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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #27061246 - 11/28/20 08:19 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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How can a dr bill you privately if you go to a hospital that's "public" so to speak?  Do u mean if they do a surgery or something ?  I would think they still have to go through the hospital they work at to get paid that's way beyond me though tbh




Most doctors don’t work for the hospital. They’re more like contractors who have a right to use the hospital facilities to see their patients. Those doctors bill separately for their services. The hospital is charging you for the hospital services and use of the equipment and bed.


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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: trees]
    #27061248 - 11/28/20 08:20 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I've been told by lawyer that the hospital bills you roughly 100x what they expect to get out of you and anyone who pays the full bill without negotiating is crazy




Medical bills are the primary reason people in the US go bankrupt


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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: koods]
    #27061250 - 11/28/20 08:21 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah because even paying 10% of the bill will bankrupt most people here who have less than $2000 in savings


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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: koods]
    #27061251 - 11/28/20 08:21 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

That makes sense.  I did get out of a huge hospital bill that involved an anesthesiologist and about 24 hours of being intubated when I burned my throat while blowing glass.  All of the doctors actually worked with the hospital though when I showed that I make no money.


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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #27061253 - 11/28/20 08:23 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I helped my ex declare bankruptcy because of tons of medical bills but mostly back mortgage.  It's not the worst thing in the world


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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: koods]
    #27061259 - 11/28/20 08:30 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Two people both 6 figure medical debt. Ones a boomer worried crazy pays what they can becomes financially fucked.

Another person my age mid 30s 6 figure medical debt. Pretends like it doesn't exist. Never answers the letters or phone. Lives life like always has.

I'm in the second boat if I get crazy medical bills.
Besides I can make more money doing renovation under the table than I do at work and that's 1,000 a week after tax.


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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: metalfaith]
    #27061262 - 11/28/20 08:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah. I get all those things. And you are right, I am not mad enough or directing enough frustration at the route cause.

Not flexing or anything, but I have been an ICU nurse this whole pandemic, so I am very familiar with hospital capacity and such. You are all right there too.

You are right, appropriate responses could have us in a different world of circumstances.

Alas, care to respond to my numbers? We got worse case scenario here, basically nothing was done right, and we still only got 250k cases. I haven't really been following the research much recently, do you know the incidence of significant side effects? I have not seen many PEs or clots. A handful but nothing crazy. Is my understanding of the previous predictions of millions dead my error? Do you see what I am talking about with no one seeming to be giving up ground?




The federal government definitely dropped the ball but most cities and states, especially higher pop-density ones, still took pretty aggressive measures. It looks like we're seeing surges again because those measures are being rolled back, schools are open again, restaurants, larger gatherings etc. Had it not been for states taking action I don't have any doubt we'd be much closer to a million than to 0 right now.

Im on my phone so can't really pull up articles, just going from memory. I think the original death rate was predicted around 1.3%, so adjust that for the amount of people in the country they expected to get it and the number was in the millions. Once we learned more about asymptomatic carriers and how the number of people who had it were likely never tested, the % became a lot harder to gauge. Even with .63 that still means millions of deaths if we go back to things as normal.

I don't have the links atm but they took xrays from a sample on the diamond princess ship that got infected, and I think it was over 50% even of the asymptomatic carriers had lung scarring. Other studies I think out of china showed the same. There was a similar study with athletes and heart issues. I've been observing and am soon starting rotations in a COVID-specific rehab hospital, blood clots have been extremely common post-infection. The majority of patients are post-icu/vent CI neuropathies and myopathy, but strokes/heart attacks/blood clots are super prevalent. No one is really tracking these statistics though so it's hard to know any numbers.


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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: metalfaith] * 1
    #27061313 - 11/28/20 09:14 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Seriously what is the point of this thread? 265k dead in the US and people are still trying to say its not that bad?



I am nothing like OP here. And I'm really not entirely sure what his goal is, but can we admit it is definitely not as bad as we thought it might have been?




Sure maybe it's not as bad as we thought it would have been but it's still really bad and we should do things like wear masks, social distance, and probably do another lock down period right now. In the area I live in most people think the virus is no big deal and don't want to wear masks so that's mainly the type I'm arguing against.

Even if the death rate is really at 0.6% if half of the US population gets it then there will be over 1 million dead. But really if half of the population does get it within the next year then the hospitals  will be overrun and the death rate will be much higher. I think most hospitals are already nearing capacity right now so we may be having a different conversation a month from now.


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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: searching]
    #27061592 - 11/28/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I am not advocating anything specifically or against anything specifically. Solely said I can understand the frustration that there seems to be no ceded ground despite it being much less worse than we expected.

It sucks we are here because so much damage cannot be undone. The more cases the harder it is to even try to stop the spread.


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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: metalfaith]
    #27061748 - 11/28/20 02:51 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Tell me please how you are like not me?

My point in this is that the actual death rate of 3-4% seems to be invalid.

Media that drummed it is owned by same corporations that own the vaccine business.

Big pharma is not well know for it humane way of treating people for free, but making some serious $$$.

