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Is it ok to just take the magic mushrooms out of your freezer and just let them dry naturally without somehow drying them first?
#27063172 - 11/29/20 02:56 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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*Can you please be hurry up guys, cos I at least need to know this by the end of tomorrow? It's urgent!
Hi I want to say that I have stored my dried powdered form mushrooms inside my freezer but now I regret it or may no longer want to do this cos I'm little bit scared that they might now get too frozen and dissolve with water as winter is also close by! ( but hopefully they only just got little bit wet).
But before that, If I want to do this I just want to know is that ok if I just take them out of my freezer and let them just dry naturally inside their ziplock bag, or do I need to somehow dry them out (using I don't know what methodđȘ to dry them manually?!). Cos they are powder as well and I can't use fan to do this? But I also have to say for some reasons they are not even that wet or have some frozen stuff on them like what you would have imagined, strange but I don't know why looks like my freezer wasn't that freezing to make them so so I think they are just got only little bit wet, but not much, that's it! I never thought it can even be possible to store them inside my freezer until I tried, but with my almond powdered first lol
Q1: Can I not just let them dry inside their ziplocked bag naturally or do I need to do this by myself manually using some specific methods or techniques? đ„ cos I'm little bit scared that they might get mold or bacteria starts growing on them as when they are drying especially inside their bag. Is this nneccerly? Also the another reason that I'm little bit not sure about this is because I might no longer even be able to store them anywhere outside my freezer as they got wet again inside my freezer! if u know what I mean?
Q2:If so then how can I do this anyway, as they are powdered as well? (but as I said before they only just got little bit wet, they are not even frozen or have any frozen stuff on them đ). Do you have any ideas?
I also want to know at what room temperatures is it ok to store my magic mushrooms in terms of C or F?
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Re: Is it ok to just take the magic mushrooms out of your freezer and just let them dry naturally without somehow drying them... *DELETED* [Re: zero2infinite]
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Re: Is it ok to just take the magic mushrooms out of your freezer and just let them dry naturally without somehow drying them... [Re: zero2infinite]
#27063233 - 11/29/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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How long have they been in the freezer?
The mushroom powder might have got damp if it was stored in just one plastic bag. You'd need that bag inside another bag at least. If they weren't cracker dry before being ground up and stored, that could also be the issue.
You should let the bag come up to room temperature before opening it. I think I would empty the powder out on to a plate or tray, spread it out and leave near a heat source like a radiator or warm area (yes avoid fans or it might get blown away). Alternatively, maybe make a concentrated shroom tea and then freeze that?
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Re: Is it ok to just take the magic mushrooms out of your freezer and just let them dry naturally without somehow drying them... [Re: Tattersail]
#27063242 - 11/29/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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And I think you're right that if its damp and doesnt quickly get perfectly dry, it won't store well at room temp. You'd have to get it properly dry and maybe store in an airtight jar with one of those sachets that absorb moisture.
You can also make chocolates or gummy bears and store those in the fridge, but I don't know how long they keep before potency is affected.
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Re: Is it ok to just take the magic mushrooms out of your freezer and just let them dry naturally without somehow drying them... [Re: Tattersail]
#27063926 - 11/30/20 03:03 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hi, yes they were cracker dry, but I just want to know is it neccessarly for me to dry them again manually by myself or if I just let them dry naturally even inside their bad would be enough?
Cos what would be the difference now between storing them in fridge or room temp, cos if they could get mold then they would get inside my freezer as well?
Do I need to dry them again? they were cracker dry before getting wet again!
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Re: Is it ok to just take the magic mushrooms out of your freezer and just let them dry naturally without somehow drying them... [Re: zero2infinite]
#27063945 - 11/30/20 03:45 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've never seen mould grow on food in a freezer, I assume it's much too cold! Whether you keep them at room temp or put them back in the freezer, they should be bone dry beforehand (unless you make tea to freeze) otherwise you're going to have issues regardless of where they are stored.
If they were cracker dry before storage, and are now damp, then there may be an issue with how they were frozen, such as not enough layers of plastic/foil, or the air not entirely expelled from the bag.
What does the mushroom powder feel like? If it's dry, powdery and "free flowing" already then you may not need to dry further. If it is wet or clumps up at all then it's got moisture in there and it will go off quickly and lose potency if it's not dried very well. Further air drying indoors at room temperature may not be sufficient, as the air contains some amount of moisture and so the powder/shrooms won't get totally dry.
