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The closer your to God, the harder it gets
    #27066057 - 12/01/20 10:35 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think that statement is 100% true, based on personal experience.


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Re: The closer your to God, the harder it gets [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #27066058 - 12/01/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

How so?


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Re: The closer your to God, the harder it gets [Re: Hartford]
    #27066061 - 12/01/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I speak based on 20 years of spiritual practises and doing "great work"


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Re: The closer your to God, the harder it gets [Re: Gypsy Boy] * 1
    #27066076 - 12/01/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You gotta be wise as serpents and innocent as doves or you do get devoured.


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Re: The closer your to God, the harder it gets [Re: Hartford] * 1
    #27066078 - 12/01/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: The closer your to God, the harder it gets [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #27066087 - 12/01/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

All roads lead to Rome :crankey:


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Re: The closer your to God, the harder it gets [Re: Gypsy Boy] * 2
    #27079888 - 12/09/20 04:14 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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The closer your to God, the harder it gets

I think that statement is 100% true, based on personal experience.




You bet, fully agreed. He tests those nearest, hardest.


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Re: The closer your to God, the harder it gets [Re: Asante] * 1
    #27080075 - 12/09/20 08:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Tests? No its not that.


Its more like people who take God lightly get easy tasks. Middle men who work for God get medium difficulty tasks.

And those closests to God get the heaviest of all :shrug:


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Re: The closer your to God, the harder it gets [Re: Gypsy Boy]
    #27080359 - 12/09/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

People who arrive first aren't rewarded more handsomely than people who arrive last, but there's no reason for the environment to be any more difficult, if you look for opportunities to be lead out of temptation.


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Re: The closer your to God, the harder it gets [Re: Hartford]
    #27080657 - 12/09/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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People who arrive first aren't rewarded more handsomely than people who arrive last, but there's no reason for the environment to be any more difficult, if you look for opportunities to be lead out of temptation.




What do you mean by "opportunities to lead you out of temptation"? is the environment gonna give you passes sometimes and not others? aren't we really supposed to be working with an integral and balanced maturity to work our way's through each environment and action (as to be functualy/successful in our workings), and not so much as depend on particular opportunities for special (one-time-only) passes?

Or am I being too philosophical at approaching this?


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Re: The closer your to God, the harder it gets [Re: Asante]
    #27080685 - 12/09/20 03:27 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

Gypsy Boy said:

The closer your to God, the harder it gets

I think that statement is 100% true, based on personal experience.




You bet, fully agreed. He tests those nearest, hardest.




yes that can be true at times, sometimes the challenges get harder the more we develop, not easier. but on the plus side there are perks too :laugh:


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Re: The closer your to God, the harder it gets [Re: deff]
    #27080697 - 12/09/20 03:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

The Lord's prayer goes "And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil", but if you pass up the opportunities to be lead out of temptation when they arise, it might seem like you're being put through a difficult situation when you're really not.


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Re: The closer your to God, the harder it gets [Re: Hartford] * 1
    #27080715 - 12/09/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

there are many paths and many schools

within the Bible, if that is one's chosen path, there is the story of Job who certainly had a difficult life

as much as it goes against our wishes, I do feel we are tested and molded by experience, and that this can become more challenging as we progress, much like a black belt degree is harder to earn than a yellow belt.

but everyone has their own path :smile: and we can only understand what we ourselves have experienced.


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    #27080736 - 12/09/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

On one hand I think being closer to god is more difficult because it might command you away from earthly desire but on the other hand being closer to god is a certain anchor in self justification.  For example you have the zealous priest who has renounced earthly passion (difficult) but leads a wholesome existence (easy)


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Re: The closer your to God, the harder it gets [Re: Hartford]
    #27081425 - 12/10/20 01:13 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Hartford said:
The Lord's prayer goes "And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil", but if you pass up the opportunities to be lead out of temptation when they arise, it might seem like you're being put through a difficult situation when you're really not.




This is a lucid point!


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Re: The closer your to God, the harder it gets [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 1
    #27081451 - 12/10/20 01:56 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

God is both the All-Merciful and seemingly void of any mercy.

The world seems so boundlessly cruel, if you lack the perspective of an Eternal Life, where inbetween lives are fully restored and replenished beyond measure.

What you are forced to invest in suffering, starving child with worms in its eyes, shall be richly compensated in the hereafter.

Earthly suffering and generosity are hard currency on the Other Side.

the further the pendulum swings to one side it will have to swing to the other side to finally equalize into the Neutrality of being One with Everything.

If you surround yourself with gratuitous luxuries such as a golden toilet, in a world where people are forced to feed water dirtier than what you flush to their children because they have nothing, if you surround yourself with gratuitous luxury but don't practice charity, do not use part of that wealth to help out those in need, including nature itself, if you have every ability to do Good but omit doing so or even choose to do wicked acts, pointing the finger at the pharma cartel greatly for-profit increasing the price of insulin in the USA as an example of wickedness woe! woe! woe! to you in the hereafter, because instead of the wealth the poor and wretches gathered, you will have a great debt awaiting you.

The universe is exacting in its honest weights and measures, no matter how cold the ice or hot the steam - it shall return exactly to room temperature, and so will it be with your good works and evil works.

