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Incognito Aficionado
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This is what it look like...
I am a middle aged married man with young children at home. The wife has expressed great discontent at the presumption that growing mush at home will result in jail time and a loss of custody for both her and I. To remediate these concerns, whilst continuing in my obsessed and passionate alternative lifestyle called mycology (8 years of on and off experience growing cubensis), I am formulating a plan to outsource my interests. One possible avenue would be to rent a “workshop”, for example, an art studio. Another might be to use a friends house. Frankly speaking although, I would essentially need a safe place to set up my flow hood and build a fruiting room without my wife’s knowledge to prevent any legal issues she could inevitably face.
Anyone with a similar story or insight please chime the fuck on in. Thanks peeps
Edit, don’t let my sig offend you
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Your wife is quite right of course, it's bit of a risk to take. Kids need their daddy at home, not in prison for growing drugs!
Growing shrooms in another place adds extra risks though. You don't want to be driving around with quantities of shrooms or grain jars in your car, and your wife might wonder where you are when you nip out to do your hobby stuff several times a week. Lying to your wife is always a bad idea - if she finds out (and she will), how will you feel if she leaves you and takes the kids with her?
Don't do it at a friends house either - thats their freedom you are risking. Unless you have a friend who also genuinely wants to grow and is happy to share space, but its not ideal. If that friend gets caught then you might too...
Now, my husband isn't thrilled about shroom growing but our agreement is that he knows as little about it as possible, so if shit goes down he can say he honestly isn't involved. I only grow small amounts, a couple of jars at a time.
If you enjoy mycology as a hobby though, there always edibles and medicinal mushrooms that wont get you arrested or divorced!
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Your sig offends me, nevertheless..
My understanding of the big picture; your partner is your partner.
Consider going about it the ideal way, before else.. Why isn't your partner onboard?
Anyway, hoping the best for you
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Not ideal for this time of year where I live, but small outdoor grows have always been fun and quite productive for me.
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OP, I'm not qualified, but here are my thoughts:
Study the law and understand the consequences. Have a plan B in case you are caught.
And don't keep it secret from your partner, trust is important. If one really wants to do something, one can achieve.
Be responsible.
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If a deal is off the table, sounds like a platform for trouble regardless of technical solution. Deceit is a heavy burden to carry, and our true needs and wants, should be treated with respect by our significant other.
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Adrenochrome said: This is what it look like...
I am a middle aged married man with young children at home. The wife has expressed great discontent at the presumption that growing mush at home will result in jail time and a loss of custody for both her and I. To remediate these concerns, whilst continuing in my obsessed and passionate alternative lifestyle called mycology (8 years of on and off experience growing cubensis), I am formulating a plan to outsource my interests. One possible avenue would be to rent a “workshop”, for example, an art studio. Another might be to use a friends house. Frankly speaking although, I would essentially need a safe place to set up my flow hood and build a fruiting room without my wife’s knowledge to prevent any legal issues she could inevitably face.
Anyone with a similar story or insight please chime the fuck on in. Thanks peeps
Real talk?
Why are you thinking about renting a room to do this? How many shrooms do you realistically need? Realistically? To me it sounds like a wildly outrageous thing/expense to even consider for something that can be accomplished in the space of a single 6x9 inch tray. Why the heck does mycology need a flow hood and "fruiting room" for in this context? What are you trying to accomplish? Sounds to me like you're trying to live balls-out with a setup like some of the major growers here-- but you're married with kids and you have to work within the lifestyle you chose. Some guys get lucky with wives that are cool with all of it-- some aren't. I'm in the latter group like you. I can still enjoy the hobby.
Take it from me-- if she's still hostile to the idea and you force the issue you're just going to fuck yourself and your marriage-- I would never advise anyone to risk defying her explicit wishes. She has 50% of the rights in the relationship-- that's what marriage is. You win her over somehow or you deal with it like a man and re-approach it another time.
You are way better off chipping away at your wife over time explaining and expressing the good that comes from them, and you can drive home that the entire footprint of the project can be made so tiny that it would be nearly impossible to find so that she ultimately approves. That was my approach to a very similar situation and it worked. A SAB used as a regular storage bin until needed, a couple quart jars here and there (all hidden), and little seedling trays I re-purposed as micro-grow boxes. Invisible.
