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Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? 1
#27064555 - 11/30/20 12:46 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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2.1 million die per year of natural or accidental causes, why is this common cold virus not altering this number, why doesnt the math add up to it being any worse then the common cold?
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Shiva thedestroyer] 1
#27064586 - 11/30/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Because the natural or accidental causes number is actually 167,127. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/accidental-injury.htm
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Ima Trooper]
#27064685 - 11/30/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: feevers] 1
#27064805 - 11/30/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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US mortality is up 17% this year. More people have already died in 2020 than have in any other year and we’re still in November.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: feevers] 1
#27064806 - 11/30/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Same thing in Finland, Sweden etc. All around the world.
But if these lockdowns etc. measures to keep society semi closed continue we are going to see spike in other reasons of death because normal treatment has not been on the level it should be. Dental care for example, Blood poisoning and heart attack being common deaths caused by issues with rotten tooth.
Not mentioning the toll on mental health of people. Increased substance abuse. Inceresed violence in homes etc. Small business going bankcrupt.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Ima Trooper]
#27064822 - 11/30/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ima Trooper said: Because the natural or accidental causes number is actually 167,127. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/accidental-injury.htm
That is not total deaths. That is deaths per injury.
"All unintentional injury deaths
Number of deaths: 167,127 Deaths per 100,000 population: 51.1 Cause of death rank: 3"
From your link.
You should look at total deaths per year if you want to compare total death toll of this year to other years.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: koods] 1
#27064829 - 11/30/20 02:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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OP just google “cdc excess deaths” and all the data you need is there. They break down deaths by state, by cause every week of the year.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: koods] 1
#27064840 - 11/30/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Too late, already banned. Someone's puppet apparently.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: koods] 1
#27064858 - 11/30/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Either way valid point.
In Finland for example influenza caused more deaths last year than corona this year.
And there is active vaccine program against influensa.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: LeningradCowboy] 1
#27064869 - 11/30/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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LeningradCowboy said: Either way valid point.
In Finland for example influenza caused more deaths last year than corona this year.
And there is active vaccine program against influensa.
That's wild. Here in the US, influenza killed 59,120 people in 2018. So far this year Covid-19 has killed 274,050 people in the US, and it's going up faster than when it started.
India has surpassed Brazil as #2 in cases and from what I know about India (not a lot) I'd say they are going to get super fucked.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Ima Trooper] 1
#27065006 - 11/30/20 04:48 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks to masks and social distancing the flu will kill almost nobody this year
Since the beginning of flu season (sept 27) 128,000 flu tests have been performed with only 72 positive cases.
Turns out public health measures for covid have vanquished the flu. Almost all respiratory viruses are no longer circulating in the population. If you get sick now it’s almost guaranteed to be covid
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: koods] 4
#27065012 - 11/30/20 04:52 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Or the flu counts are just being labeled as covid
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Enkidu] 1
#27065024 - 11/30/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: koods]
#27065025 - 11/30/20 04:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Enkidu] 1
#27065067 - 11/30/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's wild. Here in the US, influenza killed 59,120 people in 2018. So far this year Covid-19 has killed 274,050 people in the US, and it's going up faster than when it started.
India has surpassed Brazil as #2 in cases and from what I know about India (not a lot) I'd say they are going to get super fucked.
Technically the flu only kills between 3,000-15,500 if it was counted the way COVID deaths are counted, by test-confirmed deaths. There are many, many more unconfirmed COVID deaths, the two people I know who died of it actually weren’t counted as COVID deaths because they were both testing negative and out of the hospital when the covid-pneumonia finished them off. Many of the people who died at home, in many nursing homes, or who die of indirect complications weren’t/aren’t being counted as COVID deaths. The 60k flu number that people often quote is literally just a CDC estimate based upon an algorithm that assumes worst-case scenario, which the conspiracy theorists who now claim flu deaths are being counted as COVID deaths used to say was inflated for the reason of pushing more vaccines. When a similar method of estimating is ultimately created for COVID to account for the non-test-confirmed deaths, the number will be far higher.
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Enkidu said: Or the flu counts are just being labeled as covid
Doesn’t work that way.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: feevers]
#27065075 - 11/30/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I guess i was under the impression a shit ton of covid deaths were being mis labeled
Had a lot of different people from different walks of life talk about it
From family to coworkers to people working in hospitals
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Enkidu]
#27065098 - 11/30/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fevers is correct. Flu deaths up until this year gernerally are not laboratory confirmed. Flu deaths are deaths caused by any ILI (influenza like illness). The number of actual PCR confirmed flu deaths number in the low thousands per year.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Enkidu] 1
#27065102 - 11/30/20 05:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: I guess i was under the impression a shit ton of covid deaths were being mis labeled
Had a lot of different people from different walks of life talk about it
From family to coworkers to people working in hospitals
There was a conspiracy theory in the beginning that deaths were being mislabeled because hospitals were being paid extra for COVID deaths. In reality the CARES act gives hospitals a 20% rate increase for treatment if someone is admitted with a positive COVID test, which was designed to cover the additional costs of segregating them, as well as the PPE and training for staff, and the fact that lots of hospitals were required to stop most of their profitable elective procedures and were losing money fast. So someone needs a medical history of admittance with a positive test and COVID-specific treatment to even qualify for the 20%, nothing extra is given for deaths. To fake even one death would require an epic amount of fraud from testing labs, doctors, admin staff, nurses etc, and the profit would be far less than a million other types of fraud that are way less risky. Medicare’s reimbursement rates are awful and the 20% add-on is capped, so on many COVID patients hospitals are actually losing money.
The other conspiracy theory started when Elon Musk went on the Joe Rogan podcast saying the numbers were so high because people who had COVID were getting hit by cars and being counted as COVID deaths and things like that. That’s not how cause of death works, although in a country of 350 million people there were probably some instances where mistakes were made and it did happen. Some epidemiologist did the math and the odds of someone dying from a deadly pandemic virus, at the exact 7-14 days(avg) that said deadly pandemic virus was actually active in their system, but their death was not due to the virus, would end up only altering the death count by like a hundred people even if that was actually how cause of death worked, which it isn’t.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: feevers]
#27065109 - 11/30/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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See i never know what the hell to believe because one source tells me A then the other source tells me B
Thats why i prefer to just mind my own damn business and try to focus on my own life ya know
Idk wtf is going on out there in this crazy ass world of ours
Just want some land and a house so i can try and be as self sustainable as possible snd let the world do whatever the hell it is doing
Guess until some great need calls for me like a war on our soil
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