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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Psion]
    #27074307 - 12/05/20 10:11 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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why are you blaming the governor for the idiots of orange county refusing to comply with basic common sense? maybe if they would follow basic mask compliance and social distancing, you wouldn't be shutting down.

up here in upper michigan, we're doing pretty well- not GREAT, but maybe that's because most of us are actually wearing masks and keeping our distance. ;x not surprising there's a bit of a spike after thanksgiving though.

(i'm assuming it's orange county, since that's one of the worst offenders, but it could be one of the other ones. :wink: having lived there a few years, i could well imagine the karens rising up in defiance of mask mandates.)



Oh my God Orange county is filled with fucking Republicans. I lived in Orange county for a few years and I fucking hate everyone there. I hate everyone in LA too but at least people in La have character seeing as most of them are either actors or in the entertainment industry.The only person I like in oc there is my grandma in Newport Beach.

My brother-in-law and sister lives in San Clemente and he is such an Uber Republican. I went to my sisters and brother in laws for Thanksgiving and all of their friends think the pandemic is a scam and none of them understand the importance of masks. I explained that the point of the mask is to protect everyone else from you, and if you want a mask to protect yourself then you need to get a 3M half face respirator mask. He still couldn't fucking get it. He just kept telling me that the virus is "in the air" and that even if you are wearing a mask your breath still exits the mask and it's useless. My sister understood me. Whatever dude ignorance is fucking Bliss. On a positive note at least I'll get to sleep in every day again. And on another positive note at least I found a better job which does not work me like a damn slave and I have a way better work schedule.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27074333 - 12/05/20 10:29 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'm right there with ya man.. or well, I'm out of work too. Have been since march. I work in the entertainment industry- first to close, last to open. Unemployment is a lifesaver, but yea I miss work. I'm starting to doubt that I'll have a job to go back to.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Lynnch]
    #27074340 - 12/05/20 10:41 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I work in personal care. I'm not saying what I do for a living on here but think in terms of gyms, salons, spas etc. I'm also first to close and last open.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
    #27074711 - 12/06/20 07:16 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

During this whole covid thing ive missed about a week of work from covid

Thats it

Theres a lot of places hiring too


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Enkidu]
    #27074903 - 12/06/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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The biggest study found no link. Antivaxxers are morally bankrupt. Stop the bullshit:




Funny that it is spoken in public in many places outside us.

Once again here is finnish prime minister speaking about it in open debate:


https://www.sannamarin.net/blogi/2010/08/10/34342/?page2=#.X4f6Fcm51JZ.facebook

That’s from 10 years ago
"(Published in Debat 3/2010)

Now we finally find out: there was really no swine flu threat. At least not to the extent that the media, politicians and medical professionals warned of the dangers of the threat. But who benefited from maintaining the hysteria fuelled by piglets' suffering and pigtails?

Vaccine manufacturers alone received a wallet of EUR 100 million thicker from Finland for vaccines, the effectiveness of which is poorly evidenced of health quality and status. At European level, the cost of pig vaccination is in the billions. Fear and threat have always been effective marketing methods, and under the pretext of these it is easy to sell a piece of security to the people. When mass hysteria reaches its pain point, there is no longer any place for reason or matter in public debate. Decision-making becomes the oars of appeasing a ungient population. The word "what if" is one of the most effective magic words justifying reckless spending. The curtain drops and the pharmaceutical industry bows to the brainless sheep that can be found in the stands.

Every year, the pharmaceutical industry transports our doctors quite generously to various seminars and training events around the world. For example, dozens of seminar invitations of this kind are accepted annually to the Human Resources Division of the Tampere City Board. This is possible because it benefits both travel publishers and recipients. Pharmaceutical companies get their message through and perhaps a more sympathetic attitude towards their products, i.e. more money in the long run, free training for their doctors, and doctors gain experience, knowledge and a sense of importance from their travels. The situation can also be justified from the point of view of the customer's benefits: even the sick receive thousands of euros worth of more professional help for their ailments. However, the ethics of the action can also be easily questioned. "Bribes" always have their prices and ultimately the bill is paid by consumers in the form of pharmaceutical prices and distorted competition and supply.

The pharmaceutical industry is one of the most influential political reference groups today and operates on the same paper fuel as any capitalist institution – money. While rich Western countries are being incensed with erectile and lifestyle medicines, there is not enough will for developing countries, even from the point of view of historical development, to have the simplest medicines and vaccines. Finland's 100 million pig vaccination money would have made it possible to prevent countless child deaths in developing countries. Another option would have been to put the money into preventive social work, substance abuse and health education in Finland. These, if any, are real "what if" worthy resource items. Perhaps we will still have fairness in the spending of money once the people get behind a multibillion-dollar lobbying machine to anoint decision-makers?"


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #27074997 - 12/06/20 10:35 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Piglets? Why are you complaining about pigs getting vaccinated now?


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: koods]
    #27075021 - 12/06/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'm starting to think that arguing with people like LG, hamhead and crew is a bit like enabling a drug addict.



If everyone would just ignore them, they would have an existential crisis and eventually come around due to feelings of social isolation.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: koods] * 1
    #27075023 - 12/06/20 10:48 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Vaccine companies deserve to get rich. Swine flu killed hundreds of thousands of people.