This ain't weed, where the awful stench stinks up everything within a hundred yards-- it can literally be done inside a small bin in the back of a closet, or a closed drawer, completely invisible-- and safely.
Talk her into it as a companion (or as mentioned above a willfully ignorant bystander), but let it happen honestly or it'll end badly. If you sneak, and she finds it, she'll throw it away (as I probably would if you defied my wishes in this way). Then you'd have hell to pay too.
Truth is, you only need a single PF-tek jar to make mushrooms, and they can be fruited in any container large enough to hold the fruits. The 6x9 seedling tray takes a half foot of space. A 9$ LED aquarium light (they even come with 12-on/off timers) can be placed on the lid, and the whole thing can go anywhere.
This is the little plant tray I like to use, these are SAT cubes with just a half pint of grain cased with coir:

Same size tray with Semperviva-- half pint cased grain cased with cactus soil:

I netted a half ounce dry from the cube tray (3 flushes) and have 5g from the semps so far-- it's still flushing. That's 6 or 8 trips right there. It is a blast to grow small-scale-- you don't need a 100qt bin with 6 quarts of spawn to enjoy growing!
Best of luck
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Tattersail said: Your wife is quite right of course, it's bit of a risk to take. Kids need their daddy at home, not in prison for growing drugs!
Growing shrooms in another place adds extra risks though. You don't want to be driving around with quantities of shrooms or grain jars in your car, and your wife might wonder where you are when you nip out to do your hobby stuff several times a week. Lying to your wife is always a bad idea - if she finds out (and she will), how will you feel if she leaves you and takes the kids with her?
Don't do it at a friends house either - thats their freedom you are risking. Unless you have a friend who also genuinely wants to grow and is happy to share space, but its not ideal. If that friend gets caught then you might too...
Now, my husband isn't thrilled about shroom growing but our agreement is that he knows as little about it as possible, so if shit goes down he can say he honestly isn't involved. I only grow small amounts, a couple of jars at a time.
If you enjoy mycology as a hobby though, there always edibles and medicinal mushrooms that wont get you arrested or divorced!
I completely agree, my kiddos deserve consistency from their father.
I have experienced the transportation and paranoia that comes with it. There was a time i can recall having 30 qt jars of spawn in a suitcase that I was lugging around all over the place like a freaking moron.
She has threatened to take the kids and leave if I grow again but she says that about everything including mmj which I can have legally. She is a bit of a control freak.
I had a friend who let me use his flip homes one time but he was always having his kids around so I got sketched out and bailed.
Also, at this point even gourmet is out of the question when discussing my passions with my wife not to mention she has convinced other members of my family not to encourage these behaviours.
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Re: Incognito Aficionado [Re: ch0ppie]
#27064961 - 11/30/20 04:11 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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ch0ppie said: Your sig offends me, nevertheless..
My understanding of the big picture; your partner is your partner.
Consider going about it the ideal way, before else.. Why isn't your partner onboard?
Anyway, hoping the best for you 
My wife suffers from depression bad, and has refused to try them when i have explained the benefits to her so many times. I dont think she will ever go for it unless they were entirely legal
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Pluviophile said: Not ideal for this time of year where I live, but small outdoor grows have always been fun and quite productive for me.
I live in an area where ovoids grow but i havent found any and havent tried an outdoor patch just yet
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Re: Incognito Aficionado [Re: coAsTal]
#27064981 - 11/30/20 04:26 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Real talk?
Why are you thinking about renting a room to do this? How many shrooms do you realistically need? Realistically? To me it sounds like a wildly outrageous thing/expense to even consider for something that can be accomplished in the space of a single 6x9 inch tray. Why the heck does mycology need a flow hood and "fruiting room" for in this context? What are you trying to accomplish? Sounds to me like you're trying to live balls-out with a setup like some of the major growers here-- but you're married with kids and you have to work within the lifestyle you chose. Some guys get lucky with wives that are cool with all of it-- some aren't. I'm in the latter group like you. I can still enjoy the hobby.
Take it from me-- if she's still hostile to the idea and you force the issue you're just going to fuck yourself and your marriage-- I would never advise anyone to risk defying her explicit wishes. She has 50% of the rights in the relationship-- that's what marriage is. You win her over somehow or you deal with it like a man and re-approach it another time.
