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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 1
    #27069030 - 12/02/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

honestly, vaccines get a hugely negative rep, but they're not nearly as scary as people make them out to be. most of the worst case scenarios you have to worry about is, oh noes, mild headaches, rash at the injection site, fatigue, or other mildly unpleasant symptoms for a day or so...assuming you get anything at all.

here's a kurzgesagt video with cute animated birbs explaining vaccines in a nutshell:

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they have a lot of excellent videos on science stuff in general that they put a lot of research and effort into, usually a new video every few weeks or so now. great stuff if you like entertaining but informational videos. (also they're based in europe - i mean, kurzgesagt IS german for in a nutshell :wink:, so if you're about to scream "DEMOCRATIC BIAS!" - nope, they're from another part of the world entirely.)


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 3
    #27069061 - 12/02/20 09:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You smell money? Smelling something involves having an understanding of what something smells like - i.e. having been near it before. Care to tell me about any other pandemics that have shut down the country, thereby requiring a 'rushed' vaccine? Curious as to how you might be able to 'smell money' when essentially the entire world is somehow conspiring to force all their healthcare workers to get vaccines? I mean this makes no sense... If it as about money, the mysterious they (the word always used for this magical group of people always up to no good) would just open the world up.

Absolutely nothing related to a vaccine could make back anywhere near the money lost by everything shutting down.

Pharmaceutical companies are incentiviced not to lie about anything because they can be sued into oblivion.

Please let the experts make the decisions on the things that require expertise. I am not going to try to tell you what's the best way to get an addict to stop using. You should not be 'smelling money' in conspiracies that involve speculating upon entire countries motives.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: metalfaith] * 1
    #27069122 - 12/02/20 11:02 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You might as well just put Leningrad on ignore, metalhead.

The vaccine is free. The government is paying for it.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: metalfaith]
    #27069214 - 12/03/20 01:09 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Pfizer has long history of lying about the safety and effectivity of their products. Benzos and opioids for one example.
It is the single most sued pharmaceutical company because marketing products to uses/patients where there has been risk involved.

And yes H1N1 is good example of that kind of activity from pharmaceutical companies.

People got hurt with that vaccine if you remember.

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/h1n1_fraud_abuse.htm

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-h1n1-swine-flu-pandemic-manipulating-the-data-to-justify-a-worldwide-public-health-emergency/14901

https://www.sannamarin.net/blogi/2010/08/10/34342/?page2=#.X4f6Fcm51JZ.facebook

This is Finnish prime minister openly speaking about H1N1 fraud:


"(Published in Debat 3/2010)

Now we finally find out: there was really no swine flu threat. At least not to the extent that the media, politicians and medical professionals warned of the dangers of the threat. But who benefited from maintaining the hysteria fuelled by piglets' suffering and pigtails?

Vaccine manufacturers alone received a wallet of EUR 100 million thicker from Finland for vaccines, the effectiveness of which is poorly evidenced of health quality and status. At European level, the cost of pig vaccination is in the billions. Fear and threat have always been effective marketing methods, and under the pretext of these it is easy to sell a piece of security to the people. When mass hysteria reaches its pain point, there is no longer any place for reason or matter in public debate. Decision-making becomes the oars of appeasing a ungient population. The word "what if" is one of the most effective magic words justifying reckless spending. The curtain drops and the pharmaceutical industry bows to the brainless sheep that can be found in the stands.

Every year, the pharmaceutical industry transports our doctors quite generously to various seminars and training events around the world. For example, dozens of seminar invitations of this kind are accepted annually to the Human Resources Division of the Tampere City Board. This is possible because it benefits both travel publishers and recipients. Pharmaceutical companies get their message through and perhaps a more sympathetic attitude towards their products, i.e. more money in the long run, free training for their doctors, and doctors gain experience, knowledge and a sense of importance from their travels. The situation can also be justified from the point of view of the customer's benefits: even the sick receive thousands of euros worth of more professional help for their ailments. However, the ethics of the action can also be easily questioned. "Bribes" always have their prices and ultimately the bill is paid by consumers in the form of pharmaceutical prices and distorted competition and supply.

