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Fear of windows tyranny, looking to start on linux
    #27067232 - 12/01/20 09:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Can i get some ideas on where a beginner can start with what version? I tried in the past to install ubuntu using a usb but failed and then another version via straight download link and install onto a new ssd and failed again.


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Re: Fear of windows tyranny, looking to start on linux [Re: Anahata]
    #27067394 - 12/01/20 11:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Ubuntu is relatively user friendly and well-documented, making it an obvious place to start. What went wrong with your installation?


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Re: Fear of windows tyranny, looking to start on linux [Re: koraks]
    #27069022 - 12/02/20 09:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

im not totally sure, it just didnt recognize that anything was there. I downloaded the file from a seemingly legit website, i tried to burn it to disk didnt work and usb didnt work.


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Re: Fear of windows tyranny, looking to start on linux [Re: Anahata]
    #27069031 - 12/02/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

whats the distro that came out a year or two ago that had a lot of attention due to its familiarity to windows style platform making it easy for window users to transfor over to?


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Re: Fear of windows tyranny, looking to start on linux [Re: Anahata]
    #27069325 - 12/03/20 05:36 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Not sure what happened when you tried to install Linux. I have done it multiple times with different distros. You can't just copy the file to a disk, you have to make a ISO, or it won't boot. If using a usb drive, it needs to be made bootable with a program like Rufus.


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Re: Fear of windows tyranny, looking to start on linux [Re: mycomyst]
    #27071951 - 12/04/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Ya that's what i did i downloaded rufus and made a iso and put it on a usb. I couldnt get it to boot or recognize.


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Re: Fear of windows tyranny, looking to start on linux [Re: Anahata]
    #27072804 - 12/05/20 12:36 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

You may have to go into the BIOS setup during startup and change the device boot order so it tries USB before any other device (such as a hdd/sdd).

Alternatively you can simply start the Ubuntu setup while in Windows; it'll do the first stage right from the Windows desktop and then reboot into the Linux install.


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Re: Fear of windows tyranny, looking to start on linux [Re: koraks]
    #27072999 - 12/05/20 06:38 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I start out selecting the boot device (escape key or f12 key or whichever key is specified by the manufacture). Sometimes the boot priority or csm/leagacy setting does have to be changed in bios. Koraks said 'Alternatively you can simply start the Ubuntu setup while in Windows; it'll do the first stage right from the Windows desktop and then reboot into the Linux install." I didn't know that, thank you for the info!


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Re: Fear of windows tyranny, looking to start on linux [Re: mycomyst]
    #27073145 - 12/05/20 08:48 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Real men do a Gentoo minimal installation and then never maintain their system.  :naughty:


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Re: Fear of windows tyranny, looking to start on linux [Re: chibiabos]
    #27079497 - 12/08/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

? what? gentoo install? please drop some of that knowledge.


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Re: Fear of windows tyranny, looking to start on linux [Re: Anahata]
    #27079712 - 12/08/20 11:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Try out Ubuntu first.  It will be way less frustrating.


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Re: Fear of windows tyranny, looking to start on linux [Re: Anahata]
    #27083583 - 12/11/20 08:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Gentoo is a power user distro.  It doesn't have pretty GUI installers or auto do shit for you.  IMO, one the best ways to ACTUALLY learn linux is to do it form the core tools.  Learning the hard way how to fdisk and create partitions for example is a big deal with linux administration, but something ubuntu will do for you with a menu and you will never learn how it really works. 

Generally with *nix (both unix and linux) the closer to core command line stuff you learn how to use, the better.  The 'easier' you make it on yourself at the start the exponentially longer time you will spend mastering it and understanding how to fix problems.


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Re: Fear of windows tyranny, looking to start on linux [Re: mndfreeze]
    #27086778 - 12/13/20 06:11 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, I learned a lot about driver troubleshooting with linux. Mostly I learned to solve problems that didn't occur with windows in the first place. The net balance in gains for using linux was way negative for me; I loose much less time with windows shoveling the shit that results from hardware manufacturers not really committing to linux combined with the lack of stability in software interfaces throughout linux distros and updates. I also quite disliked the neverending and massive amount of updates that ubuntu liked to do which is excessive compared to even Microsoft standards.


