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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: LeningradCowboy]
#27071344 - 12/04/20 07:41 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mandatory vaccine law is all ready in action in my country.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: feevers] 3
#27071386 - 12/04/20 08:13 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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feevers said: Someone sued McDonalds because their coffee was hot.
That's true, but the story behind it is actually really interesting. That case has been used specifically as propaganda by corporations to help keep them from getting sued.
The basic facts were that the woman admitted the spill was her fault, but the coffee WAS much, much too hot, essentially just under boiling. She received 3rd degree burns and required skin grafts. She only sued for her medical expenses because she couldn't afford them and McDonalds had already received over 700 complaints of people injuring themselves with the coffee but refused to lower the temperature it was served at.
In response to being sued for her medical bills, ($20,000) Mcdonalds offered $800.
A judge and jury actually decided the payment amount of over $2 million to teach McDonald's a lesson.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Enkidu] 1
#27071441 - 12/04/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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feevers said: Someone sued McDonalds because their coffee was hot.
Lmfao 
Think theyll make vaccines mandatory ?
Some people seem to think there are nano chips and stuff in there to track us or something
Obviously i am not saying i agree with this but just curious what the experts say
Once it's accessible it'll be mandatory at all healthcare jobs, a ton of other jobs, college, and possibly schools once it's proven safe in children. The WHO is already considering encouraging countries to require vaccination for travel... so I think most people will end up getting it whether they want to or not.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: feevers] 1
#27071452 - 12/04/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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That doesnt scare or worry you ?
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Enkidu]
#27071455 - 12/04/20 09:19 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I missed some of those ither comments i cant keep up with the thread
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Ima Trooper]
#27071460 - 12/04/20 09:23 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ima Trooper said:
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feevers said: Someone sued McDonalds because their coffee was hot.
That's true, but the story behind it is actually really interesting. That case has been used specifically as propaganda by corporations to help keep them from getting sued.
The basic facts were that the woman admitted the spill was her fault, but the coffee WAS much, much too hot, essentially just under boiling. She received 3rd degree burns and required skin grafts. She only sued for her medical expenses because she couldn't afford them and McDonalds had already received over 700 complaints of people injuring themselves with the coffee but refused to lower the temperature it was served at.
In response to being sued for her medical bills, ($20,000) Mcdonalds offered $800.
A judge and jury actually decided the payment amount of over $2 million to teach McDonald's a lesson.
Yea, I watched a clip on that a while back... probably not the best example.
The point was just that filing a lawsuit means absolutely nothing, someone could also file a lawsuit that their government didn't take enough action against COVID if they also felt like wasting money.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Enkidu] 1
#27071461 - 12/04/20 09:23 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Because this is a haox. In my country they accidentally exposed this by releasing the data. It shows that flu and pneumonia kills 20 times more people than covid.
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#27071467 - 12/04/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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manletto said: Because this is a haox. In my country they accidentally exposed this by releasing the data. It shows that flu and pneumonia kills 20 times more people than covid.
Ok, manlet.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Enkidu]
#27071469 - 12/04/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Enkidu said: That doesnt scare or worry you ?
The expected possible risks of this type of vaccine and all the data from the trials so far make me feel a lot safer taking the vaccine than getting the virus when you compare the risks. I'd rather take something that gives me a sore arm and makes me tired for a day than something that can lead to permanent heart/lung damage along with blood clots, increased stroke risk, systemic inflammation etc. in a not insignificant amount of cases. It's going to get us back to life like it used to be a whole lot quicker as well. Not ideal but what is?
As far as the conspiracies, I used to live a couple blocks from one of the big manufacturers. I know people who work there, they're not taking orders from bill gates or the illuminati, they're just biotech bros doing incredible work that'll save likely millions of lives around the world and make their bosses and shareholders a nice chunk of change.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: feevers]
#27071475 - 12/04/20 09:34 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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So you do not believe they may be including things in this vaccine as an opportunity to take advantage of what is going on and perform deeds with "evil" intent and purpose ?
Whatever that may be
Maybe im paranoid...
I don't necessarily believe it is true but i do not believe it is not within the realm of possibility.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Enkidu] 1
#27071485 - 12/04/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Isnt this thing suppose to be changing faster than the flu?
And every year we have a new flu vaccine and we have had flu vaccines for 30 years and we still get hit by the flu.
Or what information am i missing ?
Even if the vaccine works then what?
If they are predicting this thing id seasonal like the flu wont it just change and hit us again next year?
Or sooner?
And why are numbers going down everywhere besides the us ?
Because people arent exercising caution?
Idk, i dont get it.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Enkidu]
#27071492 - 12/04/20 09:47 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Enkidu said: So you do not believe they may be including things in this vaccine as an opportunity to take advantage of what is going on and perform deeds with "evil" intent and purpose ?
Whatever that may be
Maybe im paranoid...
I don't necessarily believe it is true but i do not believe it is not within the realm of possibility.
Nope, there's no incentive for these private and extremely profitable companies to ruin themselves and give up all their money/power by doing so, and the amount of people who'd need to be involved in the process of altering it in a malicious way make it realistically impossible. Everything that goes into the vaccine will be ridiculously analyzed and then later 3rd-party tested.
I explained how the vaccine works earlier in this thread I think, but in short it trains your immune system to attack a key protein piece that's unique to the virus. It's possible that there will need to be different vaccines made for different mutations, but this same protein piece as of right now is likely to be shared or similar enough in mutations if I remember correctly.
And yea, it's always been predicted to spike here in the Fall. Many places have eased up on their restrictions, people are indoors more, kids back in school, family gatherings etc.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Enkidu] 1
#27071495 - 12/04/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Enkidu said: Isnt this thing suppose to be changing faster than the flu?