Pfizer that just released the vaccine first is known about lying about their products and safety.
For example they branded alpratzolam aka xanax as safe new benzo with zero addiction potentional.

https://discover.hubpages.com/politics/Pfizer-Chief-Science-Officer-Second-Wave-Based-on-Fake-Data-of-False-Positives-for-New-Cases-Pandemic-is-Over

Former pfizer chief science officer talking about this crisis.


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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #27061764 - 11/28/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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In other news...

“There is absolutely no need for vaccines to extinguish the pandemic. You do not vaccinate people who aren’t at risk from the disease. You also don’t set about planning to vaccinate millions of fit and healthy people with a vaccine that hasn’t been extensively tested on human subjects.” - Michael Yeadon, former vice president and Chief Scientist of Pfizer Pharmaceutical.



this was published by RIGHT WING political publications.
I highly doubt the rationality of it, and question your motivation for repeating it.

not a good thing to repeat.

i.e. FAKE NEWS!

use https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ to verify the alignment of your sources, and consider what ex-vp might mean:  eg. old and cannot think straight - so fired, retired and probable dementia, capitalist manipulator, Trumpist collaborator. etc.

anyway, we should look to epidemiologists for relevant information in this matter, science becomes fairly specialized and a pharmaceutical chemist may be very disconnected from medical epidemiology.




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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #27061821 - 11/28/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Two people both 6 figure medical debt. Ones a boomer worried crazy pays what they can becomes financially fucked.

Another person my age mid 30s 6 figure medical debt. Pretends like it doesn't exist. Never answers the letters or phone. Lives life like always has.

I'm in the second boat if I get crazy medical bills.
Besides I can make more money doing renovation under the table than I do at work and that's 1,000 a week after tax.


yeah I do the ignore thing and my credit is still good enough that I was able to snag a used truck.  I think people greatly overestimate what a medical debt means.  I know it exists but it isn't the same as being delinquent on a car payment or credit card, then they come and take anything that isn't paid off and seize it


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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #27061827 - 11/28/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

they made me pay for my cast in Canada and I never payed the bill and it got sent to collections for a while, but no one has bugged me about it in a minute


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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: gopher]
    #27061830 - 11/28/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Seems like a pretty good system.:wonka:


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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: LeningradCowboy]
    #27061873 - 11/28/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Tell me please how you are like not me?

My point in this is that the actual death rate of 3-4% seems to be invalid.

Media that drummed it is owned by same corporations that own the vaccine business.

Big pharma is not well know for it humane way of treating people for free, but making some serious $$$.

Pfizer that just released the vaccine first is known about lying about their products and safety.
For example they branded alpratzolam aka xanax as safe new benzo with zero addiction potentional.

https://discover.hubpages.com/politics/Pfizer-Chief-Science-Officer-Second-Wave-Based-on-Fake-Data-of-False-Positives-for-New-Cases-Pandemic-is-Over

Former pfizer chief science officer talking about this crisis.




Lol well that article didn’t age well. Surprised you posted it since the guy was clearly wrong.

I don’t think anyone has been saying the mortality rate was 3-4% since February. I already told you guys it’s 1.2% and I’m sticking to it. 99.98% survival rate is obviously wrong since there are jurisdictions that blew through that number in mortality (not case fatality but overall mortality months ago). Nearly 0.4% of the Bronx population has died of covid, for example, so 99.98% is an absurd claim.


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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: koods] * 1
    #27061899 - 11/28/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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For example they branded alpratzolam aka xanax as safe new benzo with zero addiction potentional.




yeah I think they said the same thing about oxycotin when it came out, it was one of the opiates they said that about, and also they act like z-drugs are any better than benzos


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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: gopher]
    #27062359 - 11/29/20 01:51 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

lol at thinking we have hit the worst case scenario already. we haven't even come there yet. we're starting to get there in places, with hospitals approaching capacity, but we haven't hit the worst case yet.

once you see those hospitals overflowing in large portions of america, THATS when you can see the death toll starting to wrack up and your ghoulish desires satisfied. we might even get it as a christmas present, if large portions of america were idiots for thanksgiving - which they likely were. i have little faith america has woken up to reality in the last week or so.

better yet, people will probably still stubbornly gather for christmas and new years before reality finally starts setting in, setting up even more destruction. we're really going to see an utter disaster by mid to late january, i think - especially once the flu season starts warming up.


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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: Psion] * 1
    #27062795 - 11/29/20 10:33 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

America needs to consume mushrooms at a national level. It would erase the majority of evil, even if that means good people stepping up to the plate, instead of allowing all this cage loving pedophile garbage to exist.


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Re: New data about the infection death rate(IDR) of corona. Under 1%(0.63%) globally. [Re: O_Dweeds]
    #27063479 - 11/29/20 05:57 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Set up for the rice grain chip they do already and everyone will be forced to buy and sell under it.  And get the vaccine.  Blah.

New World Oder.  Lol.  Just a joke.:lahey:

What if those silly fucks abused it?  Under the stage name "Banker"?  And when has the government and bankers fucked people over and controlled them, to buy and sell? 





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