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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: feevers] * 1
    #27065111 - 11/30/20 05:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I’ve said it before but my wife works for a major hospital and during flu season they can go weeks with only seeing one or two patients who have the flu. When the pandemic first hit here they had to open up a COVID-specific ward and they had 400 people on it, with another 100 in their COVID-specific ICU. No one there had ever seen anything even close to that. More than 200 staff members were infected so they couldn’t come to work, some died. Had the effects of the shutdowns not caught up it would’ve been so much more of a blood bath than it was, which was already extremely bad.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: feevers]
    #27065113 - 11/30/20 05:44 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I guess i was under the impression a shit ton of covid deaths were being mis labeled

Had a lot of different people from different walks of life talk about it

From family to coworkers to people working in hospitals




There was a conspiracy theory in the beginning that deaths were being mislabeled because hospitals were being paid extra for COVID deaths. In reality the CARES act gives hospitals a 20% rate increase for treatment if someone is admitted with a positive COVID test, which was designed to cover the additional costs of segregating them, as well as the PPE and training for staff, and the fact that lots of hospitals were required to stop most of their profitable elective procedures and were losing money fast. So someone needs a medical history of admittance with a positive test and COVID-specific treatment to even qualify for the 20%, nothing extra is given for deaths. To fake even one death would require an epic amount of fraud from testing labs, doctors, admin staff, nurses etc, and the profit would be far less than a million other types of fraud that are way less risky. Medicare’s reimbursement rates are awful and the 20% add-on is capped, so on many COVID patients hospitals are actually losing money.

The other conspiracy theory started when Elon Musk went on the Joe Rogan podcast saying the numbers were so high because people who had COVID were getting hit by cars and being counted as COVID deaths and things like that. That’s not how cause of death works, although in a country of 350 million people there were probably some instances where mistakes were made and it did happen. Some epidemiologist did the math and the odds of someone dying from a deadly pandemic virus, at the exact 7-14 days(avg) that said deadly pandemic virus was actually active in their system, but their death was not due to the virus, would end up only altering the death count by like a hundred people even if that was actually how cause of death worked, which it isn’t.




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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: koods]
    #27065116 - 11/30/20 05:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Trumps covid point man Scott Atlas just resigned


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: koods]
    #27065750 - 12/01/20 04:07 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Da' fuck do you get banned after only 4 posts??


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27066559 - 12/01/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Here in RI we had an alert yesterday that all hospital ICU's were at full capacity.  That has never happened from the flu except probably the second wave of the 1917-1918 H1N1 influenza.  Very scary to think if I need to go the ICU and it's not covid, I'm probably gonna be on a be in a corridor, or in section of the hospital not equipped for IC and under doctors and nurses not trained for intensive care.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Ice9]
    #27066628 - 12/01/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Why is there light outside right now if the sun didn't come up today :strokebeard:?


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: morrowasted]
    #27066684 - 12/01/20 04:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah that shit is a bit scary and wild..

Guess you gotta put your health first and hope it pans out in your favor eh..

Humans been through some fucking shit. Guess we still going through it


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind] * 1
    #27066710 - 12/01/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Da' fuck do you get banned after only 4 posts??




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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Ice9]
    #27066716 - 12/01/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Here in RI we had an alert yesterday that all hospital ICU's were at full capacity.  That has never happened from the flu except probably the second wave of the 1917-1918 H1N1 influenza.  Very scary to think if I need to go the ICU and it's not covid, I'm probably gonna be on a be in a corridor, or in section of the hospital not equipped for IC and under doctors and nurses not trained for intensive care.




I'm not scheduled to be working with COVID patients until April but I'm doing rotations at a psych hospital in RI starting in late Dec or early Jan, they're already talking about flipping wings of the facility to be mild/moderate COVID wings if the need arises, which is looking probable. This shit is pretty wild, these nurses have been jamming haldol into schizophrenics for decades they're gonna be re-learing everything as they go, I don't even think this place even has doctors other than psychiatrists lol Idk where they'll be bringing staff in from.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: feevers]
    #27066742 - 12/01/20 04:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

most likely they will use the newly opened units with untrained staff as "death" units


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: morrowasted]
    #27066785 - 12/01/20 05:12 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah my friend is a pharmacist in a critical care unit here in Providence, said it has been absolutely fucking wild, and incredibly frustrating and upsetting.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Ice9]
    #27066826 - 12/01/20 05:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Here in RI we had an alert yesterday that all hospital ICU's were at full capacity.  That has never happened from the flu except probably the second wave of the 1917-1918 H1N1 influenza.  Very scary to think if I need to go the ICU and it's not covid, I'm probably gonna be on a be in a corridor, or in section of the hospital not equipped for IC and under doctors and nurses not trained for intensive care.



You should try calling some of the smaller hospitals around you and asking them how full their ICU units are. It is usually only the bigger more popular hospitals in the bigger cities that are filled to capacity where the smaller ones are less popular so more people don't go there. Back in March and April when everyone was panicking I called a few hospitals in my local area. Literally all of the smaller hospitals did not have any covid-19 cases whereas the bigger ones in the big cities refused to give me any information whatsoever about how many covid-19 patients were in the hospital.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: morrowasted]
    #27066874 - 12/01/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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most likely they will use the newly opened units with untrained staff as "death" units




Well there’s something to look forward to.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: feevers]
    #27066880 - 12/01/20 06:17 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So all the full icu units how many of those people actually needed it ?