And every year we have a new flu vaccine and we have had flu vaccines for 30 years and we still get hit by the flu.
Or what information am i missing ?
Even if the vaccine works then what?
If they are predicting this thing id seasonal like the flu wont it just change and hit us again next year?
Or sooner?
And why are numbers going down everywhere besides the us ?
Because people arent exercising caution?
Idk, i dont get it.
No. There is no reason to believe the corona virus will mutate away from immunity. Research has shown that the coronaviruses that cause colds are essentially the same as they were centuries ago.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: feevers]
#27071497 - 12/04/20 09:51 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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And if we already had covid and have antibodies it is still recommended to get the vaccine?
But i thought there was an issue where flu shots (which i never get) were only affective to certain strains and that each year new strains still run rampant.
Or do the flu shots limit the spread of the mutated flu even if it doesnt completely eliminate it?
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Enkidu] 1
#27071524 - 12/04/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes there is always some degree of cross immunity between flu strains.
Natural covid infectikn probably won’t provide the same level of immunity that you would get with the vaccine
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Enkidu]
#27071527 - 12/04/20 10:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Enkidu said: And if we already had covid and have antibodies it is still recommended to get the vaccine?
But i thought there was an issue where flu shots (which i never get) were only affective to certain strains and that each year new strains still run rampant.
Or do the flu shots limit the spread of the mutated flu even if it doesnt completely eliminate it?
I'm not sure if there will be any benefit to getting the vaccine if you already had it, but it wouldn't hurt and as I said I'm guessing most people will find themselves in situations where it's required anyway. They might waive it if you have documented proof of having had the virus and blood tests show you still have immune cells for it... they do the same with chicken pox vaccine now, I think at first though it'll be more all or nothing with the vaccine.
Flu shots are a different type of vaccine and there are different types of flu vaccines. I'm not as familiar with them as I am with the covid vaccine, but typically even if for many strains that are different than the one it was predicted/designed for you can get partially immunity I believe. They're also cumulative, so flu vaccines from past years may still help against future strains.
I only get the flu vaccine because I work with older and medically compromised people who I really don't want to be spreading something to. the jobs/school require it anyway.
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: koods]
#27071534 - 12/04/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said:
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Enkidu said: Isnt this thing suppose to be changing faster than the flu?
And every year we have a new flu vaccine and we have had flu vaccines for 30 years and we still get hit by the flu.
Or what information am i missing ?
Even if the vaccine works then what?
If they are predicting this thing id seasonal like the flu wont it just change and hit us again next year?
Or sooner?
And why are numbers going down everywhere besides the us ?
Because people arent exercising caution?
Idk, i dont get it.
No. There is no reason to believe the corona virus will mutate away from immunity. Research has shown that the coronaviruses that cause colds are essentially the same as they were centuries ago.
Oh it does not mutate? Like the danish minki strain? Or the all different strains displayed here: https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: LeningradCowboy]
#27071546 - 12/04/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I missed a lot of your posts len.
In a nutshell can you state your view and belief in something rather brief that i can take in?
Or even pm me if youre getting beat up to bad on the boards
Im curious about your opinion and view and why you believe what you believe just as much as i am others.
I like to digest both sides of the spectrum
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Enkidu]
#27071563 - 12/04/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is the lawsuit in nutshell and what it is based on:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/zwWgmJKq9UIl/
This is Finnish prime minister openly speaking about H1N1 fraud aka the last "global pandemia":
https://www.sannamarin.net/blogi/2010/08/10/34342/?page2=#.X4f6Fcm51JZ.facebook
"(Published in Debat 3/2010)
Now we finally find out: there was really no swine flu threat. At least not to the extent that the media, politicians and medical professionals warned of the dangers of the threat. But who benefited from maintaining the hysteria fuelled by piglets' suffering and pigtails?
Vaccine manufacturers alone received a wallet of EUR 100 million thicker from Finland for vaccines, the effectiveness of which is poorly evidenced of health quality and status. At European level, the cost of pig vaccination is in the billions. Fear and threat have always been effective marketing methods, and under the pretext of these it is easy to sell a piece of security to the people. When mass hysteria reaches its pain point, there is no longer any place for reason or matter in public debate. Decision-making becomes the oars of appeasing a ungient population. The word "what if" is one of the most effective magic words justifying reckless spending. The curtain drops and the pharmaceutical industry bows to the brainless sheep that can be found in the stands.
Every year, the pharmaceutical industry transports our doctors quite generously to various seminars and training events around the world. For example, dozens of seminar invitations of this kind are accepted annually to the Human Resources Division of the Tampere City Board. This is possible because it benefits both travel publishers and recipients. Pharmaceutical companies get their message through and perhaps a more sympathetic attitude towards their products, i.e. more money in the long run, free training for their doctors, and doctors gain experience, knowledge and a sense of importance from their travels. The situation can also be justified from the point of view of the customer's benefits: even the sick receive thousands of euros worth of more professional help for their ailments. However, the ethics of the action can also be easily questioned. "Bribes" always have their prices and ultimately the bill is paid by consumers in the form of pharmaceutical prices and distorted competition and supply.
The pharmaceutical industry is one of the most influential political reference groups today and operates on the same paper fuel as any capitalist institution – money. While rich Western countries are being incensed with erectile and lifestyle medicines, there is not enough will for developing countries, even from the point of view of historical development, to have the simplest medicines and vaccines. Finland's 100 million pig vaccination money would have made it possible to prevent countless child deaths in developing countries. Another option would have been to put the money into preventive social work, substance abuse and health education in Finland. These, if any, are real "what if" worthy resource items. Perhaps we will still have fairness in the spending of money once the people get behind a multibillion-dollar lobbying machine to anoint decision-makers?"
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: LeningradCowboy]
#27071569 - 12/04/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Damn man...
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