Oven drying is not usually recommended, as there are better ways, but if you have no other option then perhaps they could be spread out on a baking tray or cake tin, loosely cover with baking paper or foil (so shroom dust doesn't fly around the inside of your oven) and dried out at the lowest temperature for a few minutes - keep a very close eye obviously so you don't burn it to useless dust!
TBH I have never stored powdered shrooms for any fair length of time so I can't say for sure how you should go about it. I have made capsules with powder but consumed them a few weeks later.
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Re: Is it ok to just take the magic mushrooms out of your freezer and just let them dry naturally without somehow drying them... [Re: Tattersail]
#27063976 - 11/30/20 04:43 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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If they went into the freezer cracker dry. They'll come out cracker dry. Unless you did something stupid
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Re: Is it ok to just take the magic mushrooms out of your freezer and just let them dry naturally without somehow drying them... [Re: Tattersail]
#27064273 - 11/30/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I just wanted to know is it necessary for me to dry them again manually by myself or if I just let them dry naturally even inside their ziplocked bag without opening them just for now before they are fully dried again would be enough? (Are they going to get mold no matter how?)
Cos what would be the difference in here if they were still inside my freezer, between storing them in the fridge or at room temp from now which in those places it's even less likely for them to get mold (especially if I store them at room temp while they are drying themselves at first), or is it different from now? (Do u know what I'm trying to say?)
ohhh I also have two technical questions in here, the first one is that is it better if I open their zip and let them dry inside another dry container (that's not wet like their bags) and let them dry or actually the opposite of that, which means I should never open their zip or again especially just for now as moisture might get inside them or that they absorb moisture, and they get mold this way instead actually!? But if I just also leave them inside their bag without ever opening them they might also get mold by just doing that or I might no longer be able to store them anywhere else from now such as at room temp or fridge from now as they got wet again and no longer considered cracker dried? lol what do you think?
Also do you recommend me to store them inside my fridge or at room temperature while they are drying themselves or the opposite? (but what if they go rotten as they got wet and no longer fully dried?) I'm very worried that if I don't properly dry them again they might go bad in many ways.
I might put them on plate and cover them with ciling film and let the fan dry them without them getting blown away this way or put them on oven less than 20 or 30 c cos I have heard from so many experts that it is even ok to dry them using heat that is not hotter than 70 c but I have a little bit of OCD that they might loss some of their potency and hesitate to do this! Do I absolutely need to dry them again, manually by myself, is this needed?
can you please guide me correctly or read all of them properly as I have take them out of my freezer and I need to know what am I suppose to do with them from now ASAP.
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Re: Is it ok to just take the magic mushrooms out of your freezer and just let them dry naturally without somehow drying them... [Re: zero2infinite]
#27064442 - 11/30/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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There is moisture in the air, and even more in your fridge, so you can't just leave them to dry in your room or in your fridge, they'll absorb moisture unless they're in a sealed container, and if they're in a sealed container then they wont get any drier. Plus, your fridge is cold and you need warmth to dry.
If you put cling film over the plate, how is a fan going to dry them? Do you have a dehydrator you could use instead?
That's assuming they are currently damp of course, maybe they are not. You'll need to find that out first. Once the bag is at room temp, you can open it and feel the powder, or just give the bag a shake, and go from there. So long as it's perfectly dry you can keep it either in the fridge or at room temp, in an airtight container, preferably with silica sachet or the likes. I wouldn't refreeze if they have been previously frozen.
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Re: Is it ok to just take the magic mushrooms out of your freezer and just let them dry naturally without somehow drying them... [Re: Tattersail]
#27064624 - 11/30/20 01:09 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok but is it also needed for me to dry them anyway, cos I haven't opened their zip so that any further air to get inside them?
I can't dry them today or now and the best possible time for me would be tomorrow! so shall I store them in my fridge or in my drawer just for today till tomorrow?
I have also put some Epsom salt inside their container box but not inside their bag! so what shall I do now especially for today?
Again but do I need or have to somehow dry them again? (cos they were cracker dry before I stored them inside my freezer & if they were still in my freezer they would still be wet anyway! so what is the difference in here now? thx
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Re: Is it ok to just take the magic mushrooms out of your freezer and just let them dry naturally without somehow drying them... [Re: zero2infinite]
#27064716 - 11/30/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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If they are dry already, then they don't need to be dried again. I apologise if I've misunderstood you! I thought you suspected they might have gotten wet in the freezer, but if you've no reason to believe that is the case then it's probably fine. Without seeing what is going on it's hard to say what you should do.
