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Misting schedule for shoebox?
    #27054721 - 11/24/20 12:41 AM (3 months, 1 day ago)

Hi folks.
On my first shoebox!
I’ve been receiving some advice and I’ve found my substrate is too dry and I should be having water beads evaporating off my surface for a good pinning trigger.
However, after neglecting them for a bit and now learning that they need a bit more work than just set and forget, I’m wondering what’s the best way to dial into a shoebox without messing with it a bunch?
Maybe a 3 times a day misting schedule?
Make sure everything is beading and evaporating three times a day? That way I don’t overdo my misting and get puddles?
As a beginner cultivator, I’d love to hear some opinions!
I don’t think this post needs pics but if anyone needs some let me know.
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Re: Misting schedule for shoebox? [Re: MushroomNewbie2] * 1
    #27054956 - 11/24/20 07:42 AM (3 months, 18 hours ago)

Pics alway help.

You can’t mist on a schedule. You only mist when the substrate is drying out. My environment is different than yours, my substrate hydration is different than yours, so if I told you I mist twice a day, that may or may not work for you, and I don’t mist shoeboxes. I check in on them. If you find the sub dry each time you look at it, mist, then check in with them more often. If things look good, leave them be.

How did you prep your sub? I think most find that if sub is properly hydrated, shoeboxes really are maintenance free.

Check this thread.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053/fpart/1/vc/1

Also remember you won’t have beads of moisture on the top until the mycelium has colonized the surface. I find first timers usually keep things too wet, and a little too wet is worse than a little too dry.


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Re: Misting schedule for shoebox? [Re: RoscoeReturns]
    #27054984 - 11/24/20 08:44 AM (3 months, 17 hours ago)

:whathesaid:

There are ways to make shoeboxes "set and forget".

But, because unmodded shoeboxes are more dependent on the environment outside than modded ones, learning to "dial" it in your environment is important.

What is your set-up like? Do you have a dub-tub or just the lid cracked? And what is the temperature/humidity of the room that the grow is in?

But, as stated above, misting never happens on a schedule. If it needs to be misted, you mist. Otherwise you let it be. It takes some getting used to.


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Re: Misting schedule for shoebox? [Re: RoscoeReturns]
    #27055153 - 11/24/20 11:15 AM (3 months, 15 hours ago)

Here’s a few pics that will give you a better idea, thank you for the advice :smile:
I just misted half an hour ago.

That last one is a monotub/shoebox thing I made out of a SGFC with a lot of tape.
Thanks for that thread!
Very useful to see those images.
And good to remember I won’t have any beads until that surface is colonized.
I prepped my coir to field capacity. It probably wasn’t just below field capacity, because when I squeezed it some drops came out. But it wasn’t like a river.
I forget my exact measurements, but I followed some good  tek to a T :smile:
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Re: Misting schedule for shoebox? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #27055156 - 11/24/20 11:18 AM (3 months, 15 hours ago)


71-74 degrees usually.
40-50% humidity.
Just have left the lid unlatched for now.
Should I crack it?
I won’t mist on a schedule, only when it looks like when my sub needs it :smile:
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Re: Misting schedule for shoebox? [Re: MushroomNewbie2]
    #27055174 - 11/24/20 11:30 AM (3 months, 15 hours ago)

Sometimes hard to judge from photos because of the lighting.

Get some photos closer to your surface.

Here's a picture of my PES Hawaiian from last week (before I harvested)



If you look at the areas with myc, you'll see beads on the surface.

And you'll see my coir is much darker than yours. The more hydrated coir is, the darker it looks. Dry coir has a much lighter brown color than hydrated/wet coir.

From the pictures, your coir looks of a lighter brown in the first two pictures.

Did you add a light casing layer of coir and, if so, was that coir well hydrated?

Nothing in your pictures indicates your surface being too dry, but take pictures closer to the surface so we can get a clearer idea.

You can leave the lids latched on or, if it needs more fae, simply flip it over (you should see slight cracks on all sides if you flip it over).

I believe I posted this before but here's a link to the "set and forget" tek https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=2&Number=26009662&fpart=&PHPSESSID=

You can see how, even leaving the lid on (just unlatched) the mushrooms had plenty of air and grew well.


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Re: Misting schedule for shoebox? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #27055212 - 11/24/20 11:46 AM (3 months, 14 hours ago)

Here’s a closer pic:


I hate how my phone takes pics when it gets zoomed in or too close to a surface :frown:
No primordia yet obviously but I’m sure it’s coming sometime :smile:
Great tek, and clearly plenty of FAE even with it latched.
You show a good point with the coir.
I may have under done my coir hydration (though when I did it I actually thought it was too wet at first!), but when I did my casing of coir, I soaked it down with my mist bottle just like in the tek you linked.
On a FAE note:
I’ve heard fuzziness is a sign of more FAE needed, is this true?
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Re: Misting schedule for shoebox? [Re: MushroomNewbie2]
    #27055270 - 11/24/20 12:12 PM (3 months, 14 hours ago)

Your coir looks like it has a lot more straw like pieces than mine. It looks fine to me but, because you have a bit of a different kind of coir than me, I'd wait for an opinion from someone more knowledgable.

