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How to Ingest Oral DMT With Homemade Rue Powder?
#27064714 - 11/30/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm Evaporating on gram of fumarate as we speak, after years of diminishing returns with oral freebase. I've always wanted the ayahuasca experience, but kept chucking up too fast; how much rue powder ought I try per trip? I've done 200mgs in the past to bad results, and wondered if it was a tolerance, psychological, or something else, such as a tiny bit of DMT entering my rue, and messing me up when I ingest the DMT around twenty minutes later.
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Re: How to Ingest Oral DMT With Homemade Rue Powder? [Re: Noitartst]
#27064901 - 11/30/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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bump
Not sure myself, but maybe another forumite may have some wisdom to share.
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Re: How to Ingest Oral DMT With Homemade Rue Powder? [Re: ch0ppie]
#27064966 - 11/30/20 04:15 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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"Bump"? Asin a Rue dosage increase?
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Re: How to Ingest Oral DMT With Homemade Rue Powder? [Re: Noitartst]
#27065001 - 11/30/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Rue seed dosage, 3 to 4.5 grams, usually 3 to 3.5 grams. Rue extract/purified Harmalas, 180 to 185mgs, up to 200mgs, usually 180 to 185mgs is just right for me personally. DMT Fumarate dosage i have no idea, as i use the DMT-containing plants Mimosa and Acacia, but the DMT Nexus forums state - "Oral DMT dosages vary extremely from person to person. Some people are overwhelmed with as little as 30-40mg. Others need 200mg+. In general: Low: 20-50mg, mid: 50-100mg, strong: 100-150mg", so start low, and work your way up.
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Re: How to Ingest Oral DMT With Homemade Rue Powder? [Re: Sabnock] 1
#27065193 - 11/30/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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IIRC, people who ingest straight rue do something in the realm of 3g-5g. Pretty sure most are closer to the 3g area.
Here's an idea: since rue is fairly easy to come by, practice taking the rue on its own a few times to be sure you understand it. Doing so will make it your combined experience much less prone to failure.
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Re: How to Ingest Oral DMT With Homemade Rue Powder? [Re: LeafRaker]
#27065476 - 11/30/20 09:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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And don't forget to bake the rue seeds for about 18 minutes at 350F before using-- gets most of the bad chems out of it and makes it far easier to stomach-- smells good too...
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Re: How to Ingest Oral DMT With Homemade Rue Powder? [Re: coAsTal]
#27066965 - 12/01/20 06:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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For extracted Rue, I think I'm to go with over 300mgs. May that be overkill, but I've had bad success with 200mgs rue extract, and am thus goin larger, though I hope not so much that the Rue will counteract the DMT. WIll it?
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Re: How to Ingest Oral DMT With Homemade Rue Powder? [Re: Noitartst]
#27067142 - 12/01/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Careful mate, 300mgs of Rue extract is quite a dose, you don't wanna take too much and end up projectile vomiting and having powerful gut contractions like i did the time i took too much lol. I don't remember the dosage specifically but i remember it was a tincture that i filled up 2 capsules with and made the mistake of taking the second one thinking the first one wasn't kicking in, that was some strong shit, but manageable lol.
May i ask what all you mean by you've had bad success/results with 200mgs of Rue extract?
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Re: How to Ingest Oral DMT With Homemade Rue Powder? [Re: Sabnock] 1
#27069145 - 12/02/20 11:42 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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for harmine extract, 160 mg is just right for me, though i think thats chloride salt, not fumarate. with fumarate you might need a tiny bit more, so 180 mg might sound right. 300 mg sounds like way too much lol, you're gonna puke for sure.
if you want to avoid nausea, you can always take some dramamine (motion sickness medication) an hour before dosing with the extract to help. unless you go for a real heroic dose of rue extract, are taking the raw seeds, or are taking a huge dose of DMT, it should be enough to avoid nausea. if you do one of those things, you may or may not get nausea enough to puke regardless.
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Re: How to Ingest Oral DMT With Homemade Rue Powder? [Re: Sabnock]
#27069251 - 12/03/20 02:55 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sabnock said: Careful mate, 300mgs of Rue extract is quite a dose, you don't wanna take too much and end up projectile vomiting and having powerful gut contractions like i did the time i took too much lol. I don't remember the dosage specifically but i remember it was a tincture that i filled up 2 capsules with and made the mistake of taking the second one thinking the first one wasn't kicking in, that was some strong shit, but manageable lol.
May i ask what all you mean by you've had bad success/results with 200mgs of Rue extract?
Took 300mgs of Rue last night to activate 450mgs of DMT fumarate, successfully. Tonight, I took 210mgs or so to activate over 300mgs DMT fumarate unsuccessfully; I dunno if it even activated--I would think I'd feel a bigger stomach ache if it did. Did I wait too long between ingesting the rue and the DMT? Could I accidentally have ingested a little DMT with the rue short circuiting the process? What coulda occurred?
Sabnock. What I mean by "success" Is that I took 200mgs to activate an oral DMT trip. I have done tripping since 2011, by the way.