If you check the contents of the bag and you feel they need dried more, keep in the fridge overnight and dry them tomorrow.
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Re: Is it ok to just take the magic mushrooms out of your freezer and just let them dry naturally without somehow drying them... [Re: Tattersail]
#27064733 - 11/30/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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i vacuum seal mine and throw them in the freezer. just in the bag itself, not in a mason jar or anything. when i pull them out and open it, they are still cracker dry
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Re: Is it ok to just take the magic mushrooms out of your freezer and just let them dry naturally without somehow drying them... [Re: Tattersail]
#27064744 - 11/30/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Of course, I mean before I put them inside my freezer they were cracker dry and of course when you put something inside your freezer is going to get wet no matter how Q1: & if they were still in my freezer they would still be wet anyway! so what is the difference in here now? Is it still the same scenario as before, so that I can just leave them like that for today at least lol
I can't dry them today or now as I said just before and the best possible time for me would be tomorrow if needed! Q2: So shall I store them in my fridge or in my drawer just for today till tomorrow? but do I need or have to somehow dry them again? (cos I pre-dried them first so do u understand my two questions?
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Re: Is it ok to just take the magic mushrooms out of your freezer and just let them dry naturally without somehow drying them... [Re: zero2infinite]
#27064753 - 11/30/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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hard to tell without pictures... use your best judgement. remember, mushrooms are food
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Re: Is it ok to just take the magic mushrooms out of your freezer and just let them dry naturally without somehow drying them... [Re: zero2infinite] 2
#27064788 - 11/30/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I donât think anyone understands anything that has been written in this thread. Not the op or those responding. ; )
The most important question is - are your mushrooms currently wet? If they are even a little bit moist you should dry them out. Since theyâre already powder maybe just dry them with desiccant. Unless thereâs a lot of moisture then you have to get creative. A paper bag inside the dehydrator or something idk. Personally Iâd toss it all if it was wet but maybe itâs your whole stash
I wouldnât store mushrooms in the fridge or freezer unless theyâre in a definite air tight container. And even then I wouldnât store them there just cuz.
Keep them dry and away from sunlight
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Re: Is it ok to just take the magic mushrooms out of your freezer and just let them dry naturally without somehow drying them... [Re: Roger Clemency]
#27064825 - 11/30/20 02:54 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't see any signs of moisture in them, but they are wet as I have just take them out of my freezer and I'm now a little bit scared that I might no longer be able to store them somewhere else other than my freezer! lol
And my questions were if you have not already read them!
Q1: & if they were still in my freezer they would still be wet anyway! so what is the difference in here now? Is it still the same scenario as before, so that I can just leave them like that at least for today lol
I can't dry them today or now as I said just before and the best possible time for me would be tomorrow if needed! Q2: So shall I store them in my fridge or in my drawer just for today till tomorrow? but do I need or have to somehow dry them again? (cos I pre-dried them first so do u understand my two questions?
why nobody understands me in here I want to know these two
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Re: Is it ok to just take the magic mushrooms out of your freezer and just let them dry naturally without somehow drying them... [Re: zero2infinite] 1
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Re: Is it ok to just take the magic mushrooms out of your freezer and just let them dry naturally without somehow drying them... [Re: tiptrippy]
#27065717 - 12/01/20 02:40 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why do you think they are wet though? They might not be, and nobody on the internet can check that for you. I'm just going by food hygiene rules, which say that if you thaw frozen food, it should not go back in the freezer because it will have a higher bacteria level and be more prone to going off and causing food poisoning etc.
Now, if the shrooms were cracker dry when they went in the freezer, and well wrapped with air expelled, or else vacuum sealed, then that's probably not much of a problem and they are most likely still dry - where would the moisture be coming from if you have packaged them correctly?
Some extra information would help, like how long were they frozen? - Like, if it's been a year, I wouldn't refreeze. If it's been a few weeks or less, then I probably would just refreeze. You haven't explained why you believe there is moisture in the bag, or posted a picture, yes stuff can get wet in the freezer but really only if it was badly packaged or already contained any water before freezing.
