficiency.

The question that begs..?

Are their other controllers in existence. And what and why they are doing anything?

She exists within he? He exists within her?

To the sort of things..

Each one of us can be 100% efficient in our choices and decisions.


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Re: My universe vs yours..? [Re: BrendanFlock] * 1
    #27044955 - 11/18/20 06:55 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I am you and you are me.
We are the Universe
The Ocean in two drops.
Lets be kind to each other.
Let us dance in the sky
you and me
until with the Ocean
We reunite.


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Re: My universe vs yours..? [Re: Asante]
    #27046071 - 11/18/20 06:22 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Beautiful poetry..

Sharing a dance and each others experiences!


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Re: My universe vs yours..? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27046354 - 11/18/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Solipsism ends when you realize or experience that theres another controller..

Some type of will that isn't your own..


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Re: My universe vs yours..? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27046782 - 11/19/20 06:15 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

What I'm saying is not Solipsism. At all.

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Solipsism (/ˈsɒlɪpsɪzəm/ (About this soundlisten); from Latin solus 'alone', and ipse 'self')[1] is the philosophical idea that only one's mind is sure to exist. As an epistemological position, solipsism holds that knowledge of anything outside one's own mind is unsure; the external world and other minds cannot be known and might not exist outside the mind.




What I'm saying is that we are all pieces of the Oneness that existed pre-Big Bang and that each of us, including every grain of sand on Mars, has the totality of everything within it.

There are very many of us, 10100000 of us, but we are all guises of the same Oneness that spawned us 13.8 billion years ago.

That puts a galaxy on equal footing with a single atom and makes everything the center of its own universe, with a greater universe enclosing it.

The only thing separating us from the Oneness that was 13.8 billion years ago is the eruption of spacetime which goes faster and faster untill every building block is ripped to pieces (Big Rip)  and only the Void that is 1, remains. From there it implodes and a new Big Bang emerges.

Light, subatomic particles, human beings, galaxies, all a foam made from the same bubble of Void.


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Re: My universe vs yours..? [Re: Asante]
    #27048214 - 11/20/20 12:00 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Asante said:
What I'm saying is not Solipsism. At all.

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Solipsism (/ˈsɒlɪpsɪzəm/ (About this soundlisten); from Latin solus 'alone', and ipse 'self')[1] is the philosophical idea that only one's mind is sure to exist. As an epistemological position, solipsism holds that knowledge of anything outside one's own mind is unsure; the external world and other minds cannot be known and might not exist outside the mind.




What I'm saying is that we are all pieces of the Oneness that existed pre-Big Bang and that each of us, including every grain of sand on Mars, has the totality of everything within it.

There are very many of us, 10100000 of us, but we are all guises of the same Oneness that spawned us 13.8 billion years ago.

That puts a galaxy on equal footing with a single atom and makes everything the center of its own universe, with a greater universe enclosing it.

The only thing separating us from the Oneness that was 13.8 billion years ago is the eruption of spacetime which goes faster and faster untill every building block is ripped to pieces (Big Rip)  and only the Void that is 1, remains. From there it implodes and a new Big Bang emerges.

Light, subatomic particles, human beings, galaxies, all a foam made from the same bubble of Void.




This forum is obsessed with solipsism and misinterpreting what that means/everyone has a preconceived idea of it that isn't rational, not that it's a rational position anyway LOL.

Great post, Asante!


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Re: My universe vs yours..? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27048231 - 11/20/20 12:16 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe it should be asked what influence we have on each other?

To the precise decimals please..!

This is the reality we live in.

We don't fully understand the consequences of our actions..

Or we do not understand the effects we have on each other..

The whole butterfly trick..


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Re: My universe vs yours..? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27048241 - 11/20/20 12:30 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Maybe it should be asked what influence we have on each other?

To the precise decimals please..!

This is the reality we live in.

We don't fully understand the consequences of our actions..

Or we do not understand the effects we have on each other..

The whole butterfly trick..




