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el gordo
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ganoderma lucidum???
#27062450 - 11/29/20 06:22 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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i found this polypore today growing on wood debris, is it ganoderma lucidum or another ganoderma species???
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Doc9151
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Re: ganoderma lucidum??? [Re: el gordo]
#27062778 - 11/29/20 10:16 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is a Ganoderma but not G. lucidum, Compare to Ganoderma sessile.
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Re: ganoderma lucidum??? [Re: Doc9151]
#27062816 - 11/29/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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hey! thanks for the guidance! ive found it near barcelona in spain, if it helps comparing to g sessile as u recomended leaded me to this text:
"lucidum was the old scientific name for reishi. When the group was split, the G. lucidum name was retained by the European species. The Asian species, reishi proper, is now G. lingzhi, while the two North American species are G. curtisii, and G. sessile."
"sessile does resemble all the other ganodermas to some extent, but the reddish lacquer-like upper surface and the flexible, not woody, texture separate it from most fairly well"
definately not woody, more into flexible texture, acording to this its g sessile, have to check the distribution... because the sentence where divided species geographically doesnt match with the place i found the sample
Edited by el gordo (11/29/20 10:44 AM)
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Re: ganoderma lucidum??? [Re: el gordo]
#27062837 - 11/29/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok, knowing the location helps some, I do see a well developed stipe (stem) I agree this is G. lucidum. The well developed stipe wouldn't really fit with sessile, it can have a pseudo stipe which is what I thought at first glance, but that's not a pseudo stipe.
Edit: all laccate Ganoderma have the same polysaccharides as G. lucidum. Wild fruit are the only ones that should be used for medicine because cultivated specimens lack the medicinal properties or they are in insufficient amounts. All mushroom supplements sold on the market are cultivated and a waste of money, I say this because of research papers I have read on the subject have proven that cultivated specimens are not the same as wild specimens in medicinal properties.
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Edited by Doc9151 (11/29/20 11:04 AM)
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Re: ganoderma lucidum??? [Re: Doc9151]
#27063332 - 11/29/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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thanks for your help! serching for info i found this articles that seems interesting this one blames the difference in compounds could be more strain dependant than indoor/wild specimens
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27044336/
anyways seems like the ganoderma taxonomy is still a bit messy
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0199738
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Re: ganoderma lucidum??? [Re: el gordo]
#27063376 - 11/29/20 04:58 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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found this description from MrCloudy
"Ganodera tsugae can be distinguished from American "G.lucidum" most reliably by its context (internal flesh) tsugae will be a very light color sometimes stark white and usually very soft.
Ganodermas in the G.resinaceum group will have tan to brown flesh with a more woody texture and will 95% of the time be lacking a stipe, though grow one ore readily the further south you go. When they grow a stipe they will usually have a wedge shape to them. They will also often but not always bleed a yellow resin when the white growing edge of the mushroom is pricked. I know of no other Ganoderma with this feature, I have not even confirmed if European G.resinaceum does it. But the American variety will.
Ganodermas in the G.curtisii group will look similar to what you have here. They will have stems of varying lengths, have a round to kidney shaped cap. Ganodermas in the curtisii group have lighter color denser flesh than that in the resinaceum or tsugae groups, and it will be transversed by brown resinous streaks. Except for in the case of G.ravenelii which lacks the streaks. Ganoderma curtisii starts out yellow, sometimes staying yellow, sometimes aging with a deep red color with a purple hue. Often times more dull than shiny.
Ganoderma mereditiae will appear similar to G.curtisii in morphology but will be found growing on pine. Ganoderma tsugae rarely grows on pine and prefers hemlock, it will also occasionally grow on birch and very rarely maple. Ganoderma resinaceum sensu North America will grow primarly on hardwoods, maple most commonly, it has also been found growing from conifer a number of times. This is why a more thorough examination of the fruit body is more important than "it's growing from conifer so it must be tsugae" this thought process is one of the things leading to the confusion in the Genus."
mine are quite soft and white fleshed inside, could be tsugae????
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