The pharmaceutical industry is one of the most influential political reference groups today and operates on the same paper fuel as any capitalist institution – money. While rich Western countries are being incensed with erectile and lifestyle medicines, there is not enough will for developing countries, even from the point of view of historical development, to have the simplest medicines and vaccines. Finland's 100 million pig vaccination money would have made it possible to prevent countless child deaths in developing countries. Another option would have been to put the money into preventive social work, substance abuse and health education in Finland. These, if any, are real "what if" worthy resource items. Perhaps we will still have fairness in the spending of money once the people get behind a multibillion-dollar lobbying machine to anoint decision-makers?"





Im not speculating on entire countries motivation, I´m saying that motivation for big pharma is to make money to their owners, that is not conspiracy theory, that is a fact.

And morrowasted you are silly. Every single time you run out of arguments you starting to attack person.
Grow up kiddo.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: morrowasted]
    #27069219 - 12/03/20 01:14 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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morrowasted said:
You might as well just put Leningrad on ignore, metalhead.

The vaccine is free. The government is paying for it.




And where does government get their money?
I´ll tell you: Those are called taxes.
Sometimes government even has to take loan to cover some things.
That is called debt.

The vaccine is not free, it is paid by your tax dollars.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: metalfaith]
    #27069225 - 12/03/20 01:52 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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metalfaith said:
You smell money? Smelling something involves having an understanding of what something smells like - i.e. having been near it before. Care to tell me about any other pandemics that have shut down the country, thereby requiring a 'rushed' vaccine? Curious as to how you might be able to 'smell money' when essentially the entire world is somehow conspiring to force all their healthcare workers to get vaccines? I mean this makes no sense... If it as about money, the mysterious they (the word always used for this magical group of people always up to no good) would just open the world up.

Absolutely nothing related to a vaccine could make back anywhere near the money lost by everything shutting down.

Pharmaceutical companies are incentiviced not to lie about anything because they can be sued into oblivion.

Please let the experts make the decisions on the things that require expertise. I am not going to try to tell you what's the best way to get an addict to stop using. You should not be 'smelling money' in conspiracies that involve speculating upon entire countries motives.




https://www.drugwatch.com/manufacturers/pfizer/

https://www.drugdangers.com/manufacturers/pfizer/

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/pfizer-fined-23-billion-illegal-marketing-off-label/story?id=8477617

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6719141.stm

Couple links to lawsuits considering Pfizer.

So yeah I can say I smell money in how this company runs it things.
They branded aplratzolam aka xanax out as new safe benzo with no addiction potential, took 20 years to phizer submit publicly that some of their opioids are addicting. Drugs marketed to people/illness where there is no promision on that use. The list is long.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #27069358 - 12/03/20 06:28 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You have a weird obsession with Xanax

Wasnt that like 50 years ago?


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 2
    #27069458 - 12/03/20 07:51 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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LeningradCowboy said:

They branded aplratzolam aka xanax out as new safe benzo with no addiction potential,




I'm skeptical of this.  Xanax was approved around 1981, and was immediately placed in Schedule 4 of the Controlled Substances Act.  The abuse potential of benzos was certainly known by then.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 1
    #27069896 - 12/03/20 11:35 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Most of the oxy shit was Purdue Pharma and the human garbage bags that are the Sackler family.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: badchad]
    #27069902 - 12/03/20 11:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yes it was. This is however it was marketed to doctors in Finland to scripe it for anxiety. There was period when they just write it to everybody who said the word anxiety. Hard to get medicine these days.
Same thing with opioids it took 20 years for pfizer to agree that some of it opioids are addictive as hell.

https://www.alternet.org/2016/07/pfizer-ads-warnings-opioids/


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 1
    #27069935 - 12/03/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

metalfaith said:
You smell money? Smelling something involves having an understanding of what something smells like - i.e. having been near it before. Care to tell me about any other pandemics that have shut down the country, thereby requiring a 'rushed' vaccine? Curious as to how you might be able to 'smell money' when essentially the entire world is somehow conspiring to force all their healthcare workers to get vaccines? I mean this makes no sense... If it as about money, the mysterious they (the word always used for this magical group of people always up to no good) would just open the world up.

Absolutely nothing related to a vaccine could make back anywhere near the money lost by everything shutting down.

Pharmaceutical companies are incentiviced not to lie about anything because they can be sued into oblivion.

