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Is this Panaeolus cinctulus? ID please!
    #27061557 - 11/28/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Hello guys, i have found this specie and really need for correct ID please. I doubt this is Panaeolus cinctulus, but I'm not sure about it.

Here is some details and pictures
Habitat:
it was growing on horse dung in grass, after heavy rain in a temperate climate 8°c 22°c

Gills:
light brown

Stem:
7-8 cm long 2-3.5mm thick

Cap:
4cm Diameter, soft

Spore print color:
jet black

Bruising:
dark brown to black.

Pictures:
is this Panaeolus cinctulus?
You may choose only one


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Re: Is this Panaeolus cinctulus? ID please! [Re: pointy]
    #27061857 - 11/28/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It's definitely Panaeolus and probably cinctulus.

How many of these fruits do you have? Or more importantly, how many grams of fruits do you have?


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Re: Is this Panaeolus cinctulus? ID please! [Re: LeafRaker]
    #27061874 - 11/28/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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LeafRaker said:
It's definitely Panaeolus and probably cinctulus.

How many of these fruits do you have? Or more importantly, how many grams of fruits do you have?




I have 4 fruits almost the same size, cap 3-4cm. I didn't weigh them, but I think it was like 30-35grams when was fresh. but why? I plan to do this after drying


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Re: Is this Panaeolus cinctulus? ID please! [Re: pointy]
    #27061876 - 11/28/20 04:30 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Were they growing from horse manure?

And a tip for ID'ing cinctulus is they will have lines down the stem and often twisting down the stem. Just a part of ID'ing not a for sure thing to say its cinctulus because other pan's have that too.


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Re: Is this Panaeolus cinctulus? ID please! [Re: 1kldude]
    #27061887 - 11/28/20 04:40 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Definitely P. cinctulus, textbook example


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Re: Is this Panaeolus cinctulus? ID please! [Re: 1kldude]
    #27061903 - 11/28/20 04:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

1kldude said:
Were they growing from horse manure?

And a tip for ID'ing cinctulus is they will have lines down the stem and often twisting down the stem. Just a part of ID'ing not a for sure thing to say its cinctulus because other pan's have that too.




yes it was growing on horse manure, i'm not sure about the line as I didn't get the full stem, I broken the stem base in the moment I took it

here is a shot for the stems after 3-4 hours


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Re: Is this Panaeolus cinctulus? ID please! [Re: Moria841]
    #27061909 - 11/28/20 04:53 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Moria841 said:
Definitely P. cinctulus, textbook example




i hope so :grin: but, what do you mean by textbook example? :blush:

thanks for helping guys!


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Re: Is this Panaeolus cinctulus? ID please! [Re: pointy]
    #27062055 - 11/28/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Cinctulus are typically quite weak. It can take dozens of fruits to produce noticeable effects. Your fruit are probably a bit stronger for being on horse dung, but I'd look for more in this area.


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Re: Is this Panaeolus cinctulus? ID please! [Re: LeafRaker]
    #27062069 - 11/28/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Panaeolus cinctulus group is what I would call it. Microscopy is needed to identify it more definitively.


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Re: Is this Panaeolus cinctulus? ID please! [Re: LeafRaker]
    #27062072 - 11/28/20 07:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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LeafRaker said:
Cinctulus are typically quite weak. It can take dozens of fruits to produce noticeable effects. Your fruit are probably a bit stronger for being on horse dung, but I'd look for more in this area.




but the dosage here is 8g for Lvl.5! and if its weak how much can be enough?


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Re: Is this Panaeolus cinctulus? ID please! [Re: Doc9151]
    #27062076 - 11/28/20 07:12 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Doc9151 said:
Panaeolus cinctulus group is what I would call it. Microscopy is needed to identify it more definitively.




but I dont have experience with microscoping. I can get one, but what I supposed to do in this situation with no experience? and what I should see under microscopy?

thank you!


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Re: Is this Panaeolus cinctulus? ID please! [Re: pointy]
    #27062119 - 11/28/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Honestly if I were you I'd dry the ones you have an store them, then keep going back looking for more until you have enough to get off. Microdosing really only has benefits when used semi-longterm and nothing.... I mean NOTHING is worse than getting psychedelic blue balls.


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Re: Is this Panaeolus cinctulus? ID please! [Re: pointy]
    #27062297 - 11/28/20 11:43 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

They're not even that weak. People most likely eat mixed collection of cincts and foes that's why they claim that you need 12g to feel any effects.
I would say they are slightly weaker than Psilocybe Cubensis.


Edited by manletto (11/29/20 02:12 AM)


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Re: Is this Panaeolus cinctulus? ID please! [Re: MentalPariah]
    #27062389 - 11/29/20 03:05 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

MentalPariah said:
Honestly if I were you I'd dry the ones you have an store them, then keep going back looking for more until you have enough to get off. Microdosing really only has benefits when used semi-longterm and nothing.... I mean NOTHING is worse than getting psychedelic blue balls.




These are great tips، thanks! I went there today, and found other species in the same place, some of them i think those are Coprinellus micaceus, is this active species?
Is it possible to grow wild P. cinctulus from spore print? Thanks everybody!


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Re: Is this Panaeolus cinctulus? ID please! [Re: manletto]
    #27062396 - 11/29/20 03:16 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

manletto said:
They're not even that weak. People most likely eat mixed collection of cincts and foes that's why they claim that you need 12g to feel any effects.
I would say they are slightly weaker than Psilocybe Cubensis.




Thanks for making this more clear, how much do you think for lvl.3 trip?


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Re: Is this Panaeolus cinctulus? ID please! [Re: MentalPariah]
    #27062452 - 11/29/20 06:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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MentalPariah said:
and nothing.... I mean NOTHING is worse than getting psychedelic blue balls.




This is probably why that isn't an interrogation technique. It would be considered a war crime!


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Re: Is this Panaeolus cinctulus? ID please! [Re: pointy]
    #27062506 - 11/29/20 07:25 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

That's for dry grams and that calculator is just for a rough estimate. I've consumed large quantities of cinctulus and only had mild trips.

It does seem like you have found a good spot, especially given the horse dung. Expect to find more in the future!


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Re: Is this Panaeolus cinctulus? ID please! [Re: manletto]
    #27062756 - 11/29/20 10:04 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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manletto said:
They're not even that weak. People most likely eat mixed collection of cincts and foes that's why they claim that you need 12g to feel any effects.
I would say they are slightly weaker than Psilocybe Cubensis.



You make a good point, it's difficult to separate the look a likes with the naked eye, spore measurements and other microscopic characteristics must be verified to identify to species level and even then it may take DNA to make an exact identification.  There are no known poisonous black spored mushrooms so I would collect the cinctulus look a likes because a few of them are actives.


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Re: Is this Panaeolus cinctulus? ID please! [Re: Doc9151]
    #27065637 - 11/30/20 11:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I think I found more! I guess not all cinctulus but all produce jet black spore prints. what do you think about those guys?



Edited by pointy (12/01/20 12:01 AM)


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Re: Is this Panaeolus cinctulus? ID please! [Re: LeafRaker]
    #27065656 - 12/01/20 12:22 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Also I saved those for later they're still growing and too small to harvest










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