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Re: Fear of windows tyranny, looking to start on linux [Re: mndfreeze]
    #27086939 - 12/13/20 08:50 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Gentoo is a power user distro.  It doesn't have pretty GUI installers or auto do shit for you.  IMO, one the best ways to ACTUALLY learn linux is to do it form the core tools.  Learning the hard way how to fdisk and create partitions for example is a big deal with linux administration, but something ubuntu will do for you with a menu and you will never learn how it really works. 

Generally with *nix (both unix and linux) the closer to core command line stuff you learn how to use, the better.  The 'easier' you make it on yourself at the start the exponentially longer time you will spend mastering it and understanding how to fix problems.



Gentoo seems kind of BSDish compared to Linux on that account, to be honest.


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Re: Fear of windows tyranny, looking to start on linux [Re: chibiabos]
    #27087500 - 12/13/20 03:55 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I used gentoo for about six months. I had too many issues, it sucked.
I don't want to spend that much time fucking with it. I miss os/2. I used arch before that
now I got manjaro, which is basically arch.


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Re: Fear of windows tyranny, looking to start on linux [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #27087985 - 12/13/20 09:13 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I had an easier time with Gentoo than Arch to be honest.  Gentoo has better documentation and support imo.


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Re: Fear of windows tyranny, looking to start on linux [Re: chibiabos]
    #27088305 - 12/14/20 06:47 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I like freebsd for servers.


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Re: Fear of windows tyranny, looking to start on linux [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #27088394 - 12/14/20 08:39 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

K.  I think he's just talking about a personal computer though, in which case Ubuntu is a fine place to start. :shrug:

Or OpenSUSE or whatever floats his boat.


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Re: Fear of windows tyranny, looking to start on linux [Re: chibiabos]
    #27090368 - 12/15/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I like Qubes OS. That's a Fedora based distribution heavily using virtualization (might a bit be picky about the hardware it has to run on, but X and T series Thinkpads are well supported) to run everything sand boxed in VMs. Of course this needs more memory than other distros. Installing on a SSD is highly recommended. Also there's Whonix integrated. So you can force your network traffic transparently through Tor or access hidden services securely.


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Re: Fear of windows tyranny, looking to start on linux [Re: chibiabos]
    #27090394 - 12/15/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

mndfreeze said:
Gentoo is a power user distro.  It doesn't have pretty GUI installers or auto do shit for you.  IMO, one the best ways to ACTUALLY learn linux is to do it form the core tools.  Learning the hard way how to fdisk and create partitions for example is a big deal with linux administration, but something ubuntu will do for you with a menu and you will never learn how it really works. 

Generally with *nix (both unix and linux) the closer to core command line stuff you learn how to use, the better.  The 'easier' you make it on yourself at the start the exponentially longer time you will spend mastering it and understanding how to fix problems.



Gentoo seems kind of BSDish compared to Linux on that account, to be honest.




Part of what I like about it.  I like its knock off version of the ports tree.

I also like how its still a from source distro.  Never been a fan of RPM or other precompiled packages because they always lead to some dumb ass dependency nightmare.

With Gentoo you configure your world variables to say what packages you definitely do NOT want (I'm looking at you X11!) and if you install something that may share libraries with it, it only grabs the libraries itself.  Unlike say redhat, where you want to install ncftp command line, but it shares some dumb ass single library file also found in X11, so RPM decides to satisfy that dependency it needs to install x11 and all the other related garbage too it.

I also like being able to fine tune it to specific arch, cut out any and all excess bullshit and run a single command to recompile my entire OS in one go if I want.  It makes for great server performance and helps with security having minimal excess unknowns on your system.  It's not good for enterprise level stuff of course though.  I'd never run it in anything but a small farm of servers.  Maintaining it would be too cumbersome on a large scale.


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