Please let the experts make the decisions on the things that require expertise. I am not going to try to tell you what's the best way to get an addict to stop using. You should not be 'smelling money' in conspiracies that involve speculating upon entire countries motives.




https://www.drugwatch.com/manufacturers/pfizer/

https://www.drugdangers.com/manufacturers/pfizer/

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/pfizer-fined-23-billion-illegal-marketing-off-label/story?id=8477617

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6719141.stm

Couple links to lawsuits considering Pfizer.

So yeah I can say I smell money in how this company runs it things.
They branded aplratzolam aka xanax out as new safe benzo with no addiction potential, took 20 years to phizer submit publicly that some of their opioids are addicting. Drugs marketed to people/illness where there is no promision on that use. The list is long.




If you think this stuff is bad, remember Bayer, BASF and several other companies spring from IG Farben, supplier of Zyklon B to Nazi Germany.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 2
    #27069937 - 12/03/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, opiates are the devil, as well as benzo's... And now that the fentanyl cat is out of the bag, it's never going back in.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: badchad]
    #27070252 - 12/03/20 03:43 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

LeningradCowboy said:

They branded aplratzolam aka xanax out as new safe benzo with no addiction potential,




I'm skeptical of this.  Xanax was approved around 1981, and was immediately placed in Schedule 4 of the Controlled Substances Act.  The abuse potential of benzos was certainly known by then.




Xanax was approved for anxiety/panic in 81. It was prescribed as a sleeping pill for more than 15 years before that. Any scheduled drug can be dangerous and addictive. Schedule 4 is just relatively less addictive than schedule 3.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27070374 - 12/03/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Another record setting day for cases and deaths 🤦‍♂️


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: koods]
    #27070720 - 12/03/20 08:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Well my job almost got shut down for the third time today but Newsom said that it's okay for us to work.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #27071013 - 12/04/20 12:36 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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badchad said:
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LeningradCowboy said:

They branded aplratzolam aka xanax out as new safe benzo with no addiction potential,




I'm skeptical of this.  Xanax was approved around 1981, and was immediately placed in Schedule 4 of the Controlled Substances Act.  The abuse potential of benzos was certainly known by then.




Xanax was approved for anxiety/panic in 81. It was prescribed as a sleeping pill for more than 15 years before that. Any scheduled drug can be dangerous and addictive. Schedule 4 is just relatively less addictive than schedule 3.



50% of all ptsd  patients can't be treated by anything except benzodiazepines. As much as we like to think psychedelics are the magic bullet, until it's prescribed and covered by non rockstar health insurance the reality is by trying to strangle addiction out of the people who do abuse it then go out and buy alprazolam that's been pressed with fentanyl or God knows what else and die much quicker then they would have if it were prescribed. Then the people that don't abuse it and need it for some semblance of quality of life because it's the only effective treatment option get punished and have their lives ruined and then they turn to street Xanax also. I knew a war vet that robbed a pharmacy when he was faced with not having the correct dosage and type of meds he needed after doing 8 tours in the Middle East, now he's in prison. He went from holding down a  halfway decent life all things considered and having a spotless criminal record to doing hard time in prison.

Why? Because instead of wanting to know the facts and how to effectively fight addiction, it's much more convient to label drug users as expendable garbage that isn't trying hard enough so their going to take medication away from every patient down to a government approved standard that is far lower then clinical use dictates. Which is exactly what happened to me, my mom and Dad and countless other patients suffering in silence like the veteran I knew that truly had his life ruined over this whole business of politicians telling doctors what they learned in medical school doesn't matter anymore even if it kills the patient from not giving them a drug that wouldn't have hurt him or anyone else if administered the way it had been until politics got involved in 2017 with the national opioid emergency.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #27071281 - 12/04/20 06:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Finnish government has been sued about false pandemia. So is all so happening in Belgium and Canada. And in Germany global case is on its way.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: LeningradCowboy] * 1
    #27071303 - 12/04/20 06:56 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Someone sued McDonalds because their coffee was hot.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: feevers]
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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: feevers]
    #27071337 - 12/04/20 07:31 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Someone sued McDonalds because their coffee was hot.




Lmfao :lol:

Think theyll make vaccines mandatory ?

Some people seem to think there are nano chips and stuff in there to track us or something

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