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Ready for fruiting cond.?
    #27064214 - 11/30/20 09:10 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Spawned about 6 days ago.. what do you guys think? Should I let it colonize more? Also, is there any thing fishy in this picture? I see the less dense spots in the corners that may look a little weird but my instinct tells me that it’s just less dense mycelium and not so rhizo. Any helps is appreciated. Thank you!



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Re: Ready for fruiting cond.? [Re: lefthand98]
    #27064233 - 11/30/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

you are correct, that's just tomentose mycelium. Looks good, I'd just leave it alone. It'll fully colonize in another few days and then start knotting up. What are you planning to do for "fruiting conditions?"

I typically just leave them alone until mushrooms almost reach the lid, then I pop the top so they can push it up, those boxes allow a good amount of FAE even when closed.


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Re: Ready for fruiting cond.? [Re: Ballzagna]
    #27064249 - 11/30/20 09:44 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

My plan for fruiting conditions is to flip the lid off center a little, move it out of my closet and onto a little rack that sits next to my window, mist and fan as needed. Does that sound like a good idea?


^ this is the rack I plan on moving the shoebox too once I’m ready to introduce fruiting conditions.


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Re: Ready for fruiting cond.? [Re: lefthand98]
    #27064254 - 11/30/20 09:52 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

If it's a shoebox, flipping the lid and leaving it off center might dry things out quicker than you'd probably be willing to keep up with by misting.

You can certainly do it, just keep a close eye that things don't dry out on you and leave the lid on normally at night. Be careful you don't matt the surface either...


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Re: Ready for fruiting cond.? [Re: Josex]
    #27064265 - 11/30/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Can you please explain what matting the surface is? Thank you.


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Re: Ready for fruiting cond.? [Re: lefthand98]
    #27064276 - 11/30/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Okay got it. So during the day I could flip the lid to allow more FAE but to avoid the mycelium from drying out before it pins (matting?) I can always put the lid back on right side up to allow less fresh air? Also, from the picture I’ve posted I don’t notice a lot of little beads of water like I’ve been told I should see. Should I be misting a little already?


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Re: Ready for fruiting cond.? [Re: lefthand98]
    #27064286 - 11/30/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Matting begins to occur when the surface is allowed to dry out almost completely before misting again. If this cycle gets repeated too often, the myc on the surface matts, gets compacted and  it's no longer capable of holding beads of moisture so it always looks dry even if you mist it often. If the matting is severe, it can ruin the surface to such an extent that pinning is no longer possible.

Matting is very common among beginners who use subpar fruiting chambers that expose the substrate to too much air and ignorance on how and when to mist.

For that reason I think it would be a good idea to ditch what you were planning on doing until you have a tad more experience and do this instead:

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I typically just leave them alone until mushrooms almost reach the lid, then I pop the top so they can push it up, those boxes allow a good amount of FAE even when closed.




Easy does it. Shoeboxes let in plenty of air even with the lid on, so you don't have to be a slave to your grow by having to mist a lot.


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Re: Ready for fruiting cond.? [Re: Josex]
    #27064298 - 11/30/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I’ve heard people say that they mist, fan until the water is evaporated, and then mist again right after.  What is the reason for this? Would I still have to do this if I keep my lid on during fruiting conditions? Also, should I be seeing water beads on my mycelium during this colonization stage that I am in? I don’t see any and don’t want it to stall due to dryness.
And is it a bad idea to move it to the station I set up next to my window?


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Re: Ready for fruiting cond.? [Re: lefthand98]
    #27064311 - 11/30/20 10:28 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

You don't need to fan, ever. That's what people used to do with cakes but it's outdated info. If the chamber is working and you did everything right, you probably won't even need to mist even once, but you have to mist if it's needed.

Shine the light of your phone on the surface and only mist if there are no beads of moisture to be seen or only a few. When misting, do it from a good distance above and never point the sprayer directly towards the surface. Do it at an angle, so that tiny beads of moisture fall gently on the surface.


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Re: Ready for fruiting cond.? [Re: Josex]
    #27064315 - 11/30/20 10:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

That myc needs air flow, its going aerial. I leave all my tubs in fruiting conditions from spawning.


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Re: Ready for fruiting cond.? [Re: Josex]
    #27064317 - 11/30/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Matting begins to occur when the surface is allowed to dry out almost completely before misting again. If this cycle gets repeated too often, the myc on the surface matts, gets compacted and  it's no longer capable of holding beads of moisture so it always looks dry even if you mist it often. If the matting is severe, it can ruin the surface to such an extent that pinning is no longer possible.