But I went back and looked at a bunch of pictures from TC's and more experienced growers and it seems the shades of coir can vary a bit based on the coir used. So the lighter appearance of your coir might be perfectly normal.

I didn't mist my grows once, just as in that tek, and they had a great first flush (Both my PE and by PES Hawaiian). But, I'm not too knowledgable on coir itself so I don't know if different type of coir holds water better or worse.

I'd say, give it time. If you gave that top casing a good soak as in that TEK, unless you introduced tons of FAE, you shouldn't need to mist at all. But watch the surface. Definitely don't over-mist. Stagnant water leads to many problems. A little on the dryer side will be ok so long as they have a proper micro-climate. Too wet will be a breeding ground for contams.

And in reference to fuzzy feet, it seems TC's are a bit split on why it happens. Here's what Bod (a TC) had to say

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bodhisatta said:
I personally don't think fuzzy feat has really much to do with FAE at all. Open air grows get fuzzy feet. There's different kinds too. Most of the time it looks like the mycelium is trying to make extra surface area to evaporate off excess moisture at least that's my guess. But ive seem grows in bags without fuzzy feet and grows open air with. So the FAE thing doesn't really add up for me. 




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Re: Misting schedule for shoebox? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #27055280 - 11/24/20 12:19 PM (3 months, 14 hours ago)

It kinda looks dry to me but like he said coir can vary. I would say give it a decent mist since i'm not seeing much surface signs of moisture. You just don't wanna go nuts trying to get it dark by hitting it heavy & often and cause the myc to mat.


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Re: Misting schedule for shoebox? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #27055472 - 11/24/20 02:35 PM (3 months, 12 hours ago)

Part of me wants to latch my lid to be just like that one tek but I feel that then I’ll just end up with too much condensation possibly?
I don’t think I introduced too much FAE, but that’s why I’m debating latching the lid to make sure I’m not tempted to introduce too much or more is getting in than I want to.
I’ll definitely give it time.
It’s only been a week since spawn.
It’s time to put on my patience hat and eat some turkey this week.
Also yes, I love Bod. I’ll take his word on the fuzzy feet :smile:
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Re: Misting schedule for shoebox? [Re: LtLurker]
    #27055474 - 11/24/20 02:37 PM (3 months, 12 hours ago)

Ended up misting a bit, I saw some light brown bits on top show up and I think that means that it got a bit too dry, so I gave it a light but decent misting to not mat the lovely mycelium still colonizing.
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Re: Misting schedule for shoebox? [Re: MushroomNewbie2]
    #27055478 - 11/24/20 02:41 PM (3 months, 11 hours ago)

Leave the lid on and make sure it isn't raining down on them from lid condensation. 

Otherwise,

Quote:

MushroomNewbie2 said:
It’s time to put on my patience hat




:goodday:


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Re: Misting schedule for shoebox? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #27055642 - 11/24/20 04:44 PM (3 months, 9 hours ago)

Just wiped some condensation off the lid because they were giant beads...
Now the lid is closed and it’s the waiting game!
Cheers and thanks so much for your assistance.
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Re: Misting schedule for shoebox? [Re: MushroomNewbie2]
    #27055774 - 11/24/20 05:58 PM (3 months, 8 hours ago)

Id try to set yourself up so you only have to mist once a day or so


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Re: Misting schedule for shoebox? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27056200 - 11/24/20 10:35 PM (3 months, 4 hours ago)

Totally. I’ll dial into my conditions and try for once a day misting.
I think I’m overthinking this thing at only 7 days.
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Re: Misting schedule for shoebox? [Re: MushroomNewbie2]
    #27064566 - 11/30/20 02:50 PM (2 months, 25 days ago)

How's it looking?


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Re: Misting schedule for shoebox? [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #27064664 - 11/30/20 03:32 PM (2 months, 25 days ago)

Looking pretty awesome for a 1:3 ratio and probably not enough spawn used. This is 13 days in :smile:
Pins and a fair amount of primordia!




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Re: Misting schedule for shoebox? [Re: MushroomNewbie2]
    #27065884 - 12/01/20 09:30 AM (2 months, 24 days ago)

:fuckyeah:

Congrats!!

I see that fast boi in your last picture, outgrowing the rest!

After all of my brf to bulk grows, I've learned that, at least for me personally, 1:1 or, at most, 1:2 is the best ratio. But if it works for you, keep it going!

Make sure to post a picture once they mature so we may celebrate your initiation!


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Re: Misting schedule for shoebox? [Re: Socrateshroom] * 1
    #27066133 - 12/01/20 01:20 PM (2 months, 24 days ago)

Yeah the fast boi keeps growing up :smile:
I’m thinking I’m gonna go 1:2 my next go around.
Unfortunately today I see I’ve got a lot of side pins too.
Next time I’ll dial into my surface conditions better :smile:
And I’ll be sure to post harvest pics.
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