I know quite a few people who have had covid. At least 10. None went to the hospital and they all recovered.

I hear so much different info from one end of the spectrum to the next that it makes ot hard to know wtf is really going on

Is it just me whos confused as shit?


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Enkidu] * 1
    #27066895 - 12/01/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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So all the full icu units how many of those people actually needed it ?

I know quite a few people who have had covid. At least 10. None went to the hospital and they all recovered.

I hear so much different info from one end of the spectrum to the next that it makes ot hard to know wtf is really going on

Is it just me whos confused as shit?



It's pretty simple. There's a virus going around, and getting it is like playing russian roulette. most of the people who play it are fine, but when enough people play it someone dies. Why certain people die isn't totally clear yet. When you're already sick in a lot of other ways that's obvious problem, but there are a few people here and there who are quite healthy that die of COVID.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27066908 - 12/01/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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So all the full icu units how many of those people actually needed it ?

I know quite a few people who have had covid. At least 10. None went to the hospital and they all recovered.

I hear so much different info from one end of the spectrum to the next that it makes ot hard to know wtf is really going on

Is it just me whos confused as shit?



Most hospitals adhere to a pretty standardized criteria of what qualifies for ICU care and what doesn’t.

40% of this country is obese, 70% is overweight, 50 million are elderly, tens of millions with diabetes and other conditions... those risk factors make up the bulk of COVID icu patients but there’s also no shortage of younger and previously healthy people mixed in as well.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27066921 - 12/01/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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So all the full icu units how many of those people actually needed it ?

I know quite a few people who have had covid. At least 10. None went to the hospital and they all recovered.

I hear so much different info from one end of the spectrum to the next that it makes ot hard to know wtf is really going on

Is it just me whos confused as shit?




10 is too small a sample for something like a disease to get any useful data from. 
What is going on, is that we are in the midst of a pandemic.  The rate of people who test positive is going up in many, many areas.  The majority of those people will be fine, if a little a sick.  There also exists asymptomatic carriers, current rule of thumb best guestimate on modelling taken from positivity test rates is that 5 to 8 asymptomatic carriers exist for every symptomatic positive.  Some symptomatic people, including children, toddlers, and young adults with no comorbidities will get very ill, some will die despite doctors best efforts including formerly young, healthy people.
    The rate at which people are getting sick with this is going up, we are averaging over 150k+ new positives daily.  This has been going on for about a week and it is trending upwards (bad).  Deaths are a lagging indicator, meaning this months spike we won't see the deaths from it till mid to late december.

Edit: whoops I meant to say 40% to 50% of positives will be asymptomatic, the 5-8 is the number of covid that don't get tested and thus are not counted putting the number of people in the US infected or previously infected at around 100M


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Ice9]
    #27067184 - 12/01/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I sincerely appreciate all of you taling tine to respond to my post

Just to keep in mind, one of the people i know who had covid was fine, headaches (had a few others the same thing) barelt noticed. His cousin had a bad fever for 5 days before it broke and he was fine. A guy they do work for is very large, maybe obese, diabetes, smokes, emphysema i believe, he got covid and recovered. Idk if he was in the hospital. A friend, his girlfriend's parents both got it and both were in the hospital. Both recovered i think one has some issues still. Another friend had bad aches and fever for a while before it broke.

I know other people as well and these people know people as well. All of these people are in a different city as me and idk many people around where im at who have had it etc.

I am not making any claim and im not trying to argue about things because i really dont know much about what is truly going on.

I guess im just saying this has been my personal exposure and experience to base shit off.

I forgot to mention my uncle who is in his late 50's or early 60's who went to a funeral and him and all his cousins/lots of his family got covid, they are older, and they all recovered.

Again, not making a single claim. Just trying to understand whats going on. And all i have to go off is the media, hear say, and my personal experience/exposure. None of which makes it easy for me to truly grasp what is going on.

If anything, it at least seems to spread easier than the flu and/or cause worse symptoms... Idk.

Yeah idk. I was at a point convinced it was a load of bullshit but now i am more feeling like ok, exercise caution and be smart without allowing fear to cause stress and worry beyond what is healthy.

To be quite honest i still dont know what to make of what is going on. Hopefully i am not being naive or foolish. I am just stubborn and trust my own eyes and experience even when it has many times forced me to learn shit the hard way, ya know?

Especially when i do not for one second trust our government, im paranoid as fuck, and got conspiracy theories everywhere i turn being thrown in my face that i cant necessarily say i dont think could happen


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27067189 - 12/01/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So considering everything going on i mean where does that leave us with decision making?

Where do you go from here then

Exercise caution and do your best to survive through this both physical and economic hardship?

Work and save your money and bunker down?


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Enkidu] * 2
    #27067249 - 12/01/20 09:22 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

There is a vaccine coming soon. It will work really, really well. It will be available to you by June at the latest at no cost. Until you get it, stay away from bars and gyms and parties and sporting events and concerts and such. Wear a mask and practice good hand hygiene when doing essential things like going to work or buying food.


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