Posting in this thread is counterproductive. Let's let this trash heap of a thread die.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: searching]
    #27075040 - 12/06/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Swine flu killed hundreds of thousands of people in its first year, its killed millions over the years and is still out there to this very day and is included in the annual flu shot.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #27075043 - 12/06/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm starting to think that arguing with people like LG, hamhead and crew is a bit like enabling a drug addict.



If everyone would just ignore them, they would have an existential crisis and eventually come around due to feelings of social isolation.



I did learn this, I think relatively quickly. True though.

Next it's going to be whatabout HIV and look at this news article from 1995 that says it's deadly but it's not deadly anymore!


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: metalfaith] * 2
    #27075106 - 12/06/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I got a lot of benefit from the willingness to discuss my questions

So i appreciate everyone who was willing to share information and their opinion without attacking me

:hatsoff:


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #27075113 - 12/06/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm starting to think that arguing with people like LG, hamhead and crew is a bit like enabling a drug addict.



If everyone would just ignore them, they would have an existential crisis and eventually come around due to feelings of social isolation.




Grow up kiddo.
You really are on campaign to get me ignored:lol:


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: metalfaith]
    #27075125 - 12/06/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm starting to think that arguing with people like LG, hamhead and crew is a bit like enabling a drug addict.



If everyone would just ignore them, they would have an existential crisis and eventually come around due to feelings of social isolation.



I did learn this, I think relatively quickly. True though.

Next it's going to be whatabout HIV and look at this news article from 1995 that says it's deadly but it's not deadly anymore!




Oh article from ninetys speaking about hiv?
You got it.
This one is from the inventor of PCR tests. He was psychonaut and surfer all so btw.

Here he goes to the subject why PCR test run over 30 times is not valid for telling if somebody has active virus in their system or just couple pieces of protein.

http://stateofthenation.co/?p=30880

If opinions of inventor of said test about how it should be used to detect active viruses are invalid on your opinion I dont know what to say.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: morrowasted] * 2
    #27075144 - 12/06/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You don't argue with idiots to convince them, you do it to convince the audience.

ICUs are filling up around the country. I think we're way past quibbling over testing.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #27075145 - 12/06/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

My mom recently got a test and it was negative.

My test just came back negative as well.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #27075700 - 12/06/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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metalfaith said:
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morrowasted said:
I'm starting to think that arguing with people like LG, hamhead and crew is a bit like enabling a drug addict.



If everyone would just ignore them, they would have an existential crisis and eventually come around due to feelings of social isolation.



I did learn this, I think relatively quickly. True though.

Next it's going to be whatabout HIV and look at this news article from 1995 that says it's deadly but it's not deadly anymore!




Oh article from ninetys speaking about hiv?
You got it.
This one is from the inventor of PCR tests. He was psychonaut and surfer all so btw.

Here he goes to the subject why PCR test run over 30 times is not valid for telling if somebody has active virus in their system or just couple pieces of protein.

http://stateofthenation.co/?p=30880

If opinions of inventor of said test about how it should be used to detect active viruses are invalid on your opinion I dont know what to say.




I don’t think anyone is claiming the test can tell the difference between live virus and viral particles.

PCR duplicates RNA strands. There’s no way to tell if those stands came from a living virus or a dead one. I don’t really understand the point of this argument. We do know that you’re not going to have a significant number of strands of sars-cov2 RNA in your body unless you’re infected or have recently gotten over an infection. It is a perfectly reasonable method to test for viral infections and has been used for dozens of viruses for decades


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: koods]
    #27075737 - 12/06/20 05:17 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Vaccine means cow.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Psion]
    #27075966 - 12/06/20 07:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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why are you blaming the governor for the idiots of orange county refusing to comply with basic common sense? maybe if they would follow basic mask compliance and social distancing, you wouldn't be shutting down.

up here in upper michigan, we're doing pretty well- not GREAT, but maybe that's because most of us are actually wearing masks and keeping our distance. ;x not surprising there's a bit of a spike after thanksgiving though.

(i'm assuming it's orange county, since that's one of the worst offenders, but it could be one of the other ones. :wink: having lived there a few years, i could well imagine the karens rising up in defiance of mask mandates.)



I'd have to agree I'm sorry about your job truly but republicans goveners are forced to do the same thing right now all over the nation wherever health systems are about to collapse that's on people fighting for covid with anti masking and large gathering plus people that don't believe it's real is what really shut us down, we r more purple then people think


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 1
    #27076058 - 12/06/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You're right. Republicans are stupid when it comes to masks.


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Re: Why is the covid kill count not passing the natural background deaths in the usa? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind] * 1
    #27076086 - 12/06/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

i mean, it's definitely not just republicans, and i'm saying this as someone who mostly votes democrat. (granted, i'm independent, leaning left, and democrats definitely are too conservative as a whole for my taste, but alas - what can you do in this damn two party system?)

but yeah, as a whole, the republicans are vastly outnumbering democrats here for the blame on masks. i mean, it's right there in the name - conservative. fear of change is right there in their belief system. oh sure, they'll say they're not afraid of change and they have other perfectly valid reasons for it...but it's obvious by their actions that fear is the heart of why they avoid change. i wouldn't be surprised if many of the democrats failing to comply with mask mandates are the more "conservative" leaning ones as well.

in the end, reality, once again, shows that it has a liberal bias. change comes to all things. it can't be helped - time is a river, an arrow in flight that cannot be halted.

to do so would be to destroy existence itself.


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