Matting is very common among beginners who use subpar fruiting chambers that expose the substrate to too much air and ignorance on how and when to mist.





can confirm, happened to me on my first set of shoeboxes when I did exactly what you plan to do with flipping the lid and misting.

Ended up with sad dry substrate that I overmisted to try to compensate. The first grow is always exciting and you want to feel like you're doing something but just leave it alone. Only change variables (FAE, light, moisture, etc) if something's not working. Don't try to fix what ain't broke, as they say.

Misting and fanning is a bit of an antiquated technique from the days of SGFC and other older methods. In monotub or minitub setups like this it's usually needed because it was poorly dialed in (drilled holes and polyfil) or live somewhere with extreme humidity conditions (super dry/super wet).


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Re: Ready for fruiting cond.? [Re: Corundum]
    #27064330 - 11/30/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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That myc needs air flow, its going aerial. I leave all my tubs in fruiting conditions from spawning.





That myc looks fine and happy to me, I've seen that type of myc many times and my tubs have plenty airflow. Also this is a shoebox, same rules don't quite apply.


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Re: Ready for fruiting cond.? [Re: Josex]
    #27064333 - 11/30/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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The first grow is always exciting and you want to feel like you're doing something but just leave it alone.




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Re: Ready for fruiting cond.? [Re: Josex]
    #27064337 - 11/30/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

So I don’t need to mist it until I’m ready to introduce fruiting conditions or should the little beads of water always be present during colonization and fruiting? I put my phone light to it and saw little to no beads of water on top. Thank you for bearing with me, guys!


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Re: Ready for fruiting cond.? [Re: lefthand98]
    #27064345 - 11/30/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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So I don’t need to mist it until I’m ready to introduce fruiting conditions or should the little beads of water always be present during colonization and fruiting? I put my phone light to it and saw little to no beads of water on top. Thank you for bearing with me, guys!





Let it finish fully colonizing before anything else. I've noticed sometimes it can take another day or two after full colonization for droplets to appear. If at that point there still aren't any droplets forming, give it a light mist. Sometimes beads will appear during colonization but no worries if they don't as long as the myc doesn't look dry. It'll bruise blue or look a little yellow if it's drying out.

Dismiss the notion of "fruiting conditions" it really isn't that big of a deal with this type of set up, again that's a bit of an antiquated concept. It should be getting enough light where it is but maybe move it up to the shelf once you see pins, keep an eye on the temp if the window gets direct sunlight.


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Re: Ready for fruiting cond.? [Re: Josex]
    #27064348 - 11/30/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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That myc needs air flow, its going aerial. I leave all my tubs in fruiting conditions from spawning.





That myc looks fine and happy to me, I've seen that type of myc many times and my tubs have plenty airflow. Also this is a shoebox, same rules don't quite apply.



I've made dozens and dozens and dozens of shoeboxes. The myc might look good to you but the reason it is sticking straight up in the first pic is lack of air flow


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Re: Ready for fruiting cond.? [Re: Corundum]
    #27064354 - 11/30/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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That myc needs air flow, its going aerial. I leave all my tubs in fruiting conditions from spawning.





That myc looks fine and happy to me, I've seen that type of myc many times and my tubs have plenty airflow. Also this is a shoebox, same rules don't quite apply.



I've made dozens and dozens and dozens of shoeboxes. The myc might look good to you but the reason it is sticking straight up in the first pic is lack of air flow





I'm probably approaching hundreds of shoeboxes made, and it also looks good to me. It's still colonizing; the myc is reaching in all directions through the inside of the sub and out of it. It'll settle.


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    #27064359 - 11/30/20 11:00 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'have had lots of rhizomorphic cultures that always liked to shoot up myc to the air like that and did so with good airflow. :shrug:



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So I don’t need to mist it until I’m ready to introduce fruiting conditions or should the little beads of water always be present during colonization and fruiting? I put my phone light to it and saw little to no beads of water on top. Thank you for bearing with me, guys!





Let it finish fully colonizing before anything else. I've noticed sometimes it can take another day or two after full colonization for droplets to appear. If at that point there still aren't any droplets forming, give it a light mist. Sometimes beads will appear during colonization but no worries if they don't as long as the myc doesn't look dry. It'll bruise blue or look a little yellow if it's drying out.

Dismiss the notion of "fruiting conditions" it really isn't that big of a deal with this type of set up, again that's a bit of an antiquated concept. It should be getting enough light where it is but maybe move it up to the shelf once you see pins, keep an eye on the temp if the window gets direct sunlight.




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