How were they dried? If by dehydrator, again, probably not an issue because they would likely have been cracker dry. I say this only because some people when starting out, maybe don't dehyrdrate properly, like they do it just on the radiator or with desiccant, or don't leave them in the dehydrator long enough etc. That'll cause problems for sure, but in the absence of further information I will assume you did use a dehydrator and did dry sufficiently. In which case there was no need to take them out of the freezer in the first place.
How long have they been out of the freezer (have you even taken them out of the freezer or were you just worried about them in there long-term?)
You said you were worried they would dissolve with water in your freezer, but assuming your freezer is normal and well below freezing point, there's no water in there, just ice. I don't think food dissolves in ice, which is kind of the point of a freezer.
The thing I'd be concerned about is that if they were frozen for a long time and have now thawed, there's a chance the cell walls could have burst and then the powder will not keep well at all. Like what happens if you freeze fresh strawberries or fresh mushrooms - they'll just turn to unattractive mush when thawed. However this is probably only an issue with fresh produce because there is water in the cells before freezing, but if you have dried the shrooms until there's no water left then I don't see why it would go bad.
I think it's one of those things that maybe you have to use your intuition or common sense. If they were my shrooms and definitely dry, I'd probably throw them back in the freezer, it's not like you get salmonella from mushrooms. If I had concerns that they had gotten damp, I would check the powder and if they were damp, I would make shroom tea and freeze that.
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Re: Is it ok to just take the magic mushrooms out of your freezer and just let them dry naturally without somehow drying them... [Re: Tattersail]
#27065748 - 12/01/20 04:06 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Tattersail said: Why do you think they are wet though? They might not be, and nobody on the internet can check that for you. I'm just going by food hygiene rules, which say that if you thaw frozen food, it should not go back in the freezer because it will have a higher bacteria level and be more prone to going off and causing food poisoning etc.
Now, if the shrooms were cracker dry when they went in the freezer, and well wrapped with air expelled, or else vacuum sealed, then that's probably not much of a problem and they are most likely still dry - where would the moisture be coming from if you have packaged them correctly?
Some extra information would help, like how long were they frozen? - Like, if it's been a year, I wouldn't refreeze. If it's been a few weeks or less, then I probably would just refreeze. You haven't explained why you believe there is moisture in the bag, or posted a picture, yes stuff can get wet in the freezer but really only if it was badly packaged or already contained any water before freezing.
How were they dried? If by dehydrator, again, probably not an issue because they would likely have been cracker dry. I say this only because some people when starting out, maybe don't dehyrdrate properly, like they do it just on the radiator or with desiccant, or don't leave them in the dehydrator long enough etc. That'll cause problems for sure, but in the absence of further information I will assume you did use a dehydrator and did dry sufficiently. In which case there was no need to take them out of the freezer in the first place.
How long have they been out of the freezer (have you even taken them out of the freezer or were you just worried about them in there long-term?)
You said you were worried they would dissolve with water in your freezer, but assuming your freezer is normal and well below freezing point, there's no water in there, just ice. I don't think food dissolves in ice, which is kind of the point of a freezer.
The thing I'd be concerned about is that if they were frozen for a long time and have now thawed, there's a chance the cell walls could have burst and then the powder will not keep well at all. Like what happens if you freeze fresh strawberries or fresh mushrooms - they'll just turn to unattractive mush when thawed. However this is probably only an issue with fresh produce because there is water in the cells before freezing, but if you have dried the shrooms until there's no water left then I don't see why it would go bad.
I think it's one of those things that maybe you have to use your intuition or common sense. If they were my shrooms and definitely dry, I'd probably throw them back in the freezer, it's not like you get salmonella from mushrooms. If I had concerns that they had gotten damp, I would check the powder and if they were damp, I would make shroom tea and freeze that.
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Re: Is it ok to just take the magic mushrooms out of your freezer and just let them dry naturally without somehow drying them... [Re: figjam]
#27065869 - 12/01/20 07:17 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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well because they've been in my freezer and anything that you store in your freezer is going to get at least a little bit wet anyway, especially if u take them out!
so what makes you think that they might not be even wet even for a little bit? lol
But do I need to dry them again if I want to store them somewhere else for another couple of months?
but zamnesia said that we do not recommend drying them in the oven and probably using any other heating solutions and I asked them why but still not reply from them. They Also said that you can dry them again by using just desiccant or putting them between two kitchen towels. but would that be sufficient enoguht if I want to store them long term again somewhere else?
Also, is dried Epsom salt a good desiccant as well for doing that? cos I hear from so many people that is not as effective as silica gel!
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