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Re: How to Ingest Oral DMT With Homemade Rue Powder? [Re: Noitartst] 1
#27069258 - 12/03/20 03:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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you should wait about an hour after ingesting the rue and the dmt fumarate - and that's honestly too much fumarate. i'd half that dosage at the least. you really don't need more than 140 mg if that to skyrocket. if you're needing more, then you're probably not getting enough rue, which suggests to me you're not having a very pure harmine extract.
what form is this in for the rue powder? the 160 mg is for harmine extract in about 98% pure form or so - if it's not that pure, you're going to need more, obviously. 3 grams is for the pure seed, roughly. (ground up) if your rue powder is just ground up rue seeds, without any purification, that's roughly how much you're going to need to get full inhibition. otherwise you're going to need large amounts of dmt to even get any noticable effects at all, and it's going to be a fairly short trip compared to the typical duration. (3-7 hours)
oddly enough, i've noticed that dmt seems to last longer AND stronger when when you've eaten fairly recently, like a couple hours before starting with the dosing. doing so on an empty stomach tends to result in a shorter trip of 2-3 hours or so, that i've noticed, before the effects start to fade. this is in contrast to other psychedelics, where taking them on a recently full stomach seems to prolong a trips duration but weaken its potency.
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Re: How to Ingest Oral DMT With Homemade Rue Powder? [Re: Psion]
#27071065 - 12/04/20 01:40 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well, my harmine extract powder was from seeds was harvested by myself; I dunno how pure it is, but I only did one round of straining, with no reprocessing, if that gives you an idea of its purity, but last night was TERRIBLE trip--virtually NO visuals. I need more powder, I guess.
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Re: How to Ingest Oral DMT With Homemade Rue Powder? [Re: Noitartst]
#27071074 - 12/04/20 01:49 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah, sounds like you're not getting full inhibition here. without that, you're just basically throwing your dmt down the biological drain. to get an idea of full inhibition, i personally notice a sight increase in tinnitus when i reach that stage after about an hour, with a bit too much leading to things like visual tracers (if you wave your hand in front of your face at a leisurely speed and it leaves ghostly afterimages of itself for a half second, that's the idea i mean), that's a bit too much.
if you're getting that but even stronger, and every slight movement is leaving afterimages and making you feel like you're on a rocking boat and you're wanting to puke and oh GOD WHY DID YOU TAKE SO MUCH...that's definitely too much rue extract. what makes things even trickier is that dosing yourself multiple days with rue leads to reverse tolerance, where you need a bit less after a while to get the same effect. not a lot less, but still, something to keep in mind - after a week of daily dosing you might need say, 2.5 grams of ground up rue seed instead of 3 grams to get the same effect (for an example.) it does tend to lead to less negative side effects though, possibly due to less dosage required. i'm not sure if that is still full inhibition though, or just the positive "mood boosting" effects that stays full potency despite the lower dosage.
i'm guessing you might want to slowly experiment with slowly increasing daily dosages with your rue extract and figure out how much is needed for full inhibition before you try tripping again. just be sure to wait a day between dosages, and try not to ramp up the amounts too high each time - believe me, a rue trip is survivable, but not fun. i know this by experience. <_< it involves hours on hours of lying in the dark, trying not to move even your eyeballs, praying for it to end, and every tiny movement causing nausea, LOL. maybe have some dramamine ready in case that happens, like i didn't. 
regardless, the max dosage of your rue extract shouldn't be higher than 3 grams for sure, as that's how much raw seed is needed for max inhibition. if your extract isn't working even then...i'm guessing you did something wrong with your rue extraction. but if it really is an extraction, it should be less than this.
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Re: How to Ingest Oral DMT With Homemade Rue Powder? [Re: Psion]
#27071269 - 12/04/20 06:21 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is gold. As I've said before: Rue is relatively easy to come by, you should practice with it on its own and be sure you understand it and its effects on your body before incorporating any tryptamines.
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Re: How to Ingest Oral DMT With Homemade Rue Powder? [Re: LeafRaker] 1
#27072357 - 12/04/20 06:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Please allow me to insert a PSA here for harm reduction purposes-- don't EVER mix rue/harmalas/MAOI's with anti-depressants, amphetamines, and a lot of other things FOUND HERE
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Re: How to Ingest Oral DMT With Homemade Rue Powder? [Re: coAsTal]
#27072506 - 12/04/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Absolutely. Everyone even considering consuming Rue should read up on it and understand the side effects and potential interactions.
If I use harmalas or Rue, it's with no medications other than tryptamines and after at least 24 hours of fasting and with 36 or so hours of fasting after.
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Re: How to Ingest Oral DMT With Homemade Rue Powder? [Re: Noitartst]
#27072793 - 12/05/20 12:22 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Noitartst said: I'm Evaporating on gram of fumarate as we speak, after years of diminishing returns with oral freebase. I've always wanted the ayahuasca experience, but kept chucking up too fast; how much rue powder ought I try per trip? I've done 200mgs in the past to bad results, and wondered if it was a tolerance, psychological, or something else, such as a tiny bit of DMT entering my rue, and messing me up when I ingest the DMT around twenty minutes later.
You only wait 20 minutes? I thought it was 45 minutes to an hour?
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