Cause and effect are lower level irrationalities that the physical/materialist mind is obsessed with, as proof of these forums, that somehow also supposedly contain people that have had life-changing trips (not aiming this at you dude, just a generality), yet still can't see past the illusion/irrationality of cause and effect models of "the universe".

Cause and effect are mutually exclusive ideas…that is, what is the cause cannot also, simultaneously, be the effect; and what is effect cannot also be the cause.  Each notion has an absolute definition which must remain consistent in order for “cause and effect” to have any meaning in the first place.  At the same time each notion depends on the other for its value and relevancy.  What this means is that the cause is not actually a cause without an effect.  There is no such thing as a cause with no effect, by definition; and the converse is also true.  So, in other words, each notion obtains its value and meaning as a direct function of the other.

The lower mind is the irrational mind obsessed with process, and then accepting contradiction as explanation while ignoring/at the expense of higher awareness.


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Re: My universe vs yours..? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27059705 - 11/27/20 07:03 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

yeah and possibly good results good point

I like to think of it as being in a psychiatric hospital

in the chair

at the work situation

and the bad sound or bad touch response

we get to understand more and more

and more and more truthfully

it is beautiful and awesome

with bad sound etc. response I mean you don't want bad sound or bad touch

hahaha

of course we must do better

not running away

and working more


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Re: My universe vs yours..? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27062295 - 11/28/20 11:36 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Ultimately me vs you etc. is a false premise based on the assumption that separation is real.

Psychs have shown us this isn't the case IMHO.


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Re: My universe vs yours..? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27062343 - 11/29/20 01:10 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Well the question isn't why do we compete with each other..

It is why is competing an actual fun thing..


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Re: My universe vs yours..? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27062908 - 11/29/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Solipsism ends when you realize or experience that theres another controller..

Some type of will that isn't your own..



Its still all happening in my consciousness. This screen of experience is the only reality I have evidence for, anything beyond it is a belief.


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Re: My universe vs yours..? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27062918 - 11/29/20 12:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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BrendanFlock said:
Well the question isn't why do we compete with each other..

It is why is competing an actual fun thing..




:thinker:
The competition aspect has its relation to evolution, it's inherent in us to compete at a biological level, whether we realize it or not. Maybe a literal example of the saying: nice guys finish last


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Re: My universe vs yours..? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27063876 - 11/30/20 01:08 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Well the question isn't why do we compete with each other..

It is why is competing an actual fun thing..




"VS" implied separation not my team against yours, that's all.

Separation is the only actual "illusion" taking place. Solipsism is incorrect and freewill being an illusion is also incorrect. These are buffered by the opening question to this thread.

Given that context it's precisely what you're talking about, lol.


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Re: My universe vs yours..? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27067314 - 12/01/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Our physical bodies are filters of light that experience emotions. Our brains hallucinate our conscious reality based on past biases. 



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Re: My universe vs yours..? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27069161 - 12/02/20 11:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Our physical bodies are filters of light that experience emotions. Our brains hallucinate our conscious reality based on past biases. 






I agree with the first assertion.

I'd tweak the latter if we agree hallucinations are as valid as waking consciousness would be for learning, like McKenna said. Such a simple point that academics straw man, lol "Well you use drugs of course you have insights you're hallucinating!" as if that equates to delusion.

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Re: My universe vs yours..? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27073984 - 12/05/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So my final assertions are:

We are in our own universes..

And we interact via a multi-universe.. or otherwise a multiverse..


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Re: My universe vs yours..? [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27074475 - 12/06/20 01:36 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

If by universes you mean consciousness(es), which, when experienced as we are right now - is the illusion of separation of SELF and OTHER - then I'm inclined to agree!

Ultimately semantics for consciousness being the absolute constant from which all experience is a function OF.


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Re: My universe vs yours..? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #27074480 - 12/06/20 01:43 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Consciousness has to be the ultimate fractal. It is infinitely infinite and just keeps going deeper and deeper the further you go.


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Re: My universe vs yours..? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27074501 - 12/06/20 02:16 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Consciousness has to be the ultimate fractal. It is infinitely infinite and just keeps going deeper and deeper the further you go.




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