One could say that Jesus brought the Heart of God and Islam brought the hand of God.

Let this hand grip you and even Christians will recognize that the truth is in there, in the words of the God of Ibrahim/Abraham and Nuh/Noah.





There is a balance, an order in the Universe, one direction, entropy, that it all flows to, like a clockwork of cosmological constants and their governing laws of interaction, even staunch scientific atheists will agree.


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Re: The closer your to God, the harder it gets [Re: Gypsy Boy] * 2
    #27081477 - 12/10/20 02:17 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Tests? No its not that.


Its more like people who take God lightly get easy tasks. Middle men who work for God get medium difficulty tasks.

And those closests to God get the heaviest of all :shrug:





God can do it all without us.

The obstacles in your life, such as my infected leg wound that now has me almost screaming out in pain at this moment, because the diluted bleach is eating its way into it to destroy the resistant microorganisms that the antibiotic cannot catch, consider the obstancles, your hardships and difficulties, consider them TESTS to TEACH YOU.

God gives us hard tasks that in the end will break either our mind or just our bodies, that in the end will break us in two - not to punish us or to torture us out of some sadistic inclination, but for our betterment.

If you heat the red earth enough, Iron will flow out, If you reheat that iron and beat it over and over with a hammer you beat out the impurities and hardened steel remains.

Such is the intent of our suffering, I tell you as I squirm in agony as the desinfectant gnaws at my inflamed wound, squirm so I dont scream out to worry my neighbors.

God is with me in this, and he gave me the wound, the prediabetic state that makes it not heal, the nauseating antibiotic and the gnawing desinfectant, all that torture me greatly. And I know it is He and only He that delivers the stabs that make me startle and brace, it is he, figuratively, jabbing His finger in the wound he made.

If you know this and THEN love God, you are not a fair weather friend of His but serious about your faith.

God is teaching us, is raising us into a squence leading up to full Godhood. And then you must know pain as well as love, then you must have felt fear and doubt as well as faith and hope.

We are drops of that Oceam, and we are ALL THAT.

We are child forms of the Almighty, grpowing up and reuniting with all aspects until we have become the Totality of Everything.

Thats worth some discomfort.

The body is a Temple but Temples are meant to be used up until the very foundations.


Life's an obstacle course and these obstacles teach us and make us more Whole.


The closer you are to God, the less he will spare you the rod, but the greater your reward in the hereafter.

OUCH!

Amen!



And don't worry, I already bought the pain free povidone-iodine to follow up on the initial diluted bleach desinfection with modified Dakin's solution, invented during world war 1 to irrigate war wounds contaminated with the mud of Flanders and residual mustard gas. I'm gonna be OK.


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Re: The closer your to God, the harder it gets [Re: Asante]
    #27083363 - 12/11/20 02:07 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

People like Sebastian.

Into out of looks regards..

Iron ore is a statement on how high I can lift somebody..

Ruby Pearl.. is an 8con to me..

And I have the will to danve!


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    #27083374 - 12/11/20 02:15 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I have divine will, everything is sublime..

Angels of the holocaust..

34rd degree is the righteous degree of eternity..!


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Re: The closer your to God, the harder it gets [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #27083465 - 12/11/20 05:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Dont u mean 34th


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Re: The closer your to God, the harder it gets [Re: Gypsy Boy] * 2
    #27084353 - 12/11/20 05:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

A person I know regularly reminds me that God uses fire (trials) to make us stronger and remove impurities as well.  Just like like a sword is forged and gold is purified.  I'd agree that the closer you are the harder it (can) get, but at the same time one becomes more able to cope with the heavier load through the process.


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Re: The closer your to God, the harder it gets [Re: blessed]
    #27084493 - 12/11/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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A person I know regularly reminds me that God uses fire (trials) to make us stronger and remove impurities as well.  Just like like a sword is forged and gold is purified.  I'd agree that the closer you are the harder it (can) get, but at the same time one becomes more able to cope with the heavier load through the process.




yes that sounds good to me :thumbup: :smile:


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Re: The closer your to God, the harder it gets [Re: Asante]
    #27086749 - 12/13/20 05:42 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

i'd like to think of the body as a vessel rather than a temple

admittedly this only came to mind because of a line in this King Gizzard song:



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    #27109928 - 12/27/20 12:56 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Why not both?

If anything, dichotomous thinking is lower dimensional and limiting to true source.


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Re: The closer your to God, the harder it gets [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 1
    #27110587 - 12/27/20 11:34 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

"getting closer to god" is diminishing the "Me" in oneself for the sake of opening a space for god. The process of diminishing "ascending" is difficult for the ego but while the baby cries for milk, the mother craves to breastfeed.

So you are not doing it all alone, there is always help for the eyes that watches.


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    #27111512 - 12/28/20 12:41 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You just said the same thing I said above, more poetically.

The union of the higher mind/infinite intelligence/subconscious with the lower mind/intellect/conscious, with minimal resistance to the whole which supersedes it.

Having a weak lower mind begets a weak signal from those higher centers.


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    #27111574 - 12/28/20 02:35 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So is all this trouble just for the purposes of correct alignment in a spiritual sense?


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