You are way better off chipping away at your wife over time explaining and expressing the good that comes from them, and you can drive home that the entire footprint of the project can be made so tiny that it would be nearly impossible to find so that she ultimately approves. That was my approach to a very similar situation and it worked. A SAB used as a regular storage bin until needed, a couple quart jars here and there (all hidden), and little seedling trays I re-purposed as micro-grow boxes. Invisible.
This ain't weed, where the awful stench stinks up everything within a hundred yards-- it can literally be done inside a small bin in the back of a closet, or a closed drawer, completely invisible-- and safely.
Talk her into it as a companion (or as mentioned above a willfully ignorant bystander), but let it happen honestly or it'll end badly. If you sneak, and she finds it, she'll throw it away (as I probably would if you defied my wishes in this way). Then you'd have hell to pay too.
Truth is, you only need a single PF-tek jar to make mushrooms, and they can be fruited in any container large enough to hold the fruits. The 6x9 seedling tray takes a half foot of space. A 9$ LED aquarium light (they even come with 12-on/off timers) can be placed on the lid, and the whole thing can go anywhere.
This is the little plant tray I like to use, these are SAT cubes with just a half pint of grain cased with coir:

Same size tray with Semperviva-- half pint cased grain cased with cactus soil:

I netted a half ounce dry from the cube tray (3 flushes) and have 5g from the semps so far-- it's still flushing. That's 6 or 8 trips right there. It is a blast to grow small-scale-- you don't need a 100qt bin with 6 quarts of spawn to enjoy growing!
Best of luck
Despite my seemingly noob status, I have successfully grown cubensis plenty of times over the years. I have invested so much time and effort into learning the ins and outs and have a very good understanding all-things-mycology. I am by no means a RR but I have enough knowledge and experience to isolate strains and cultivate canopy flushes consistently. My sterile technique was mastered using a SAB and scalpel. Ive done countless g2gs but have yet to really get into lc work. I use a 41 qt AA pc. All im trying to say is i think its cute the way you instinctively presume i have no clue what it is I'm after in the world of mycology. Someone once asked me, if you could do one thing everyday for the rest of your life, what would it be, what makes you the happiest? Literally cultivating mushrooms is the best answer I could give them. I have been obsessed with them since 2012. So real talk, never assume you know someone until you get to know them. And thank you for the advice.
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Adrenochrome said: All im trying to say is i think its cute the way you instinctively presume i have no clue what it is I'm after in the world of mycology. Someone once asked me, if you could do one thing everyday for the rest of your life, what would it be, what makes you the happiest? Literally cultivating mushrooms is the best answer I could give them. I have been obsessed with them since 2012. So real talk, never assume you know someone until you get to know them. And thank you for the advice.</font>
I'm not assuming anything about your skill level-- I'm replying to the situation you explained.
If you own a flow hood it's obvious you aren't a "noob" as you put it. I never implied you were. I offered the simple perspective that small scale growing is a viable way to go if you're keeping growing on the DL.
I've been involved in this work for over 15 years as well, but it's not about me gauging your skill level-- the discussion is about how to respect your wife's wishes/restrictions and figuring out how to work within (and modify) the boundaries set by your marriage to someone that isn't currently on board.
I am always 100% supportive of you and everyone else finding ways to grow-- I get what you mean about the joy of growing-- I do it on a regular basis when I can, even when life interrupts for years at a stretch. I want everyone that wishes to grow to be able to do so, but it's ultimately your call on the risk/reward you can pull off in your life situation.
You say you want to rent some workshop space to work on mushrooms because your wife refuses to allow it in your home. I don't think anyone believes that's a great solution-- unless you can spend several hours there a week then you won't get a lot done. But if you can afford a great workspace to grow pounds for something like this and not get arrested for "creating a lab" or distribution then more power to you. And good luck hiding that from your spouse. I can't imagine how it would work. But maybe you can pull it off-- and good for you if you can. 
Sincerely hope you can find a way to make things work--
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Re: Incognito Aficionado [Re: coAsTal]
#27065011 - 11/30/20 04:52 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not assuming anything about your skill level-- I'm replying to the situation you explained.
If you own a flow hood it's obvious you aren't a "noob" as you put it. I never implied you were. I offered the simple perspective that small scale growing is a viable way to go if you're keeping growing on the DL.
I've been involved in this work for over 15 years as well, but it's not about me gauging your skill level-- the discussion is about how to respect your wife's wishes/restrictions and figuring out how to work within (and modify) the boundaries set by your marriage to someone that isn't currently on board.
I am always 100% supportive of you and everyone else finding ways to grow-- I get what you mean about the joy of growing-- I do it on a regular basis when I can, even when life interrupts for years at a stretch. I want everyone that wishes to grow to be able to do so, but it's ultimately your call on the risk/reward you can pull off in your life situation.
You say you want to rent some workshop space to work on mushrooms because your wife refuses to allow it in your home. I don't think anyone believes that's a great solution-- unless you can spend several hours there a week then you won't get a lot done. But if you can afford a great workspace to grow pounds for something like this and not get arrested for "creating a lab" or distribution then more power to you. And good luck hiding that from your spouse. I can't imagine how it would work. But maybe you can pull it off-- and good for you if you can. 
Sincerely hope you can find a way to make things work--

My apologies for misinterpreting your motive. I can tell you are just a kind hearted soul who has been where I am in this regard. Thank you for helping me learn the importance of waiting patiently for the opportunity to present itself again. I just want her to see this the way I do, for the magnitude of mushrooms!!! But until then, at least I can finally get involved more on here and utilize the support system provided in these forums.
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No worries-- I can attest to how hard it is to have a SO that's not with you on that level-- funny that life works this way, that my (our) soul mate is perfect in every way except the psychedelic one 
I'll never be able to share these transcendental experiences with her-- but I have over the years at least gotten to where I can enjoy a couple ongoing projects without any negativity-- and in my case it was the medicinal works coming out of academia and pop culture that shifted her slowly to allow me to safely and privately grow in our home.
Early on I never thought I could make growing work with her and I was bitter and resentful about it, but I'm so glad I kept trying. She's blissfully ignorant about what I do, but so long as I keep it contained and out of sight, we've made it work
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I feel like renting a space would be a terrible idea. Pretty much assume if someone else has access to it, they will eventually find it.
Kinda goes the same for hiding something from your partner...eventually they are going to find out. I'm a rip the bandaid off person. A little discomfort up front of you setting a plan for how you are going to grow with the least risk and standing by what you want vs hiding it and now you have something much bigger to fix when the inevitable happens. Do your research and have an answer for every question she throws at you. If she isn't ready then she isn't ready. You have time.
My partner is amazing about it and we have a solid plan in case something didn't go our way. It helps that I was doing it before we met but I think the biggest relief for her is that we are agreed that if she says no more, then I hang up my hat. I stand by that too.
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Re: Incognito Aficionado [Re: coAsTal]
#27065058 - 11/30/20 05:13 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Grow some stines, anybody asks its just contaminated bird food
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Re: Incognito Aficionado [Re: cronicr]
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I have taken her to see Fantastic Fungi in Imax
I have shown her all the research Johns Hopkins is performing
I have explained to her how even low doses can help to stop internalizing negative externals and how we become more aware of our thoughts which in turn promote healthy "self" dialogue
I have compared the negative side effects (none) to her current anti-depressant (Effexor) which she just recently was prescribed
The hardest part for me is knowing that she will never fully understand until she doses and that I cant in good conscience sneak them in her food  Quote:
pureshrooming said: I feel like renting a space would be a terrible idea. Pretty much assume if someone else has access to it, they will eventually find it.
Kinda goes the same for hiding something from your partner...eventually they are going to find out. I'm a rip the bandaid off person. A little discomfort up front of you setting a plan for how you are going to grow with the least risk and standing by what you want vs hiding it and now you have something much bigger to fix when the inevitable happens. Do your research and have an answer for every question she throws at you. If she isn't ready then she isn't ready. You have time.
My partner is amazing about it and we have a solid plan in case something didn't go our way. It helps that I was doing it before we met but I think the biggest relief for her is that we are agreed that if she says no more, then I hang up my hat. I stand by that too.
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cronicr said: Grow some stines, anybody asks its just contaminated bird food
This one has crossed my mind. I put it on a shelf. Thanks for pulling it down for me
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Re: Incognito Aficionado [Re: cronicr] 1
#27065077 - 11/30/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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I’d buy a shitty van before renting a place I think.
I would say you can knock out a couple years worth of doses in one tub and then switch to growing gourmets but I know it’s just not the same. When I first started lurking here I couldn’t believe when people said they just threw out a few pounds of mushrooms but now I’m getting to that point lol.
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